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| CanadianColtsFan | Mar 26 2014, 09:14 AM Post #1 |
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Apparently the Eagles are making him available in trade. He has been one of the best overall OL, and probably the absolute best interior OL in the league for a few years now. Now this is a guy worth going after. Not throwing 10 million a year at Alex Mack. |
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| Xavier Von Voorhees | Mar 26 2014, 09:21 AM Post #2 |
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I saw this too. Grigson certainly has Eagles connections to work with. One question though - I really have not watched him play at all. I realize he was a Pro Bowl player this past year, but that means little to me in this day and age, as many (especially OL) players get these that aren't really deserving. My question is have you seen Mathis play, and is he really that good? Is he good in the Kelly offense, or would he be good in Hamilton's offense? I don't know anything about him except name recognition. Thanks. |
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| CanadianColtsFan | Mar 26 2014, 09:30 AM Post #3 |
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I've watched a lot, but I would hardly call myself a player analyst, like breaking down tape. But PFF, who I put a lot of stock into, has rate him highly consistently. Like, really highly. At least this past season, that entire Eagles OL was exceptional. I would take any of those players with confidence. Edited by CanadianColtsFan, Mar 26 2014, 09:32 AM.
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Mar 26 2014, 09:53 AM Post #4 |
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If anyone would know his true value and ability it would be Grigson, you would think. |
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| errsay | Mar 26 2014, 10:25 AM Post #5 |
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Only negative I can think of is he's 33 years old. He's due to make 5.1M next year, and wants to re-negotiate the deal. I'd offer a third round pick in 2015 and see if they bite. Thing is, what does Mathis want to be paid? |
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| TheDodo | Mar 26 2014, 10:30 AM Post #6 |
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Yikes, if we made a trade I wouldn't give up a whole lot for a 33 year old. Definitely not a draft pick. This team isn't to the point where it is worth giving up picks for someone on the verge of retiring. |
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| errsay | Mar 26 2014, 10:32 AM Post #7 |
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If you could get him for less, than by all means, do it. |
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| TheDodo | Mar 26 2014, 11:04 AM Post #8 |
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If it was possible I would be all for it. I don't think this team is quite ready to be a true contender for a Super Bowl, so I don't like giving up future assets for short term gain. So if you are going to bring in some short term gain it shouldn't be through trading away high picks (round 4 or better) or young players with potential. If anything less won't get you that player you simply should not do it. |
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Mar 26 2014, 11:30 AM Post #9 |
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We've been trading picks like we're a SB contender. I think Grigson is operating that way and I don't have a problem with it. Doubtful you can trade anything other than picks to get him. I'd try to low ball with a six or seven and wouldn't move up more than Round 5 at the most. Not for someone that age. Probably makes more sense to wait it out and see what happens. |
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| errsay | Mar 26 2014, 12:07 PM Post #10 |
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I doubt they move him anyway... |
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| CanadianColtsFan | Mar 26 2014, 03:03 PM Post #11 |
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The Colts are a Superbowl contender. If a 3rd round pick in 2015 gets you the best guard in football, you are a damn right I make that deal any day. |
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| errsay | Mar 26 2014, 03:23 PM Post #12 |
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Funny part is: Fans complain about the lack of O-Line signings, then the poor drafting, then the idea of trading for a proven commodity. But they wanted the team to pay Mack a gazillion bucks. A Center... |
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| DarkHorseColts | Mar 26 2014, 03:23 PM Post #13 |
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Does he fit the scheme? |
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| CanadianColtsFan | Mar 26 2014, 03:30 PM Post #14 |
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The Colts current scheme is 'bad offensive line play'. So he actually doesn't fit the scheme, but maybe he can change it? |
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| TheDodo | Mar 26 2014, 04:02 PM Post #15 |
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In the sense they have an outside chance of winning it, but they still need a lot of improvement everywhere (including, especially, coaching) before I would considering to be serious contenders. |
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| errsay | Mar 26 2014, 04:26 PM Post #16 |
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Fortifying the O-Line from shambles to good, while adding the likes of a rejuvenated Nicks, Arthur Jones and a return to health of key offensive players...could make the Colts a serious threat. Seems like alot to ask, but if that ever occured...the sky is the limit. |
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| Xavier Von Voorhees | Mar 26 2014, 05:19 PM Post #17 |
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I am with CCFan here in that the Colts are close. With (if) Wayne and Allen back healthy, with Nicks signed and Rogers, Fleener and Brazill in the mix - we are suddenly very loaded with weapons. Hopefully Donald Thomas is back at full strength. If so, then signing an above average center should give the OL a significant upgrade, and give Luck a bit more time to sling it. The runblocking did improve last year; Thomas back and a solid center and suddenly this offense can turn the corner. We could then draft the best defensive playmaker (passrushing DE, LB or cover safety/CB) available with our rd 2 and 3 picks, and with a bit of luck, we are in the thick of it. We did make the playoffs last year. I just don't have any idea how good Mathis is. If Grigson doesn't chase him, hopefully we will draft an interior OL with one of our 1st 2 picks. Can't build a monster counting on late rd interior OL. |
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| errsay | Mar 26 2014, 05:39 PM Post #18 |
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F.W.I.W. Mathis graded out as the best O-Lineman in the NFL by Pro Football Focus. Not the best Guard, the best O-Lineman. In all honesty, I've never really 'focused" on his play. What scares me most is his age and resume which demonstrates the fact that he has already played for 3 teams. Drafted by Carolina, moved on to Cincy and on to Philly in 2011. But if he's really all that, landing his services would be very enticing indeed. |
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Mar 26 2014, 06:51 PM Post #19 |
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What is the max age for your average guard (who has a long career)? |
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| advanced32 | Mar 26 2014, 07:36 PM Post #20 |
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Evan is in a football family connected to Bama and was offered a scholly at Alabama more or less because of that. But, he worked very hard and did what he was told and emerged as a starter. His true value as a player wasn't made known until after he was gone. Again, he wasn't thought of highly as a contributer in the NFL. After a few years he was a starter and for the past several years has been known as one of the if not THE #1 guard in the NFL. I'd hate to trade away a high pick because of his age but he might have as many as three good years left. If I knew he'd be in the Colts lineup as a stud for three years I'd go after him and pay him. But I'd understand if they passed....but not if they pass and then don't do anything else. |
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| errsay | Mar 26 2014, 07:51 PM Post #21 |
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I'd offer a #5. Then I'd offer Mathis a 3/20M, with 13M guaranteed. |
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| IronPony1965 | Mar 27 2014, 01:44 AM Post #22 |
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Get him. Please. |
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| advanced32 | Mar 27 2014, 08:57 AM Post #23 |
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They want a three for him. The way we draft....I'd take it. |
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| ColtsFan | Mar 27 2014, 09:50 AM Post #24 |
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Why is anyone shitting on 'the way we draft'? We've only had 2 with the new regime. The first draft we got at LEAST 5 immediate IMPACT starters (Luck, Fleener, Allen, Ballard, and Hilton). Each of those guys would be a welcome addition to 31 other NFL teams. What more could you possibly ask for? Spoiled-ass fan base i tells ya! Edited by ColtsFan, Mar 27 2014, 09:51 AM.
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| AustinColtsFan79 | Mar 27 2014, 11:00 AM Post #25 |
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And in the second draft we got exactly zero impact players and half the guys didn't even last a year on the team. Our drafts are on such extremes of the spectrum that it gives people on either side(we draft terrible/great) evidence to support their claims. In reality, the jury is still out. This year will swing it one way or the other, most likely. Grigs is in a tough spot having traded away some of his picks, including his first, but it's supposed to be a deep draft which helps him. We'll see. Also, I think he hit homeruns in Hilton and Allen, but the jury is still out on Ballard and Fleener(but it is trending towards positive). Fleener is getting better, but still shies from contact and I think Ballard will probably end up being third on the depth chart this year. And I'm not sure I give him any credit on Luck. I don't think he lost much sleep making that decision. |
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| errsay | Mar 27 2014, 12:16 PM Post #26 |
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You'd be surprised how many people preferred Griffin at the time. Reminds me of the PM/Leaf debate. |
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| advanced32 | Mar 27 2014, 03:16 PM Post #27 |
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First, I didn't know we could use "shitting" at all unless we subbed in a couple'o'numbers fer a couple o'letters. Second, when I'm shitting on a draft....I always do it from a historical basis. Giving credit to the Colts for drafting Luck in stead of RG3 stupid. NOBODY would have taken anyone over Luck. I would have tried for a big trade but that is because we needed so many different improvements. Let's look at the facts, we suck at drafting unless its a given. Hilton was a good one but, my problem with him was and still is...he ain't an OLineman. Yes, Allen is a good TE but we drafted another TE 32 picks earlier that isn't near as good as Allen. Drafting Allen wasn't amazing...he had dropped a ton due to his speed at the combine. He was certainly due to be drafted sooner than when he was. But the real problem with that draft was with the shitty way we handled drafting a center. I said a thousand time, on the other board, that we should draft Brian Whatshisname outta Cal. He was an animal in the Senior Bowl and in the practices before. The guy we drafted in the fourth didn't show anything. I wanted the Cal guy in the second or third but Ten ner see got him in the 3rd. Now they have a future HOFer and we are still crossin' our fingers we'll sign a center. Ballard is a decent player but hardy a jewel. Then there's trading a #1 for Richardson. I like Richardson but I wouldn't have drafted him where he was by Cleveland and I wouldn't have traded for a #1 to get him a year later. I don't believe that should be considered anything other than below average...if not shitty. |
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| JediColt | Mar 27 2014, 06:30 PM Post #28 |
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Well we did trade our 2nd round pick for Vontae Davis, and if we had drafted Davis with that #2 pick I think we would all be calling him a homerun. So lets keep that in mind when we evaluate that draft. Running backs and receivers make an impact as rookies, offensive and defensive linemen have a harder hill to climb, so lets not give up on Werner, Holmes and Thornton yet. All 3 could turn into solid starters which makes the draft a pretty good one. |
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Mar 27 2014, 07:40 PM Post #29 |
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I think Werner will prove to be a solid pass rusher. He had a few bright spots last season. |
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| CanadianColtsFan | Mar 27 2014, 10:22 PM Post #30 |
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I agree that the 2013 draft was underwhelming in terms of last year, as they provided basically nothing of value. Werner was always going to be a project though, especially switching to OLB in the 3-4. I would have loved production out of him last year, but I'm not writing him off after 1 year. He showed flashes, if very brief ones. This is a guy with a good motor who was very productive in college. I give him last season to adjust to the speed and strength of the game. Needs to start next season much stronger, for sure. We didn't have a 2nd, I like the Vontae Davis guy though. In the 3rd, Hugh Thornton. He was terrible last year. I didn't see much that says he won't continue to be terrible. I personally think it was a whiff of a pick, but maybe he was a guy who wasn't really ready to start in the NFL last year, and at the very least he got A LOT of reps to digest and try and improve himself for next year. The 4th, Khaled Holmes. I don't think any judgement could possibly be made on that. If you are lucky, or a great drafter, you might get a lot of immediate help out of your 4th round pick. Holmes didn't play, but Grigson has said he doesn't like playing rookie OL. I don't see how this pick can be written off. The 5th. Montorri Hughes. A mystery. I loved the pick at the time, but this is another project who showed nothing. I don't really even know where he fits on this team anymore. He has enormous potential though. Writing off a 5th round pick project is silly after 1 season. Boyett and Williams were duds. And Justice Cunningham was alright for being essentially a UDFA. The team got some use out of him. Obviously, you draft to help your team for this upcoming season. In that sense, 2013 was already a failure. I think Grigson failed in that he took too many potential and project guys, and not enough guys who were ready to help out. A failure for sure. But since he did draft those potential guys, there is no going back, I don't think any can be written off after just 1 year. And as was stated, 2012 was an absolute slam dunk for him. |
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