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| Colts Haven't Retired #88 but they won't let Nicks wear it either | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 18 2014, 11:47 AM (634 Views) | |
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Apr 18 2014, 11:47 AM Post #1 |
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/18/colts-havent-retired-no-88-but-they-wont-let-nicks-wear-it/
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| DarkHorseColts | Apr 18 2014, 06:47 PM Post #2 |
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I hope this is a model they adopt going forward. Don't outright retire a number, but reserve it. If someone comes along and earns it, then honor that player by allowing them to wear it. |
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| TheDodo | Apr 18 2014, 08:20 PM Post #3 |
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No, just retire the damn number. Edited by TheDodo, Apr 18 2014, 08:20 PM.
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Apr 18 2014, 10:47 PM Post #4 |
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The challenge with 88 is you have two guys who could be honored with it. Some teams have done that though. Just retire it under two players. |
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| JediColt | Apr 18 2014, 11:33 PM Post #5 |
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Marvin is a once in a lifetime talent. You retire that number when a player of that stature wears it. Mackey re invented the TE position and also deserved it, but since the team didn't retire it after he retired and Marvin wore it, you can't pretend he didn't. no one else can ever put it on and top what those 2 guys did though. |
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| LACOLTSFAN | Apr 19 2014, 01:21 AM Post #6 |
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Absolutely ridiculous they have not retired Marvin's number. He earned that honor, and then some. |
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| advanced32 | Apr 19 2014, 08:43 AM Post #7 |
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I believe they should un-retire all numbers. I'm a Yankee fan and I believe they should do the same. One day, if the sports continue to go on as they have, both the Colts and the Yankees will run outta numbers. Its a scientific and mathematical fact....unless both team go on a forever sucking trend. If you don't make them all available and continue to retire numbers....maybe they should add a digit....at least to the larger guys. "INTRODUCING THE STARTING LINE UP UP UP.....NUMBER 747, LT JOHNNY MAMMOTH!!" Or maybe toss in some letters. Instead of Mickey Mantles #7, it could be #7b. Retiring numbers is a practice that can't continue. I say change it by unretiring a number every year with a big ceremony that honors that retired player all over again. That way his kids or grandkids get to see their family member...and old fans like me get to relive those glory days at least one more time. Then, every now and again when some new prospect puts on a previously retired jersey that old player will be briefly talked about again. Believe me, I'm old school...but this practice can not go on forever. |
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Apr 19 2014, 10:27 AM Post #8 |
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Or with a number like 88 in the Colts case, a guy has to earn it with a certain number of Pro Bowl appearances, years with the team, or something. But the number and name can still hang from the rafters or outfield wall. |
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| LACOLTSFAN | Apr 19 2014, 10:44 AM Post #9 |
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Get in all these old football players, not tell them what is going to happen, and surprise them during the ceremony. Have them come up to the microphone, one by one, and give their thoughts on un-retiring their number. The complaining would be hilarious. Just make sure you have a censor on hand. Seriously, you can't take the numbers away from these old guys. It would be too hurtful. And it would seem kind of foolish for there to be another #18 on the COLTS. You have to retire some numbers. Maybe slow down on it as you suggest. But not retire Marvin's number? C'mon. Edited by LACOLTSFAN, Apr 19 2014, 10:44 AM.
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| ck_in64 | Apr 19 2014, 11:19 AM Post #10 |
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They should retire it and somehow have it so both players are recognized. Ditto for #18 the day after Peyton retires. On a side note, is it just me or does anyone else really hate seeing all these QB numbers on WRs? I really miss seeing TE/WRs with an 80 something number. |
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Apr 19 2014, 01:34 PM Post #11 |
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I don't even get some of the Baltimore numbers that were retired. I guess I just don't appreciate the history enough. Obviously, the ring of honor is how they prefer to honor guys from this era. |
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| TheDodo | Apr 19 2014, 11:54 PM Post #12 |
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I disagree, the solution isn't to unretire numbers. The solution is just to be extremely picky. Only guys like Peyton and Marvin truly deserve their numbers to be retired. A lot of times teams like to retire numbers of great players for their team or just exceptionally good players for their time. When the honor really should be reserved for the truly all-time great players for the sport. It should be easier to get into the Hall of Fame than have your number retired. I don't see the point of this. If it is something that a player can earn (certainly not because of the Pro Bowl or just playing, that is too cheap) it shouldn't be viewed as something that the player has a choice in. Instead it should be treated more like a title of honor that is given and they must wear. Otherwise it just kind of cheapens it. Edited by TheDodo, Apr 20 2014, 12:02 AM.
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| advanced32 | Apr 20 2014, 11:11 AM Post #13 |
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I hate to point out the obvious point that everyone has not addressed BUT...this practice can not go on forever! Do the math! You can not sustain a practice that has a finite number of options. Make this issue go away and I say every thing is great. Only the biggest of fools would deny that it is already big problem with the Yankees. Want a single digit number with them? Fageetit! Being picky....a solution? WOW! Here is how you'd have to frame that one in a formal announcement: "The standard for retiring a jersey for this team has changed. Here are the new rules: Previously, if you were an all time great player for many years you would have been considered for this honor....now you have to be two degrees better. More on that change when someone figures out the language. We are going to more picky now. Harrison will not qualify because there would be too many numbers in the 80's that would need to be retired if he qualified. If Harrison's number goes then we see Wayne's number would have to go because he almost has the same numbers and he has shown tons more leadership than Harrison ever did and will almost for sure be an even more popular pick for this honor. That would only allow for 6 numbers in the 80s and that would mean that any great player in the future wearing an 80s number would probably have to change numbers or positions in order to qualify. You see....the picky thing is a sliding scale. We will have a different sliding scale for players wearing numbers in the 90s than in the eighties. Freeney and Mathis are almost a sure thing for jersey retirment but the picky sliding scale would be triggered with their entry into this exclusive club. Today, running backs wearing a 30s number need only be pretty great as compared to those wearing a 20s number due to the previously honored numbers 22 and 24. We hope this change will explain some of our future really stupid decisions in the area." |
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| cedjss | Apr 20 2014, 11:14 AM Post #14 |
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Retiring numbers are to honor those players . Marvin earned that But John Mackey was voted the TE on the 50th anniversary of the NFL team What a great player he was In the NFL one day they will have to stop But with 53 players they still have 47 numbers ti retire till it would be a problem |
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| advanced32 | Apr 20 2014, 12:33 PM Post #15 |
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Anybody remember the movie, Magnificent seven? Do you recall Steve McQueen telling the old man, who was sitting on his porch, that he should move into the village so they could protect him? The old man wouldn't budge because evrything was OK...so far. So, McQueen told him a story. Anybody remember that story? All real men has lots of dialogue from this movie memorized. Remember the last the last 4 words of the story? |
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| cedjss | Apr 20 2014, 03:13 PM Post #16 |
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Remember the movie, do not rember the story |
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| TheDodo | Apr 20 2014, 04:57 PM Post #17 |
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I don't really care if it can't go on forever. I do know that by the time I die, there will still be plenty of numbers to choose from. It isn't like these teams retire a new number every year or two, usually teams are lucky to retire single number within a decade. This is like getting your panties all up in a bunch over having limited hard drive space on your computer. I especially don't care if the Yankees have a problem. I am not a Yankees fan, or a baseball fan. They can do whatever the hell they feel they should do. Doesn't mean the Colts shouldn't retire numbers if they see a player worthy of the honor. |
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| advanced32 | Apr 20 2014, 08:56 PM Post #18 |
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You remind me of my friend. He doesn't care as long as it doesn't have an effect on him. We were talking about new energy sources and he asked how much oil is there available in the world. Another person responded with something about there being enough for 50 years or so (They really had no idea) and said that we wouldn't be short of it but our kids and our grandkids would be. He said, "Then what's the problem?" I suppose its comforting being able to ignore all the other crap that's out there. I'd bet you're one of those who aren't too concerned about our growing 17+ trillion dollar deficit. So far so good. BTW, that was the answer to the question I asked. In the movie, McQueen told the old man about a man who jumped or fell off a tall Chicago skyscraper. He said that people on each floor could hear the man saying, over and over, as he fell...."So far, so good!" |
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| coltedge | Apr 21 2014, 08:22 AM Post #19 |
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Why doesn't each team honor their own players just in their own ring of honors. This way it keeps the numbers open and the player is still forever remembered.
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| BlueKoolaid | Apr 21 2014, 10:05 AM Post #20 |
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They could temporarily retire numbers... (Would seem to fit with the times...) Maybe wait 25 years? Or even 50 years? If a player worthy of a retired number retires around the age of 35-40, and you wait 50 years to unretire the jersey, the player will be around 85-90 by the time another players wears that number. I think that would be cool, and would still be quite the honor. More than likely that player will never see that jersey worn again. And if they did live that long, they'd be back in the spotlight for the unretiring ceremony. They could always "unretire" too but not be in any hurry to give the number back out (wait for that right 1st round pick...). You could still have a select few that you NEVER unretire this way, too. The math could work out. Also, I don't completely agree with the "earning" the number thing. If a player earns the number with great play, they're going to do so with a different number. Some players probably wont want to change numbers when they've already had success with their current number. Edited by BlueKoolaid, Apr 21 2014, 10:23 AM.
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| TheDodo | Apr 22 2014, 11:59 AM Post #21 |
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Yes, because not caring much about how teams, I am not a fan of, retire numbers is equivalent to someone not caring about finding new energy sources. They are so on the same level of importance. |
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| Coltny | Apr 22 2014, 01:35 PM Post #22 |
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It appears that Nicks will wear #14. And as far as I'm concerned the #88 should be retired for Harrison AND Mackey. |
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| LACOLTSFAN | Apr 23 2014, 03:21 AM Post #23 |
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Interesting point. If they give a number away-- as they did with Mackey's 88 to Marvin-- can you then go back and retire 88 for Mackey? Also, Mackey was a Baltimore COLT, not an Indy COLT. On the other hand, not only was Mackey an all time great TE, and a Hall of Famer, but he had a big touchdown for the COLTS against the Cowboys to win a Superbowl. John was a President of the Players Union. Also, and this means a lot to me, he developed brain injury- similar to Alzheimer's-- from all the hits he took. Very sad. So he was a well deserving player and person. On balance, I would retire it just for Marvin and find some other way to honor John Mackey, but I really don't know. I can't say someone who would retire for both John and Marvin were wrong. No clear right answer IMHO. Edited by LACOLTSFAN, Apr 23 2014, 03:25 AM.
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| advanced32 | Apr 23 2014, 06:32 PM Post #24 |
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The Colts franchise includes both its time in Baltimore and Indy. If it didn't then Irsay would have made a pitch to the NFL to have the name changed...but that never happened so I don't see why we would differentiate players by where they played. So far Mackey has been ignored by both Rosenbloom and the Irsays. Rosenbloom wasn't a fan of his due to his connection with the NFL Players Union. But, not turning that obvious slight around would reflect poorly on the Irsay family. If the number 88 is retired any time soon and John Mackey, a HOFer and the greatest TE of all time, is left outta the conversation.... it would be a slap to the Mackey family and all his fans. It would be easy include him, why would anyone talk of leaving him out of the discussion. It has happened before. The precedent was established by the Yankees when they retired Yogi's #8 and included Bill Dickey at the same time. I believe the Cubs did the same yesterday by retiring the number 31 for Jenkins and Maddux. So, what's the big deal. BTW, I was a major league fan of Mackeys and I would not like to be slapped! Another BTW, I've said this bofore but not on this board, ....any talk of Mike Ditka being better than John Mackey or even being mentioned in the same sentence with John is a relatively new thing. It started in 1985 with Ditkas Bears team. That's the first time I heard Ditka mentioned as maybe one of the best TEs. Then he goes on TV and gets all the face time and BINGO, the NFL talking heads begin talking about him like he invented the position. If you are over 60 you should have a clear memory that, during their time, John Mackey was THE MAN! Why Colts fans aren't proud of this guy is beyond me....even if you don't remember him. |
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| TheDodo | Apr 23 2014, 07:37 PM Post #25 |
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A Colt is a Colt is a Colt. Doesn't matter if they were playing in Baltimore or Indy. Plus, it would be a nice middle finger to all the ex-Colts fans in Baltimore. |
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| errsay | Apr 23 2014, 08:43 PM Post #26 |
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Mackey was a man among boys, far too often. Alot faster than given credit for too. Body-catcher, but got the job done. |
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| IronPony1965 | Apr 24 2014, 12:58 AM Post #27 |
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im going to retire all of your numbers. |
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| errsay | Apr 24 2014, 12:11 PM Post #28 |
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Am I in trouble again, or is this more hero worship? I prefer the latter... |
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| LACOLTSFAN | Apr 24 2014, 06:58 PM Post #29 |
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Agreed. Football is far more important. A tad ironic that a Dodo would be referencing events after it dies. |
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| CanadianColtsFan | Apr 25 2014, 09:32 PM Post #30 |
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The NFL will be defunct or a drastically different league before they run out of numbers. I do think some times teams are too generous with it though. It should be for HoFers, or truly exceptional cases of non-HoF players. Not just great players. |
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