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Observations on yesterdays game
Topic Started: Sep 22 2014, 06:40 PM (187 Views)
JediColt
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1. I thought it was flat out hilarious that the announcers made such a big deal out of Bortles fake spike TD, like he made some great play or something. Our entire defensive line is just standing there, our corners are playing way off and we're conceding the TD so we can get out of there without any more injuries.

2. Lost amidst all of the big passing plays, our run game looked as good as its ever looked. Both T Rich and Bradshaw ran hard and while the Jags defense isn't a powerhouse, we haven't been a team that can run very well either. Its starting to really improve.

3. Does anyone even remember the play that Hilton got hurt on? I don't remember him going down or limping off, did we just leave him out as a precaution?

4. Why in the world is Fleener ahead of Allen on the depth chart? I know they both scored TDs, but does anyone on this site think Allen would have dropped that wide open TD that Fleener muffed? Allen is better at literally every single aspect of playing TE than Fleener. Faster, better hands, better route runner, better blocker, better at breaking tackles, smarter. Why do we continue to pull him and keep Fleener in when we go 3 wide?

5. Is it just me or do we drop a lot of ints? I know Toler and Davis both had picks, but Toler and Adams both dropped one yesterday, and it just seems like we have good position most of the time but can't hold onto the ball.

6. How in the world did Werner miss that sack against Bortles? He comes in free, Bortles rolls out practically into Werner's arms, he turns around just in time to see Werner and it was almost like Bjoern stopped. I thought he was going to blow Bortles up and he ends up not even touching him.

7. 8 different players caught 3 or more passes yesterday. That can't possibly be something that happens very often in the NFL.

8. I also am not a fan of D'Qwell Jackson. I think he sucks in coverage and will be a liability for us against really good offenses, but I read some people ripping him for yesterdays game. He had 10 tackles, 1 sack and 1 forced fumble. If that doesn't earn an "attaboy" then we're setting the bar too high.

9. Did anyone else find it hilarious when Branch did his overly elaborate sack dance while they're trailing 30 to nothing? Ickey Woods has more right to celebrate his cold cuts than he did when the Colts had scored on every possession and that sack was the first play the Jags D had made all day.
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MrCCCs
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I saw someone ripping Purifoy about that play with the fake spike. I don't think it mattered if he spiked it or not, the defense wasn't playing to stop the touchdown. The game was over.

Bortles will be a good qb, I think. But he didn't do any better than Henne yesterday other than with his legs. They need to play him now, though. I did feel sorry for Henne, who had little to nothing to work with and still got pulled to the delight of fans. Tough situation to be in.
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Sep 22 2014, 06:40 PM
4. Why in the world is Fleener ahead of Allen on the depth chart? I know they both scored TDs, but does anyone on this site think Allen would have dropped that wide open TD that Fleener muffed? Allen is better at literally every single aspect of playing TE than Fleener. Faster, better hands, better route runner, better blocker, better at breaking tackles, smarter. Why do we continue to pull him and keep Fleener in when we go 3 wide?
3 words: Too much Stanford.


This franchise has done a lot to try and make Luck comfortable transitioning to the NFL. I'm not to sure it is for the better of the team or Luck.

I think Doyle has played just as well as Fleener also. Allen and Doyle seem like they would make a good pair of TE's. Both are true TEs, not the oversized WR type of TE like Fleener, Tamme, and Clark (not meant to be a slight against Clark, unlike the former two he was actually a good enough receiver to make up for his blocking).
Edited by TheDodo, Sep 22 2014, 10:58 PM.
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I said last week that Fleener reminded me of Tamme and not in a good way. I always thought fans overrated Tamme because he almost never played. Fleener plays all the time so he's exposed.
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JediColt
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I don't think Tamme was overrated. He was a quality backup TE. Its what he was in Indy, and what he is in Denver. For a guy that almost never plays, he catches a fair number of touchdowns. Maybe if someone thought he was a #1 TE then he'd be overrated, but I don't remember people thinking that he was.

Now Clark was overrated. His hands were just as bad as Fleeners. He would have a drop like Fleeners once a game and never got called out on it.
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Sep 23 2014, 08:57 AM
I don't think Tamme was overrated. He was a quality backup TE. Its what he was in Indy, and what he is in Denver. For a guy that almost never plays, he catches a fair number of touchdowns. Maybe if someone thought he was a #1 TE then he'd be overrated, but I don't remember people thinking that he was.

Now Clark was overrated. His hands were just as bad as Fleeners. He would have a drop like Fleeners once a game and never got called out on it.
And Tamme caught the TD for the Broncos that ended up being the TD that sent the game into OT (which they promptly lost). Looks like Peyton loves having Tamme back in the mix.
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errsay
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There's something to be said for guys that get open and catch the ball. Clark was overrated? Good Lord.
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Sep 23 2014, 08:57 AM


Now Clark was overrated. His hands were just as bad as Fleeners. He would have a drop like Fleeners once a game and never got called out on it.
Yeah Clark would drop a pass every game or two, but Fleener drops more passes and probably on fewer targets.
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errsay
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He also gave defenses matchup nightmares, which made things alot easier for Marvin and Reggie to navigate. Defenses started using Safeties to cover TE's BECAUSE of Dallas.
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Clark regularly got open and was great with his routes. Tamme was not.

Clark - 505 career receptions, over 5,000 receiving yards and 53 TDs. Will be in the Colts ring of honor.

Tamme - 167 career receptions, over 1,000 receiving yards and 10 TDs. Career is almost over and he's only in his seventh season.

Let's stop kidding ourselves. Clark is a Colts legend while Tamme might, at best, crack the top 10 of all-time Indy Colts TEs.
isamuelson
Sep 23 2014, 10:33 AM
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Sep 23 2014, 08:57 AM
I don't think Tamme was overrated. He was a quality backup TE. Its what he was in Indy, and what he is in Denver. For a guy that almost never plays, he catches a fair number of touchdowns. Maybe if someone thought he was a #1 TE then he'd be overrated, but I don't remember people thinking that he was.

Now Clark was overrated. His hands were just as bad as Fleeners. He would have a drop like Fleeners once a game and never got called out on it.
And Tamme caught the TD for the Broncos that ended up being the TD that sent the game into OT (which they promptly lost). Looks like Peyton loves having Tamme back in the mix.
He's had an appearance in three games this year and has three receptions. I think Peyton is content with all of the other options he has.
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JediColt
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Whoa whoa whoa. How did you extrapolate "Clark is overrated" to "Jedi thinks Tamme is better than Clark"?

That's a pretty big leap there. I said Tamme was a good backup TE. I said for a guy who barely plays he catches a lot of touchdowns. You point out he has 3 catches, yeah and 2 TDs.

I think Clark is overrated. You know why? Because there are people out there who think he is a "Colts Legend"
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Didn't say you thought Tamme was better, but maybe close to as good. I think it's a bigger gap, would argue it's Grand Canyon wide.
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Sep 23 2014, 10:42 PM
Because there are people out there who think he is a "Colts Legend"
You don't have to be an all-time great to be a legend. Jim Harbaugh is a Colts legend, and he wasn't anything more than an average QB.
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We have two very good TE's. Fleener is going to play against certain match ups. Coby played well for Indy last year. Our WR Corp got really talented and deep especially if Moncrief emerges. If PEP can keep this offense scoring 24+ points a game Fleener will be a big piece of those plans.
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errsay
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Clark is the #2 TE in Colts history. If it weren't for Mackey's greatness, he'd be the clear #1.
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