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| Donte Moncrief | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 23 2014, 05:46 PM (2,041 Views) | |
| CanadianColtsFan | Sep 23 2014, 05:46 PM Post #1 |
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Time to start getting this kid the ball on a far more consistent basis. Honestly, his height/weight/speed combo is that of a #1 WR. And he has done nothing but impress every time they've put him on the field so far. I think in the long-term Moncrief ends up as the #1 with Hilton being moved all over the field as slot/deep threat. -Hakeem Nicks has not impressed me, other than his ability to get open right off the line for some short passes. Once he ventures out in to the secondary, he gets lost in the mix. -I love Reggie Wayne, but he is nothing more than a chain mover at this point. He has value, but for a WR who only gets you 10 yards at a time, that value has a very limited upside. -TY Hilton can be awesome, but I don't think he will ever be the #1 week in and week out WR on any team. Too inconsistent. He has weeks where he looks like the best WR in the game, but they are few and far between. I would like to see the team take more shots downfield, or feature him the way they did when Wayne was hurt last year. As it stands right now they are doing neither, he seems to be stuck in purgatory. Good player though. |
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| Manitoulin | Sep 23 2014, 06:11 PM Post #2 |
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I agree with you but I have not given up on Hilton yet. Hilton seems to be having trouble staying healthy. He has been inconsistent this year. Moncrief is a keeper in my book with lots of upside. Reggie is still Reggie. He seems slightly slower to me this year but was never a speed burner. I'm just hoping he can play one more year and then retire to our sideline. He could give our young WR's lots of coaching. Nicks has helped this year but I too see not much upside. A great collection of young WR's. |
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| Weatherman | Sep 23 2014, 07:14 PM Post #3 |
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when Luck needs a key catch, Reggie is there. Nicks has also made some drive saving catches. i feel no need to dog either of them. Nicks was only signed as a stop gap anyway. Moncrief and Hilton are the future. Just hope Hilton can stay healthy. |
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Sep 23 2014, 09:52 PM Post #4 |
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No need to rush it. They're already getting him more involved than I thought they would at this point. Four or five touches a game is perfect. Build his confidence and experience. Use your vets. |
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| IronPony1965 | Sep 24 2014, 01:43 AM Post #5 |
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I have zero worry about Hilton and Moncrief was such a beast in limited work sunday. I loved it. |
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| CanadianColtsFan | Sep 24 2014, 02:56 AM Post #6 |
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Re-reading that, I was too harsh on Hilton. He is a great player. He can have a very important role on a Superbowl calibre team. I just don't think he is a #1, line up against the top CB every play guy. He is too hit and miss for that. There is no shame in that though, that doesn't mean he can't be a 1000 yard 8+ TD guy year in and year out. |
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| errsay | Sep 24 2014, 11:42 AM Post #7 |
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Ask Richard Sherman that one... |
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| CanadianColtsFan | Sep 24 2014, 02:35 PM Post #8 |
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Ask Richard Sherman about TY Hilton having one of his 5 good games last year against him? He only scored a TD in two games last year. What about the other 14 games? |
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| AustinColtsFan79 | Sep 24 2014, 04:05 PM Post #9 |
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I love Hilton, but I don't think he's a number 1 type receiver. He's just not built that way. Granted, neither was Harrison and he certainly was a #1, but as much as we like to look at Hilton and think he's a future Marvin, he's not there yet. He may be someday, but the jury is out. Realistically I think he's going to be a strong 1B type receiver and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. He'll have games where he runs wild, but he just doesn't have the consistency yet. He's also got that small frame and I'm afraid he'll battle injuries his whole career. Marvin was always open and he almost never dropped the ball. T.Y still has some work to get to that point. Reggie hasn't been a guy that blows by corners in years. He has 16 catches this year and 11 of them are for first downs. He's a possesion receiver who runs good routes, has great hands, and moves the chains for us. I think he'll be a solid #2 for another 2 or 3 years if his knee holds up. The only real question is who is going to be number 1. Nicks hasn't been dominant, but he's got 2 touchdowns, which is 2 more touchdowns than all of the rest of our receivers combined. They brought him in to help in the red zone. He's doing that so far. Moncrief really has looked fantastic in the little bit of work he's gotten. He's still too raw to tell, but he's got more upside than any receiver we've had in a while, TY included. The real problem we have is that we have too many talented guys that can catch the ball and so who gets it on any given day is going to change. That's a good kind of problem to have. I have zero problem this year with our receiver corp. I still think it's the best it's been in as long as I can remember. |
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Sep 25 2014, 09:30 AM Post #10 |
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I totally agree on Hilton. I like TY, and like him on our team, but if there is ever a day where he is the #1 guy and asked to do #1 things, we are in trouble. |
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| errsay | Sep 25 2014, 11:18 AM Post #11 |
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Then why did Denver specifically game plan against T.Y. and ditto Philly for playing their Safeties in Carmel? |
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| ck_in64 | Sep 25 2014, 11:21 AM Post #12 |
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I see us using Hilton much the way the Giants used Cruz when Nicks was still there. Kind of a guy they could move all around or put at the back of a WR bunch and get it to him in motion. Any kind of play that gives him the ball in space or on the move. Nicks is on a 1yr deal so I fully expect him to move on and Moncrief to take his role or perhaps even Reggie's. He has been fantastic in the short bits I've seen. We need to find more ways to get him involved. |
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Sep 25 2014, 01:12 PM Post #13 |
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I didn't say he doesn't bring anything to the team. I just said that if he is asked to do #1 WR things, I think we are in trouble. #1 guys need to be big play guys and CONSISTENT. I never know if a perfectly thrown ball is going to end up between TY's hands or boink off of them. I mean, he's certainly no DHB, but he's not exactly Calvin Johnson, either. |
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| BlueKoolaid | Sep 25 2014, 01:18 PM Post #14 |
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There is only one Calvin Johnson... T.Y. is a 1a or a 1b. He can be a top end WR, but you want someone else to complement him. Like Austin said. Edited by BlueKoolaid, Sep 25 2014, 01:21 PM.
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| TheDodo | Sep 25 2014, 03:13 PM Post #15 |
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To put some perspective on things. In Marvin's third season (first season I can find where targets were tracked) he caught 48.3% of all passes targeting him. Last season Hilton caught 58.9% of all passes targeting him. For their careers Harrison caught about 62.2% of all targets and Wayne caught about 63%. Randy Moss caught only 56%. Calvin Johnson 55%. I think we may be a bit spoiled from having two WR that can be ranked with the best all-time in terms of hands. Just looking at some of the best WR from the past decade most tend to be in that 55% to 60% range. Being above 60% is more the exception than the rule. Right now Hilton is on par with them. |
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| errsay | Sep 26 2014, 11:38 AM Post #16 |
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Steve Smith is a bit undersized as well, and was always a true #1 W.R. I do however prefer Hilton in the slot, but it appears that position is better suited for Reggie at this stage in time. But they're both very interchangable, so no biggie. My case for T.Y. being a #1 is his explosiveness and home run ability. You have to ignore the size factor and the occasional droppped pass. |
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| BlueKoolaid | Sep 29 2014, 08:28 AM Post #17 |
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Steve Smith has always been a ball of muscle. Hilton is not. He is a big play waiting to happen, though. But a redzone target, like Calvin or Moss? No. One reason why their percentages are probably down. They aint slot guys getting the high percentage passes. They're getting targeted anywhere and everywhere and with any number of people on them. |
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Sep 29 2014, 08:55 AM Post #18 |
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Harrison wasn't a big, physical receiver though, didn't play the slot and it didn't prevent him from being a redzone target - 128 career touchdowns (interesting note - 128 for Marving compared to 81 for Reggie and 70 for Steve Smith). He's taller than TY, but they are about the same weight. I was worried about TY's size holding him back early on. I'm not now. |
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| BlueKoolaid | Sep 29 2014, 11:01 AM Post #19 |
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Manning and Harrison, though... And how many of those TD's were in the redzone? I know they perfected that over the shoulder corner pass, but there's no need to put that pressure/level of perfection on Hilton and Luck when Luck has these big TE's to throw it up to. I'm just saying you want Hilton in space, and that's where he shines. No space in the redzone, so you want someone to complement him there, among other places. I'm more than fine with his size. But in today's NFL, you want a mixture of targets for different scenarios. We've got that mixture. Maybe not the tall/freak WR like mentioned above, though Moncrief does have some size, but our TE's make up for that. It's why Luck can, and does, spread the ball around so much. You want that. Hilton is a part of that mixture. He's the big play threat. But he aint the all in one freak, throw it up 20 times every game, rely fully upon WR, that some of the guys out there are. And I'm happy with that. |
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| AustinColtsFan79 | Sep 29 2014, 11:18 AM Post #20 |
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Mike Wells penned a good article about Reggie after this week. His game this weekend did nothing to disabuse me of my belief that he could very realistically play another 2 or 3 years at a pretty high level. http://espn.go.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/7930/waynes-value-to-the-offense-is-unmeasurable |
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| errsay | Sep 29 2014, 12:09 PM Post #21 |
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Just a matter if his knee holds up. One of my alltime fave Colts. Special player and teammate. |
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| LACOLTSFAN | Oct 5 2014, 05:35 PM Post #22 |
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Did Moncrief even play today??
Edited by LACOLTSFAN, Oct 5 2014, 05:36 PM.
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| TheDodo | Oct 5 2014, 06:13 PM Post #23 |
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No, probably because the Ravens are a better team than the last two we played. They probably view playing him as more of a luxury than a necessity. |
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| IronPony1965 | Oct 5 2014, 07:38 PM Post #24 |
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Agree. Looked like the Colts kept their aces on the field all game. |
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| Weatherman | Oct 5 2014, 07:49 PM Post #25 |
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Moncrief was out there. I think he caught 1 pass but it was called back on a penalty. At least that's what I remember. Just read the play by play and he was noted zero times. my memory must be failing me... Edited by Weatherman, Oct 5 2014, 07:55 PM.
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| Gary1888 | Oct 5 2014, 08:07 PM Post #26 |
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He played some on special teams. |
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| TheDodo | Oct 5 2014, 08:13 PM Post #27 |
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I sometimes get him and Nicks confused until I see their number, so it might have been Nicks. |
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Oct 5 2014, 08:14 PM Post #28 |
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No, I think you're right. I remember that play too. The play by play must not account for plays that are wiped out by a penalty. |
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| Rev. Colt | Oct 5 2014, 09:05 PM Post #29 |
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I don't recall Donte even being on the field except for special teams. The play you are talking about I do not remember. |
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Oct 6 2014, 12:01 PM Post #30 |
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Well now you're going to force me to find the play. I DVRed the game. So I will confirm senility or coherency. :) |
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