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The change at center
Topic Started: Oct 5 2014, 08:37 PM (367 Views)
advanced32
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Anyone know why the change was made? Bad snap...a foul for not snapping it but pretty good other wise. I'll watch later to see....BUT why the flip?
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I heard it was an edict from the front office for some reason.
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MrCCCs
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I was actually happy with Harrison's actual blocking, but one bad snap (in the red zone?), one early snap on 3rd and 1, and one non-snap made it rough for the rookie.

Still, even though the line played well today imo it has still been a strange series of events at center this week.
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IronPony1965
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The no snap by Harrison made me laugh. Dude looked around like no one else should have moved. lol
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cedjss
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Would like to hear why?
Shipley was 3rd rated center according to pro football focus
Also what about Holmes
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JediColt
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Well he had 3 horrible plays that could have cost us the game. No idea why Shipley wasn't in there. I hope we fix that on Thursday.
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What did Harrison bring us instead of Shipley? I must admit to bias in being for a guy like Shipley. I'm not against Harrison but I think he needs to "play his way on". Holmes situation again is one I do not understand. He has not played in two years but it seems to be his job to lose?
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Shipley didn't play his way on though. He arrived and was given the job. Maybe they felt Harrison needed more time to prepare and thought he was ready.
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errsay
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Pags was afraid of some sort of size issues with the Ravens front. I wouldn't mind stealing McPhee away from them too.
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here's my tin foil hat idea.

We have three centers. The staff is happy with any two of them. There's been enough Shipley exposure for teams to have a book on him. Now they're trying to generate some Harrison exposure. The end game being making Holmes the starter and trading one of the others.

It's a wild idea but it does make a certain amount of sense given what we've seen.
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errsay
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Pags simply loves Harrison. He has been effusive in his praise of him since camp, but then came the hand injury.
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ck_in64
Oct 6 2014, 04:00 PM
here's my tin foil hat idea.

We have three centers. The staff is happy with any two of them. There's been enough Shipley exposure for teams to have a book on him. Now they're trying to generate some Harrison exposure. The end game being making Holmes the starter and trading one of the others.

It's a wild idea but it does make a certain amount of sense given what we've seen.
If we released Shipley or Harrison in order to start Holmes my tin foil head might explode. Holmes hasn't even played a full game in the NFL.
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If Harrison or Holmes can't play their way on this team through the guard position, how can they be a better center?
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By that rationale shouldn't the same be said for Shipley? Why can't he start at guard over Louis if he's so great? Center doesn't trump guard. It's not like guard is an easier position to play. Shipley is an average center. That's about all he's proven himself to be so far. Harrison and Holmes are young unknowns that the team really likes.
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Shipley would be tiny for a guard. He looks like he's about 5'9".
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Holmes should be the trade bait, IMO. He's the one we invested a draft pick on. And if he can't play guard, they gotta find some kind of return on that investment. Looking like he's gonna have a hard time getting the starting center job back with all the love for Shipley and Harrison. And we ain't gonna get much if we try and trade either of them...

Or, like what's been mentioned, the Ravens know how to beat Shipley and the coaches knew that (wouldn't be surprised if Shipley told them), so Harrison got the nod. That's probably the most likely scenario. Hard to see us try and trade an O-lineman right now. Especially if they're considered pretty good. We might have 3 starting quality center, but we need the depth with the luck we've had on the OL over the years...
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We wouldn't get anything for Holmes if we tried to trade him. Maybe a sixth or seventh, if we're lucky. Keep him. No one has proven themselves yet.
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"Holmes should be the trade bait, IMO. He's the one we invested a draft pick on. "

I think we spent a 4th on Holmes. There's no way we'd get that much for him. As for return on investment, we've got nothing invested in Shipley or Harrison. Any pick we could get in a trade would be profit. I'm not saying this is a probable or even likely scenario but it does make ya think.
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Oct 7 2014, 11:05 AM
I think we spent a 4th on Holmes. There's no way we'd get that much for him. As for return on investment, we've got nothing invested in Shipley or Harrison. Any pick we could get in a trade would be profit. I'm not saying this is a probable or even likely scenario but it does make ya think.
True. I'm just thinking we profit from Shipley or Harrison with them actually playing and being starters. We don't get anything from Holmes sitting on the bench, again if he can't play guard.

If Shipley or Harrison sits it's a career backup or UDFA on the bench, no big deal. If Holmes sits, it's a wasted 4th round pick on the bench. That's why I'm saying if we could get a 6th for him, it's better than nothing.

Really in no rush to get rid of any of them, though.
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IronPony1965
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What the hell is the deal with Shipley? Two weeks in a row now there have been issues with the snap.

If this is the staff trying to be super smart, they need to stop. This is stupid.
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Everybody is blaming Harrison for the snap. It hit Luck in the chest. If you watch a replay, you'll see the right guard look back at Luck, turn back around to be set in position then tap Harrison on the butt...the signal that Luck is ready...snap the ball. I'm not sure Harrison is the culprit on this one.
Edited by Gary1888, Oct 10 2014, 07:29 AM.
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cedjss
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True on that snap
But Luck looked uncomfortable several s times when he took snap under center
Just wish Pags would say why he made change and what us up with Holmes
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Think it's pretty obvious now that Shipley was never intended to be the starter. He was brought in briefly while the other guys were recovering from injuries and getting up to speed.
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MrCCCs
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After last night, the only weak link on the line looked to be Gosder Cherilus. Did you see Reitz block Watt? He did a pretty good job I would say. Also, snaps aside, Harrison has looked pretty good keeping pressure away from Luck up the middle. After watching McGlynn and Satele get pushed into Luck about every play last year, the pocket he has had to work in has looked pretty good to me this year.

I really liked Thornton's potential last year and thought he'd make a great leap this year going to right guard, but he might go the way of Holmes and lose his starting job after injury. I haven't been as impressed with Louis as some, but he has been better than Thornton imo.
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Moner Hot
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I'm going to lose my mind if we continue to use our tight ends one on one in pass pro.. Our last offensive snap we had Dwayne Allen trying to block Watt.. Guess how that worked out?
Mercilus also got a hit on Luck after going right through Jack Doyle.
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errsay
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Doyle did whiff on that play, but also made some outstanding blocks on quite a few others.
WTF is up w/ Holmes?
Edited by errsay, Oct 10 2014, 01:13 PM.
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Doyle is fine as a blocker, I'm not upset with him in the least. Asking any TE to be on an island in pass pro is just silly. Luck takes enough hits as is.
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Mercilus also nailed one of our backs in the backfield after going completely unblocked. Looked like he was Allen's assignment.
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Reitz was a D-9 on a couple of plays.
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