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Topic Started: Oct 22 2014, 04:04 PM (226 Views)
Rev. Colt
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That is the amount Walden was fined by the league for contacting a ref.

I wonder if he has a target on his back because of ripping off the helmet of Walker and head butting him last year? That suspension was warranted, but this fine is not IMO.
Edited by Rev. Colt, Oct 22 2014, 04:06 PM.
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I still don't really understand what he did. He touched him?
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MrCCCs
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More than Burfict, who tried to injure two players after the play was over. I thought it would be, but still don't understand it when the league says it is all a bout protecting the players.

Walden's fine isn't the issue, to me. Pagano said it was described to him as an 'accident'. If so, I don't understand the fine in addition to the ejection. If the ref felt the contact was directed towards him then I have no problem with the ejection and fine.
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errsay
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It was directed at the ref in all honesty. I kinda like the edge he brings to this defense.
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Gary1888
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He's not happy with the fine. I saw a tweet from Mike Chappell with a copy of the letter he received from the league. In the letter, it instructs him how to file an appeal with a web address, ID # and a pin # for him to file the appeal and also the name and email address of someone in the league office. I'm guessing that may generate a whole bunch of unwanted emails etc. to that individual. I don't think I would've posted that letter with all that info. No benefit in poking the bear that I can see.
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MrCCCs
Oct 22 2014, 04:48 PM
More than Burfict, who tried to injure two players after the play was over. I thought it would be, but still don't understand it when the league says it is all a bout protecting the players.

Walden's fine isn't the issue, to me. Pagano said it was described to him as an 'accident'. If so, I don't understand the fine in addition to the ejection. If the ref felt the contact was directed towards him then I have no problem with the ejection and fine.
I absolutely agree with you. If the ref felt like Eric was being disrespectful or if the ref felt threatened, by all means eject him and fine him. The league needs to protect the refs. But, I do not see this much different as I do when a ref is in the wrong place at the wrong time and gets clobbered! It happens often when a ref is knocked down or ran into. It is inadvertent, so it does not draw a fine. If this was an "accident" as the ref states then no flag should have been thrown and Eric should not have been ejected. In my opinion the ref caused all of this. I am confident if the ref would not have ejected and flagged him, then the league office would not even looked twice at this and moved on to something else.
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JediColt
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This is bull. Walden did nothing. Did Kueckeley get fined as well?
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rccolts
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Oct 22 2014, 09:31 PM
MrCCCs
Oct 22 2014, 04:48 PM
More than Burfict, who tried to injure two players after the play was over. I thought it would be, but still don't understand it when the league says it is all a bout protecting the players.

Walden's fine isn't the issue, to me. Pagano said it was described to him as an 'accident'. If so, I don't understand the fine in addition to the ejection. If the ref felt the contact was directed towards him then I have no problem with the ejection and fine.
I absolutely agree with you. If the ref felt like Eric was being disrespectful or if the ref felt threatened, by all means eject him and fine him. The league needs to protect the refs. But, I do not see this much different as I do when a ref is in the wrong place at the wrong time and gets clobbered! It happens often when a ref is knocked down or ran into. It is inadvertent, so it does not draw a fine. If this was an "accident" as the ref states then no flag should have been thrown and Eric should not have been ejected. In my opinion the ref caused all of this. I am confident if the ref would not have ejected and flagged him, then the league office would not even looked twice at this and moved on to something else.
The link below shows the incident on a continuous loop. Watch closely & you will see that the official has is hand on both players separating them. Walden swats the officials hand off of his shoulder intentionally with his left hand. This is the exact time when the official reaches for his flag. The Official clearly throws the flag in reaction to Walden swatting his hand off of him.

I don't believe there was anything malicious about it but it was intentional. It was a "get your hands off me" kind of reaction from Walden. It deserved the flag & from what I understand the ejection was then automatic with the penalty. The fine seems excessive but it may have been automatic as well, & yes the NFL does take into account a players history when it comes to incidents such as this.

https://vine.co/v/ObnjIX6mOq7/embed


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Rev. Colt
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Ok, thank you for the link. I confess I had to watch probably 10 times to finally see it. It is hard to see because it happens so quickly. I still say the ref throwing the flag had a lot to do with this. Walden did the wrong thing and I see that now.

I also think that Gresham should have been flagged for taunting after the ref threw the flag.
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The idea that a player should be flagged for any level of contact with a ref is what i take exception to. The ref should have some descression. In this case, I don't think it warranted a flag, definitely not an ejection.
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Oct 23 2014, 09:56 AM
Ok, thank you for the link. I confess I had to watch probably 10 times to finally see it. It is hard to see because it happens so quickly. I still say the ref throwing the flag had a lot to do with this. Walden did the wrong thing and I see that now.

I also think that Gresham should have been flagged for taunting after the ref threw the flag.
I agree about Gresham. I saw him instigating contact with Walden after the whistle on several plays prior to this incident, and his reaction to the flag on Walden says all that is needed about what kind of individual he is.
Bent20
Oct 23 2014, 10:00 AM
The idea that a player should be flagged for any level of contact with a ref is what i take exception to. The ref should have some descression. In this case, I don't think it warranted a flag, definitely not an ejection.
Bent,

I agree that the ejection in this case seems excessive but as I said earlier I believe it is automatic with the penalty, but I do believe that the flag was warranted. His action is intentional & the rule is clear that any intentional contact with an official is a penalty. Whether or not any contact such as this should be a penalty is debatable but that is a different argument.
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JediColt
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Its not automatic because the NFL came out and said Kuekley should not have been ejected for his contact with the ref.

Initiating contact with the ref is one thing, but reaching up to your own shoulder and removing a hand that is pushing you is another thing altogether. We aren't talking about anything that was done with any amount of force, the ref wasn't pushed back, didn't stumble, didn't move from the exact spot he was standing on, his hand is just removed from Walden's shoulder.
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AustinColtsFan79
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You can't touch a ref, not at any level of any sport. The ref is trying to separate two players, and the player has to be aware and in control and not resist or push back on the ref in any way. This was minor, but it's the rules. I think the ejection was warranted but the fine is excessive. But players have to know, you can't ever touch a ref.
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JediColt
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Except that you can. I can show you a million other plays where players did that with no flag and no ejection.
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Seeing that video in slow-mo shows that the fine was warranted then. From what I saw in normal videos, it appeared as if he was trying to get the Bengal player away from him and I had mistakenly assumed it was his left arm swatting at the Bengal player, not at the ref.

Fine is warranted then and I apologize for earlier comments about the ref being in the wrong.

Let's just hope he can get a handle on his emotions because he is playing like a beast.
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IronPony1965
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I refuse to accept the penalty is warranted.

Screw all referees.

Especially the one they use on TV to explain calls who cant speak english any better than my 1 year old niece.
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JediColt
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Oct 24 2014, 01:10 PM
I refuse to accept the penalty is warranted.

Screw all referees.

Especially the one they use on TV to explain calls who cant speak english any better than my 1 year old niece.
Why doesn't it let me like this post more than once?
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isamuelson
Oct 24 2014, 11:37 AM


Let's just hope he can get a handle on his emotions because he is playing like a beast.
I, for one, don't want him to get a handle on his emotions BECAUSE he is playing like a beast. Doesn't bother me a bit as long as he keeps up his level of play.
JediColt
Oct 24 2014, 04:05 PM
Why doesn't it let me like this post more than once?
It's a special app just for you Jedi :deal:
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