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Running Backs
Topic Started: Nov 30 2014, 05:39 PM (545 Views)
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Who starts doesn't matter, but after today Herron needs to get the bulk of the carries.

Richardson: 8 runs for 12 yards
Herron: 8 runs for 88 yards (7 for 39 if you take away the big TD run, which is still far better than Trent)

No more excuses for Trent. I've defended him, but no more. The guy is a bust.
Wouldn't even mind seeing Tipton get some carries. If he performs, bench Trent.
Edited by Bent20, Nov 30 2014, 05:39 PM.
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IronPony1965
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I just wish Herron would quit fumbling the damn ball. If he does, im perfectly content only using Trent on bull run situations where he just has to run up the gut as hard as he can. I think he can at least manage that.
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None of our RBs are immune from fumbling. Richardson has two on the year, Bradshaw had three, Herron has two.
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Nov 30 2014, 05:39 PM

No more excuses for Trent. I've defended him, but no more. The guy is a bust.
I said the exact same thing earlier today.
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Bent20
Nov 30 2014, 05:39 PM

No more excuses for Trent. I've defended him, but no more. The guy is a bust.
I said the exact same thing earlier today.
I have been saying the same thing this week. The positive is TRich picked up several blitzes today.
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I wanted TR to succeed but he fails to impress. When Herron can come in and rip off big gains while TR gains one and two yards, you know there must be something wrong.
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Richardson isn't completely useless out there, but being anything other than a short yardage back is not in the cards for him. If he could learn to use his power better he would be a better RB.
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That's just it. He's not effective as a power runner. Last year, I didn't think much of Donald Brown out performing him with fewer carries (Brown is averaging 2.3 yards per carry on 66 rush attempts in SD, by the way), but Bradshaw is the same type of runner as TR and he was much, much better!
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I think the TRich project is done. He's just too darn slow. And even as a short yardage back he hasn't shown much strength. It just isn't working.

The common perception is that if our o-line improved, TRich would be fine. But if our o-line improves that much, ANYONE would be fine. Hate to say it, but I have supported him a lot and just don't see him bringing anything many other rb's couldn't bring, and less than what a starting rb should bring.
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LACOLTSFAN
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Boom goes TRich's time as a starter.

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cedjss
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Yeo TRich is a bust, he has no burst, no vision
Tipton i think would do better
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I admit I supported TRich for a long time, but now I've changed. Even the fans at the game are booing him. This is a problem for the Colts, Grigson and our coach. I think it has reached the point of possibly defining Grigson's time as GM for the Colts.
The Colts seem to decide who gets the playing time by some means outside of actual game production. Not only in the RB position but also our C position.
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Yeah, T-Rich is useless aside from blocking. I'm so tired of the term "GOOD short yardage back". The reason they are 'good' short yardage backs is because they aren't capable of running anything else. Here's a question, what is BETTER than a short yardage back? Answer: ANY back who runs for more than short yardage. There are times when we need 1 or 2 yards. i STILL dont' understand why you would rather go with the guy who runs for 2 vs the guy who runs for 4 or 5. To me, that makes more sense.

Herron is the way to go, and keep going that way. Same with Moncrief. I didn't notice Nicks on the field once yesterday. Was he sick or something?
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Yeah, T-Rich is useless aside from blocking. I'm so tired of the term "GOOD short yardage back". The reason they are 'good' short yardage backs is because they aren't capable of running anything else. Here's a question, what is BETTER than a short yardage back? Answer: ANY back who runs for more than short yardage. There are times when we need 1 or 2 yards. i STILL dont' understand why you would rather go with the guy who runs for 2 vs the guy who runs for 4 or 5. To me, that makes more sense.

Herron is the way to go, and keep going that way. Same with Moncrief. I didn't notice Nicks on the field once yesterday. Was he sick or something?
A short yardage back is a back who can use their strength to punch through the line and get a first down or touchdown in a scenario where a back like Herron doesn't have the strength to push the pile and get the yard you need.

Nicks was on the field yesterday, but not as much as Moncrief.
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Dec 1 2014, 09:25 AM
I admit I supported TRich for a long time, but now I've changed. Even the fans at the game are booing him. This is a problem for the Colts, Grigson and our coach. I think it has reached the point of possibly defining Grigson's time as GM for the Colts.
The Colts seem to decide who gets the playing time by some means outside of actual game production. Not only in the RB position but also our C position.
Grigson has acknowledged that the decision is based on what they see in practice as well (what fans don't get to see). I don't think TR negatively impacts Grigson. He's made a lot of other really good decisions. The challenge for him is to fix the weaknesses that persist. That will have to come this off-season. If he fails, and we don't improve, I don't see Irsay being as patient with him as he was Polian.
I think why I still pull for Trent is because of the stupidity from the media. First, they didn't really trade a "fortune" for him. That makes it sound like it was multiple picks. Second, Doyel wants to bench him, but we know that won't happen because the Colts, like all NFL teams these days, use at least a two-back rotation.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/no-3-nfl-draft-pick-215042309.html
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A fortune is when the Cowboys gave up 2 first round draft picks for Joey Galloway. Or when they traded for Roy Williams who was TERRIBLE for them.

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Dec 1 2014, 05:42 PM
...First, they didn't really trade a "fortune" for him. That makes it sound like it was multiple picks. Second, Doyel wants to bench him, but we know that won't happen because the Colts, like all NFL teams these days, use at least a two-back rotation.
I agree that the Colts didn't give a fortune but they didn't exactly get a steal either. I also agree about the two back rotation but there is nothing that says TRich has to be apart of it. It appears that Bradshaw/Herron would have been a better combination than Bradshaw/Richardson so is it out of the question to say that Herron/Tipton would not be better as well?
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Listen, with the talent you can get in RB's in rounds 2,3,4 and so on, there is NO need to use a first round pick on this guy. Using a first rounder on this guy, well, who KNOWS what we could have got with that pick? We could have drafted a great player, we could have drafted a dud. What we DID do, is use the first round pick on a guy whose numbers indicate that he shoudln't have even be drafted at all. Keep pulling for him all you want. All the video evidence proves that he cannot find a hole, and he can't push people around like a bruising running back could. I'd rather have Kadeem Carey instead of this guy. At least we don't KNOW he sucks yet. lol
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When an UFA plays better than he has, it tells me all I need to know. Some rolling ball of butcher knives...
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There's no question it was a bad trade. RBs are not that important, we can lose Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson and its barely a blip on the radar. DeMarco Murray has been the Cowboys starter for a while now but suddenly he's the best back in the league now that the Cowboys have built up their offensive line. The Patriots ran wild on us with Wang Chung because their O line kicked our butt.

I don't care if Jim Brown and Barry Sanders have a baby and want us to trade for it, we need to spend our money and draft picks on offensive linemen until we can put 5 guys up front that don't give up a sack fumble on the first play of the game back to back weeks.
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Speaking of Rice, I have heard some more rumors on the Sports Talk Radio stations about the Colts having interest in him. But, that he probably would not be signed until the off season.

I agree about the Oline. The focus needs to be placed squarely on the offensive line this off season. Luck needs to be protected AND average backs can look like world beaters behind a solid line.
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Dec 2 2014, 09:29 AM
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Dec 1 2014, 05:42 PM
...First, they didn't really trade a "fortune" for him. That makes it sound like it was multiple picks. Second, Doyel wants to bench him, but we know that won't happen because the Colts, like all NFL teams these days, use at least a two-back rotation.
I agree that the Colts didn't give a fortune but they didn't exactly get a steal either. I also agree about the two back rotation but there is nothing that says TRich has to be apart of it. It appears that Bradshaw/Herron would have been a better combination than Bradshaw/Richardson so is it out of the question to say that Herron/Tipton would not be better as well?
No, it's not out of the question and I almost suggested they give Tipton a try. Just don't think it's likely to happen unless TR gets banged up or complains.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000438017/article/trent-richardson-wont-have-reduced-role-with-colts

Keep swinging that ax! smh. come on Chuck! Call a spade a spade. If you keep swinging the ax, the tree will eventually fall? That sounds like some Irsay-twitter rant. By that logic, they can sign me and keep swinging that ax and eventually the tree has to fall right? right? wrong! because the ax you are using has an extremely dull blade
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We all damn the trade because of the pick it cost us, but the context is important. There is no way that TR was worth a first round pick and no one will argue that from a pure value standpoint we got hosed. But when we traded for him, our running back situation was a little desperate and he came in and helped solidify it that year. His production has been mediocre, but he's been a back we can count on to be there. I'm certain we can and will do better at some point soon going forward, but he was a quick fix at a time when we didn't have much alternative. I don't like the trade, but I understand it.
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Dec 3 2014, 11:59 AM
We all damn the trade because of the pick it cost us, but the context is important. There is no way that TR was worth a first round pick and no one will argue that from a pure value standpoint we got hosed. But when we traded for him, our running back situation was a little desperate and he came in and helped solidify it that year. His production has been mediocre, but he's been a back we can count on to be there. I'm certain we can and will do better at some point soon going forward, but he was a quick fix at a time when we didn't have much alternative. I don't like the trade, but I understand it.
Could have found someone who would have done just as good for cheaper.
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Dec 3 2014, 11:59 AM
We all damn the trade because of the pick it cost us, but the context is important. There is no way that TR was worth a first round pick and no one will argue that from a pure value standpoint we got hosed. But when we traded for him, our running back situation was a little desperate and he came in and helped solidify it that year. His production has been mediocre, but he's been a back we can count on to be there. I'm certain we can and will do better at some point soon going forward, but he was a quick fix at a time when we didn't have much alternative. I don't like the trade, but I understand it.
Could have found someone who would have done just as good for cheaper.
Easy to say that in hindsight though. There was reason to think Richardson could be effective. The Davis trade paid off a year earlier, so Grigson was willing to gamble again and lost. Was worth a shot.
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Dec 3 2014, 11:59 AM
We all damn the trade because of the pick it cost us, but the context is important. There is no way that TR was worth a first round pick and no one will argue that from a pure value standpoint we got hosed. But when we traded for him, our running back situation was a little desperate and he came in and helped solidify it that year. His production has been mediocre, but he's been a back we can count on to be there. I'm certain we can and will do better at some point soon going forward, but he was a quick fix at a time when we didn't have much alternative. I don't like the trade, but I understand it.
Very true & valid point, and I would say the majority of us understand this. My problem is not with the trade or even in the fact that it has not worked out. I understand the position the team was in & that no-one is perfect & is going to make mistakes, but what is important is how one deals with their mistakes.

TRich has been out performed by every RB the Colts have put on the field since his arrival. IMO, this is because he has no quickness or burst, and I feel that at some point the Colts need to acknowledge this and move forward accordingly. It is not unlike the DHB vs TY debate from last season or the Nicks vs Moncrief debate this season. At some point you need to move on from a player that is just not producing & give another player their chance.

You claim he has been a RB the Colts can count on to be there, but exactly what has his presence provided? Good blitz protection for Luck? I will give him that, but does that justify the workload he has been given the last two seasons?
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The Browns made him available after a half season, after being the THIRD pick in the draft. He's slow and uninstictive as a R.B. His hands are o.k. and his blocking seems to be pretty good at blitz pickups. But he needs to play behind a superior O-Line due to his style, which is one of hesitation and indecision. Not a good fit with what we've got in place to date. Boom and Bradshaw before him, hit the hole with authority. Whatever "hole" was there...
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...But he needs to play behind a superior O-Line...
errsay,

I'm not really calling you out here, I'm simply tired of reading this from multiple sources. Exactly which RB, that has already out performed TRich, is not going to benefit from improved blocking?
Edited by rccolts, Dec 3 2014, 04:11 PM.
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