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AFC Championship Game: Colts at Patriots game thread
Topic Started: Jan 13 2015, 11:01 PM (4,083 Views)
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I know we can win Sunday. I have a good feeling about it. That or I just can't stand the idea of our season ending in a playoff loss at New England two years in a row. We've already lived that nightmare once.
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God, I hate the Patriots.
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This makes no sense... you keep Luck in the game to essentially run 3 short plays... just proves our
mentality. At least keep taking some swings no matter the score or just concede and put in Hasselbeck.
Edited by ColtsVille, Jan 18 2015, 10:58 PM.
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IronPony1965
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They killed the defense with pick plays over and over and over again perfectly balanced with Blount up the middle.

That is how you beat press defense.

This looked like the exact same team weve watched for 10 years now. Receivers getting owned and minimal running game with no defense.
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Packers fans are heart broken
colts fans are disgusted
packers fans are thinking about if that if one play had been different
Colt fans are thinking maybe the coaches need to be fired
Edited by cedjss, Jan 18 2015, 11:04 PM.
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It's easier for me to accept this type of loss versus being a Packers fan. They dominated the majority of the game and somehow lost...tougher pill to swallow. The Packers deserved to win and we didn't.
Edited by ColtsVille, Jan 18 2015, 11:08 PM.
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No maybe about it. You get humiliated in the AFCC you should be fired. Grigson, too, if that will make fans feel better. It won't happen, but Pagano needs to be held accountable. This was a shit showing and it all starts and ends with the headcoach. He's a great guy. I really do love his character, but as a coach he's not getting it done. His teams showed some improvement over the past two weeks, but tonight that was gone and given all the crap that happened this week with Nixon, McNary and Richardson, and then this, the team simply was not focused and not ready. People can defend the coach all they like, but that's his job, have the team focused and ready and make sure you're making adjustments.
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It's hard losing like this too! It's like groundhog day! But every dog has it's day!
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Jan 18 2015, 11:10 PM
No maybe about it. You get humiliated in the AFCC you should be fired. Grigson, too, if that will make fans feel better. It won't happen, but Pagano needs to be held accountable. This was a shit showing and it all starts and ends with the headcoach. He's a great guy. I really do love his character, but as a coach he's not getting it done. His teams showed some improvement over the past two weeks, but tonight that was gone and given all the crap that happened this week with Nixon, McNary and Richardson, and then this, the team simply was not focused and not ready. People can defend the coach all they like, but that's his job, have the team focused and ready and make sure you're making adjustments.
This has been the case for some time each year.... stupid decisions by players over and over, little to no adjustments, lack of discipline, head scratching lineups... that is coaching whether you agree or not. You can love the guy but that doesn't mean he can coach! This was a complete humiliation for the entire organization--AGAIN--but nothing will be done for because we have a talented QB and made it this far it means we are improving.... REALLY?

PLEASE--get an Oline that can stomp on people and NE will become a has been.
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I'm torn... really am. The team did exceed expectations, because they didn't look like a contender several times this season and had a legitimate chance to win the AFC. However, we were flat out embarrassed today and that can't keep happening. There definitely needs to be some upgrades in personnel, but coaching continues to be a weak spot as well. If the team gets embarrassed multiple times next season, then Irsay needs to shake things up and send a message. This coaching staff deserves one more year, but I'm not expecting things to drastically change.
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Losing like Green Bay I would feel like we are 1 maybe 2 players away
tonight getting humiliated, well seems like we need alot
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IronPony1965
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I understand the annoyance for Pagano, but its my opinion that the team just isnt that talented.

Offense has a few extremely young pieces and defense has two good corners. Everything else could easily be replaced.

The only good thing I saw this postseason was the Oline improvement.
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Jan 18 2015, 11:19 PM
I'm torn... really am. The team did exceed expectations, because they didn't look like a contender several times this season and had a legitimate chance to win the AFC. However, we were flat out embarrassed today and that can't keep happening. There definitely needs to be some upgrades in personnel, but coaching continues to be a weak spot as well. If the team gets embarrassed multiple times next season, then Irsay needs to shake things up and send a message. This coaching staff deserves one more year, but I'm not expecting things to drastically change.
See John Fox in Denver this year, I fear that will be Pagano and staff next year. The next step, if we keep improving is to make a SB and lose, but I could see us not making the AFCC game next year. Hope I'm wrong and we somehow make a big jump, but not holding my breath. Right now, we are the Manning era Colts all over again, Luck is just accomplishing more at an early stage than Manning, but that has much to do with our division being awful as anything.
IronPony1965
Jan 18 2015, 11:22 PM
I understand the annoyance for Pagano, but its my opinion that the team just isnt that talented.

Offense has a few extremely young pieces and defense has two good corners. Everything else could easily be replaced.

The only good thing I saw this postseason was the Oline improvement.
We've brought in several free agents on defense. At some point the coaches have to mold that defense into a consistent contributor. Frankly, Grigson has given Pagano more ammunition than Polian ever gave Dungy and Pagano isn't making the most of it. We have shutdown corners, but a front seven that wilts with ease.
Edited by Bent20, Jan 18 2015, 11:29 PM.
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IronPony1965
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If next year is much of the same, then changes should be made in my opinion. However, I wouldnt be cool with changes being made now.

It isnt as if this team has been a contender for the last 5+ years. Most of us felt like we werent even contenders THIS year. I think we are on the fence between being a TRUE SB caliber team and not. We need one more draft and some key free agents.

The team right now is scrappy and thats it. Talent is minimal.




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Jan 18 2015, 11:25 PM
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Jan 18 2015, 11:19 PM
I'm torn... really am. The team did exceed expectations, because they didn't look like a contender several times this season and had a legitimate chance to win the AFC. However, we were flat out embarrassed today and that can't keep happening. There definitely needs to be some upgrades in personnel, but coaching continues to be a weak spot as well. If the team gets embarrassed multiple times next season, then Irsay needs to shake things up and send a message. This coaching staff deserves one more year, but I'm not expecting things to drastically change.
See John Fox in Denver this year, I fear that will be Pagano and staff next year. The next step, if we keep improving is to make a SB and lose, but I could see us not making the AFCC game next year. Hope I'm wrong and we somehow make a big jump, but not holding my breath. Right now, we are the Manning era Colts all over again, Luck is just accomplishing more at an early stage than Manning, but that has much to do with our division being awful as anything.
IronPony1965
Jan 18 2015, 11:22 PM
I understand the annoyance for Pagano, but its my opinion that the team just isnt that talented.

Offense has a few extremely young pieces and defense has two good corners. Everything else could easily be replaced.

The only good thing I saw this postseason was the Oline improvement.
We've brought in several free agents on defense. At some point the coaches have to mold that defense into a consistent contributor. Frankly, Grigson has given Pagano more ammunition than Polian ever gave Dungy and Pagano isn't making the most of it. We have shutdown corners, but a front seven that wilts with ease.
You need more than just role players, which is what was signed other than arthur jones. That isnt a knock on them, the free agents outside of Landry have played well in my opinion but are not and have never been playmakers.

The defense needs more than two corners and some role players. Mathis returning will help, but another key impact player is needed.
Edited by IronPony1965, Jan 18 2015, 11:34 PM.
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I don't understand everyone saying how much talent we lack. Do you guys really believe that NE is more talented than the Colts at a 45 to 7 discrepancy? Seriously, outside of Gronk, Brady, and Revis, does anyone on that team strike you as a player that could go to any team and immediately be the best player at their position?

Clearly they have more talent at some positions than us, but these guys are all professionals. Talent doesn't explain 45 to 7.
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Tough to do though with cap constraints, unless we're willing to let Luck walk (insane) or wait until the last minute to sign him and ultimately pay him more on a less flexible deal.
AustinColtsFan79
Jan 18 2015, 11:37 PM
I don't understand everyone saying how much talent we lack. Do you guys really believe that NE is more talented than the Colts at a 45 to 7 discrepancy? Seriously, outside of Gronk, Brady, and Revis, does anyone on that team strike you as a player that could go to any team and immediately be the best player at their position?

Clearly they have more talent at some positions than us, but these guys are all professionals. Talent doesn't explain 45 to 7.
No, it doesn't which is why many of us are calling for Pagano to be fired. We just acknowledge it won't happen.
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Jan 18 2015, 11:37 PM
Do you guys really believe that NE is more talented than the Colts at a 45 to 7 discrepancy?
Yes? Did you watch this team against teams who had talent this season? We were WAYYYYY less of the team last week and WAYYYYYY more of the team today. This team needs a LOT of help.
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Do you guys really believe that NE is more talented than the Colts at a 45 to 7 discrepancy?
Yes? Did you watch this team against teams who had talent this season? We were WAYYYYY less of the team last week and WAYYYYYY more of the team today. This team needs a LOT of help.
Needs help, yes, but does that explain 45-7 in the AFCC game? No. Pagano and staff flat out sucked today.
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Jan 18 2015, 11:37 PM
I don't understand everyone saying how much talent we lack. Do you guys really believe that NE is more talented than the Colts at a 45 to 7 discrepancy? Seriously, outside of Gronk, Brady, and Revis, does anyone on that team strike you as a player that could go to any team and immediately be the best player at their position?

Clearly they have more talent at some positions than us, but these guys are all professionals. Talent doesn't explain 45 to 7.
Actually, 45 to 7 absolutely shows a lack of talent.

Just because you play on a football team doesnt mean youre good. As i said Colts have a ton of role players with low ceilings.

Wilfork, Ninkovich, Revis....all huge impact players off the top of my head for Pats defense.
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Also has helped the Patriots having so many draft picks in recent years. They can reload and let guys walk in free agency. Nice luxury to have.

Thank goodness Belicheat is just an evil head football coach. If he was a super villain the world would be screwed.
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We've got a top 5 quarterback, a top 5 corner, a top 10 receiver, 2 tight ends that could start on most teams. We have talented guys. I'm not saying we don't need help, we have LOTS of positions where we could be better. What I'm saying is that talent might answer for 10 to 14 points of difference. They are not 38 points better than us on talent alone.
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Fully agree.
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Jan 18 2015, 11:53 PM
We've got a top 5 quarterback, a top 5 corner, a top 10 receiver, 2 tight ends that could start on most teams. We have talented guys. I'm not saying we don't need help, we have LOTS of positions where we could be better. What I'm saying is that talent might answer for 10 to 14 points of difference. They are not 38 points better than us on talent alone.
Offense is crazy talented outside of the Oline.

But as much as the offense failed today, I dont expect that to continue. However, the DEFENSE will continue to be atrocious if it is ignored. You cant fix the defense signing cast off warm bodies. There is an extremely obvious lack of Talent on defense.
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So what, exactly, explains us getting beat by them 87-27 in two games this season?
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Jan 18 2015, 11:56 PM
So what, exactly, explains us getting beat by them 87-27 in two games this season?
Getting whipped physically.
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They put together complex game plans tailored towards their opponents week after week. And then they have their players prepared to execute them almost flawlessly for an entire game. They take away their opponents strengths and force them to do something else to win.

Our guys use very similar schemes week in and week out. And when we play teams that can't exploit that or are weak where we are strong, we look really good. But when we don't, we just look lost and unprepared. We flat out don't cover guys. We abandon backside cut back lanes. We turn the ball over. We abandon the run. Etc, etc, etc.

I'm just frustrated with how often our team looks sloppy, confused, and down right unprepared.
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Agreed, except I don't think their game plans are that complex. I think they're just steady and consistent. Belichick has lost in the playoffs each of the last 10 years, but he never looks like he's confused or in a panic. Our coaches (even before the players) looked like they were beaten from the outset.
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There is obviously truth to both sentiments...we need better players and coaching. Take away our division games during the regular season and we are a just a .500 squad. We beat a hobbled Bengals team and pulled off the upset last week. Unfortunately, reality struck again today and proved that our team still needs improvement in several areas. Basically, we win the majority of games we should and lose the majority of games that we aren't favored to win. This is a dominant team in the AFC South, an above average team in the AFC, and an average to below average NFL playoff team. This group had some brutal performances this season, but we are still miles ahead of several other teams who were sitting at home today. The upper brass needs to keep making improvements that will hopefully trend us upward and to keep controlling our division in the process. It's still going to take a few seasons though, because you can't just miraculously fix all of these problems overnight. It probably won't be Pagano who can get us over this hump, but you never know and it's tough not to root for the guy. However, the overall results will continue to speak volumes about his head coaching ability. If we keep getting abused by certain teams, then changes have to be made.
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coltedge
Jan 18 2015, 10:11 PM
The Colts are the Pats bitch.
As of right now, they certainly are.

It's up to irsay/Pagano/Grigson to do somehting about it.
IronPony1965
Jan 18 2015, 11:02 PM
They killed the defense with pick plays over and over and over again perfectly balanced with Blount up the middle.

That is how you beat press defense.

This looked like the exact same team weve watched for 10 years now. Receivers getting owned and minimal running game with no defense.
You speak much truth....
Edited by Coltny, Jan 19 2015, 01:53 AM.
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Don't tell him that. It will go straight to his head and we'll never hear the end of it. :deal:
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We are as good as any AFC team sans the Pats, and better than most. Sound familiar? I'd give Pags and his staff one more year to garner a SB berth or start thinking about making some serious changes. Grigson needs to furnish the team with better players, pronto. Irsay needs to be less impulsive about his Q.B. fettishes, while seeing the big picture as he promised after parting ways with Peyton. Where's the monster?
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Let us not forget that if the Ravens had beaten the Pats last week, which they almost did. we might be in the SB right now, because I certainly liked our chances at home against them.

I don't know if that's good or bad...
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