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New York Jets vs. Indianapolis Colts; 2015 - Week 2
Topic Started: Sep 17 2015, 07:34 PM (2,286 Views)
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Sep 21 2015, 11:36 PM
Seriously, what shit coach has your QB in the game at this point throwing three meaningless screens?
Okay. I take it back. Fire Pags too for that. But Griggson needs to go too. I won't accept him back next year.
Edited by isamuelson, Sep 21 2015, 11:40 PM.
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Sep 21 2015, 11:38 PM
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Sep 21 2015, 11:36 PM
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Sep 21 2015, 11:35 PM
Why is Andrew Luck even in the damn game at this point?
Hey, he played like a back up.
He has already proven himself. Yes, he's playing like shit, but that's not all on him.
Tongue in cheek, Bent.
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Pagano needs to go, too. Tired of it all being Grigson. It needs to be both, but no sparing Grigs. The dude's teams are never ready. They're a damn disaster waiting to happen every game. He should have been fired after the AFC championship game last year.
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Sep 21 2015, 11:17 PM
I take back what I've said about re-signing Allen. He can't stay on the field. He needs to be gone.

Andrew is pressing because this team is shit.
I agree about Allen. he has talent, but if he can't stay on the field...
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If we send Irsay some meds, will that help to bribe him into firing Griggson? And please don't hire Pep as the HC. On second thought, that might convince him to do just that. Forget I mentioned it. Lol
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Sep 21 2015, 11:41 PM
If we send Irsay some meds, will that help to bribe him into firing Griggson? And please don't hire Pep as the HC. On second thought, that might convince him to do just that. Forget I mentioned it. Lol
I have family in Carmel, I'd appreciate if Irsay wasn't cruising around f'd up. :thumbsup:
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Funny listening to Sorgi after the game talking about tomorrow being another over reaction and then saying we have reason to be worried because we're not playing as good as we were last year when we were 0-2. No shit we're not. Through the first two weeks we have looked like the worst team in the NFL without question.
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Sep 21 2015, 11:40 PM
Pagano needs to go, too. Tired of it all being Grigson. It needs to be both, but no sparing Grigs. The dude's teams are never ready. They're a damn disaster waiting to happen every game. He should have been fired after the AFC championship game last year.
As pissed as I was about the Pats and the deflated balls, Griggson just made the Colts the laughing stock of the NFL being the tattle tale. The Colts lost because of the product he put on the field, not because of the air pressure. Now I'm beginning to wonder if this is karma coming down on the Colts for that whole debacle? (I know it's not, but still).

Griggson has really put a turd out on the field. And we all ate his shit sandwich.
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Jackson a stinger should be fine. Per Pagano
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As much as I hate the Cowboys...they are 2-0 while losing their 2 best players on offense (and last year's leading rusher). Quit throwing all of our money and picks away on skill players...this alone should cost Grigson his job. Moncrief is more productive than Johnson and is losing valuable reps to him as well. Gore or any RB is useless with a below average line. I won't even get started with our lack of depth in key areas.
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Sep 21 2015, 11:47 PM
Jackson a stinger should be fine. Per Pagano
Doesn't take the sting away from these two horrid performances.

Where's the meds? I need some now...
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Pagano, "protect the QB and not put the ball on the ground. It's not trigonometry."
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Sep 21 2015, 11:49 PM
Pagano, "protect the QB and not put the ball on the ground. It's not trigonometry."
Well he must have failed general math then. Him and Griggson and the o-line coach. Oh how I pine for Howard Mudd right now.
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Pogano is really pissed. Should be. Said we did the same thing last year and hope we run off a string of wins like that. Then abruptly walked out.
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This is as angry and fed up as I've ever been as a Colts fan. Ever! At least when Peyton went down and in the early 90s, I knew to expect crap. Now I'm getting to the point where I expect us to be just good enough thanks to our QB. This year it seems that's not even enough. I'm just tired of the same old crap from this organization. We can win the next three games and it really won't mean shit to me. Because I know we'll get our asses kicked by the Patriots. We need a new philosophy, not an owner pledging a new philosophy and then hiring guys who basically do the same damn thing.
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I have zero confidence in the coaching staff or front office. Really made a mess of it. You need more than an all world QB.
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Le'ts not kid ourselves, we have enough talent to expect more than 7 points in three quarters of football against the Jets.
I really don't agree, but ok.
A mediocre team should score at least 10 against the Jets at home.
Yes, do go on about how we are even a mediocre team at this point...
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I have no doubt it is coaching
What we have seen the last 3 years , it is coaching
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Sep 21 2015, 11:52 PM
Pogano is really pissed. Should be. Said we did the same thing last year and hope we run off a string of wins like that. Then abruptly walked out.
I really think it's all Griggson. I believe Pags is pissed about the hand Griggson has dealt him. Like I said, you put shit in, you better expect to get shit out.

But the sad part is, Pags will get fired before Griggson and if Griggson isn't gone as well, then Irsay is back on the drugs.
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If Pagano wants to stay as our defensive coordinator, I'd be fine with that.
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Sep 21 2015, 11:53 PM
I have zero confidence in the coaching staff or front office. Really made a mess of it. You need more than an all world QB.
You need more than an all world QB, washed up vets and other teams cast offs.... Yea, that looks more accurate.
Davis concussion. He's out.
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Pats put a third string center who is a rookie free agent starting
Not defending Grigson but our lack if adjustments, slow starts last year
Might be assistant coaches but it is coaching
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Sep 21 2015, 11:54 PM
I have no doubt it is coaching
What we have seen the last 3 years , it is coaching
It's more than just the coaching. Even the announcers were blaming it more on Griggs than Pags. Did you see how they showed the number of different starting o-line men there have been since Griggs has been the gm? Over 10. One position had 9 different starters. Can't remember which one, but there has been no consistency on the o-line since Luck has been with the Colts.

But I think both Griggson and Pags are on the line. But if only one had to go, it should be Griggs. He sucks. Period.
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Sep 21 2015, 11:59 PM
Pats put a third string center who is a rookie free agent starting
Not defending Grigson but our lack if adjustments, slow starts last year
Might be assistant coaches but it is coaching
You can get away with that if your guards are good. Just sayin.
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Also cut griff Whalen and bring Reggie back
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I like to win. Who doesn't. I can take a loss. Don't like it but I can take it IF you are competitive and play hard. Haven't seen that. That's upsetting.
Let's see what kind of veteran leadership we see in that locker room now.
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The game plan by other teams against the Colts offense is pretty simple and obvious - stack the box, dare the run, and press the receivers. This is all predicated on the knowledge that we have a bad OL.

What is sickening is that the Colts have seen this strategy since the end of the Manning era when James was done and the team lost its running game with its turnstyle OL. And yes, Grigson did spend big bucks on Thomas and Cherilus. If those guys turned out well, 3/5 of our OL would have been decent and all of this might be less painful. Plus the loss of Art Jones really stings, although I am very impressed with the two Stanford DL guys - much better than Chapman and Hughes.

The team just looks disconnected right now. Everyone is pressing and making mistakes. Looks like a bunch of moving parts that can't jell. I really don't think that the team is this bad, it just has a lot of troubles, like injuries and mistakes, that has exacerbated its OL woes.

I so wish that when Luck came out of college that the team had actually made getting a roadgrader OL its top priority. But they had Arians who was downfield pass happy, and that was the beginning of the end of an interest in a tough running game/OL.

Certainly, no monster has been built in Indy during the Grigson era. But what surprised me was reading that the Colts had a pitiful weight room when Grigson arrived, and he made Irsay build a new one. They only had one squat rack! EEK...no wonder the team was such a finesse team.

Tough days right now..

Edited by Coltny, Sep 22 2015, 12:12 AM.
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The problem is that Irsay hand picked both the GM and coach. Pagano isn't the answer, but Grigson has been much worse with his decision making. I have a feeling that Irsay will give Grigson a pass here and let him bring in his own coach next season. So, we should expect some castoff from either the Eagles or the Browns...probably a Marty Mornhinweg type.
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I really don't agree, but ok.
A mediocre team should score at least 10 against the Jets at home.
Yes, do go on about how we are even a mediocre team at this point...
The coaches should be able to get more than seven points out of this offense. They're not that bad. Or at least they shouldn't be. Honestly, we had a drive early where bad play calling stalled us and then we missed a chip shot FG thanks to our kicker, who flashes between great and why aren't you retired. Then we fumble it away at the goal line (did we do that twice, I lost track). Yes, we stink, but the coaches stink, too. I think that might be all we're disagreeing on - how much blame to place on coaching.
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Eight turnovers in two games.
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