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| CanadianColtsFan | May 3 2016, 09:24 PM Post #1 |
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You guys can't be serious can you!? |
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May 3 2016, 10:30 PM Post #2 |
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Coming for you first.
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May 4 2016, 07:18 PM Post #3 |
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Not to talk too much politics, but this time a year ago I was ready to vote Republican over Hillary Clinton. No chance in hell though I'd vote for Trump ... or Cruz, so Hillary it is.
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May 5 2016, 12:22 PM Post #4 |
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![]() https://garyjohnson2016.com/ *ahem* |
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May 5 2016, 06:30 PM Post #5 |
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I have said from the birth of Trump's campaign I could not with a clear conscience cast my vote for him as I see him as a demagogue's demagogue who will say or do anything to win. On the flip side, there is absolutely no way I could fall in line behind Hillary or Bernie as I am completely and fundamentally opposed to everything they stand for. I now find myself, a Constitutional Conservative, without a candidate. We, as a nation, have been in this position several times since I have reached voting age, forced to choose between the lesser of two evils of the candidates the major political parties have put forth as options. It is that philosophy that has led this great nation down the proverbial rabbit hole, and I refuse to do it again. The search is now on for an acceptable candidate that won't force me to compromise the majority of my ideals when casting my vote. Who that will be at this point I can not say with one hundred percent certainty, but I can guarantee that it will not be Trump, Clinton, or Sanders. I am not saying, nor suggesting, that I am planning on sitting out the election, there are plenty of down ballot candidates I will support. I also will cast a vote for President, it just will not be for either of the major party candidates, even if I have to write in a candidate. I simply refuse to fall in lockstep and cast a vote for someone for the sole reason they have an R in front of their name. Especially if that individual is just another big government progressive who has been masquerading in an ill fitting conservative costume. As for this being a vote for Hillary, I can as easily argue that those who cast ballots for Trump in the primaries/caucuses, with all the evidence and poll numbers suggesting that Trump would lose big in a general election, were, in effect, ensuring the same result. I notice that many on the right who, were in opposition to Trump, are now falling in line that it is clear he will be the nominee. I can respect that, however, I will not be one of these individuals. This was not an easy decision to reach, I have always voted for the Republican candidate for President. However, the lesser of two evils is still evil. Clinton and Trump are opposite sides of the same disastrous coin. The decision has been made and once again the vast majority of Americans will vote for one of the major party candidates even though numbers show both are viewed unfavorably by most. To me, this is akin to simply flipping that coin to decide which path to destruction we pursue. I, from this point forward, will only cast my vote for someone who completely stands for the governing principals set forth in the Constitution. |
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| CanadianColtsFan | May 6 2016, 04:58 AM Post #6 |
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If I were American, the stances republicans take on most social issues works never allow me to vote for them, but I respect the feeling of being fed up with the same old politicians, no matter which side you support. But, Donald Trump is a lying, racist, intolerant buffoon who is wholly unqualified to be President. Electing him would be a complete disaster. The idea actually scares me. Edited by CanadianColtsFan, May 6 2016, 04:58 AM.
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May 6 2016, 01:21 PM Post #7 |
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https://garyjohnson2016.com/issues/ |
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| Rjinda | May 8 2016, 12:42 PM Post #8 |
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I'm an Independent and I consider myself to be a moderate on social issues and a conservative on fiscal issues. I've been getting more and more discouraged with our political system and am frustrated with both parties. I don't think we have ever had more poor choices in a presidential election than we will have this year. IMO, Clinton, Sanders, Trump and Cruz are all bad choices and I don't think I can cast a vote for any of them. What has become so frustrating to me is that the parties are more concerned with making the other guy look bad rather than looking for compromise situations that will benefit the country. I understand the Republicans get a lot of criticism for this and I think it is deserved. The Democrats in my opinion are equally to blame. I have voted in every Presidential election for the past 42 years but I may sit this one out. |
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May 8 2016, 02:03 PM Post #9 |
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Sitting it out is absolutely, 100% the WRONG way to go about this. 1st, there are local elections in your area that you need to be involved in. 2nd, not voting does not send your message that you are upset. Voting for a third party sends that message far better than not showing up. |
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| Rjinda | May 8 2016, 03:14 PM Post #10 |
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I'll still vote on the local issues but I probably won't cast a vote for president or perhaps I'll write someone in. |
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| CanadianColtsFan | Nov 13 2016, 02:33 PM Post #11 |
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Good. Lord. |
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| Rjinda | Nov 13 2016, 06:05 PM Post #12 |
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I've voted in every election since 1968 and this was the first time I could not cast a vote for either presidential candidate the major parties put forth. I'm not a Trump supporter at all, but the Dems are equally to blame for this mess by nominating such a flawed candidate. |
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Nov 14 2016, 07:55 PM Post #13 |
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Equally? I don't think so. They take the majority of the blame. The most interesting part is the fraction in the Dems between those who get that this is their fault and those that still don't get it (and never will). Interesting to see how this will play out. |
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| CanadianColtsFan | Nov 19 2016, 03:38 PM Post #14 |
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The Democratic Candidate was clearly not a very good one. The people have spoken. That is not an excuse to elect a completely incompetent, racist, xenophobic, misogynistic moron to the Presidency. It is an embarrassment. The whole world is laughing at you. He's already named a conspiracy theorist/white supremacist to a high ranking position on his team. Bravo, America. |
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Nov 19 2016, 08:00 PM Post #15 |
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And in true American fashion, we don't give a damn what the rest of the world thinks.
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| LACOLTSFAN | Dec 3 2016, 04:02 AM Post #16 |
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I would tell you, or anyone not an American, to STFU, except I completely agree with you. So, I will tell myself to STFU. Trump is dangerous. Egomaniacal, uninterested in any voice other than his own, stubborn, and incapable of seeing shades of gray. You don't like someone else's opinion, or they are opposing you, then tell them to STFU and steamroll over them. This election was a sad day for Americans. Granted, the alternative was not good, but it was better than this lunatic. |
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Dec 3 2016, 11:47 AM Post #17 |
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You watch too much tv. |
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| IronPony1965 | Dec 5 2016, 05:24 PM Post #18 |
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please. every single president this country has had the last few elections has been completely shit on by half the country and the world. every president has received the exact same treatment and had the same things said about them. this is no different. didnt matter if it was trump or hillary, people would have bitched and said the world was ending. Politics is freaking stupid. i just need this man to cut my taxes so i can live an even happier life. Edited by IronPony1965, Dec 5 2016, 05:25 PM.
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| CanadianColtsFan | Jan 28 2017, 08:42 PM Post #19 |
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So you guys still nonchalant about Trump being elected? He's doing every single racist, xenophobic and just plain terrible thing he said he would. Anyone who voted for him when his platform was clear that he wanted to do these things is a fool or a racist. |
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| Rjinda | Jan 29 2017, 05:49 PM Post #20 |
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I'm not comfortable with rhetoric, but so far I'm ok with most of the policy. I would guess your commenting due to the immigration ban. I consider myself to be pro immigration but also understand if you are going to have immigration policy/law it should be enforced. What the Liberals have done in the United States is disgraceful. Anyone who wants to see immigration policy/law reviewed or enforced is automatically racist. Because of the dangers we are facing, if his administration wants to put a temporary ban on immigration to review procedures, I think it's reasonable. Considering how many undocumented people are in our country. Good buddie of mine is from Vancouver - beautiful city. He loves to give me a hard time because while I consider myself to be a moderate he is very Liberal. We've discussed Immigration and I've told him I thought we should review our policy and adjust numbers that are more practical of assimilation. We also need to make sure the process works so people can come to our country legally without all the red tape and delays. I also feel if you are going to have immigration laws then they should be enforced. I've often asked him if anyone could simply enter into Canada without documentation, get a job, government benefits and stay as long as they like. He said of course not. I asked him why then he was so critical of us Americans who wanted to see immigration policy/laws followed. He told me because while many believe the number one sport in Canada is hockey, it's actually criticizing Americans. This from a country that clubs baby seals to death! |
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| CanadianColtsFan | Jan 29 2017, 07:08 PM Post #21 |
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If you want to limit people entering the country illegally I have no problem with that. Trump has banned people entirely from 7 countries. These people are not (or at least extremely) rarely entering as illegal immigrants. Maybe he should worry about the thousands and thousands of shooting deaths that happen in the US committed by Americans against Americans. Instead of xenophobic nonsense against Muslim countries. https://twitter.com/jen_keesmaat/status/825452860355801092 If he wants to fight wars against ISIS that is his prerogative. The fact is that this ban on these countries isn't going to make America a lick safer. These refugees are escaping terrorism, not committing it. |
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Jan 29 2017, 07:30 PM Post #22 |
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You mean taking the policy that Obama enacted in 2013 and expanding it to the list of terrorist nations that Obama compiled in 2015? How racist. |
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| CanadianColtsFan | Jan 29 2017, 10:22 PM Post #23 |
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Obama put a hold on refugee visa applications from Iraq. Trump has outright banned citizens from 7 countries, including people with visas and green cards. It isn't the same thing. But I don't agree with what Obama did either. You didn't ask that though, you just assume I'm for one side and against the other. Trump also left off terrorism-laden countries that he had business involvements with, like Saudi Arabia and turkey. How convienient for him. I know you don't care, it's why trump got elected. He said he was going to do all these things and he's doing them. I guess it's what the American people want. Not a great look for the "greatest country in the world" though. How many refugees from this banned countries have come to the US and committed terrorist acts and harmed US citizens? He touts these actions as keeping the US safe. Safe from what? Edited by CanadianColtsFan, Jan 29 2017, 10:24 PM.
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Jan 30 2017, 01:09 PM Post #24 |
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From the same boogeymen that taking our shoes off at the airport protects us from. Nothing will change for the better until it changes for the worse. That's what I'm rooting for. |
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Jan 31 2017, 10:20 AM Post #25 |
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You need to check your facts. There has only been a 90 day hold placed on immigrants from 6 of those 7 countries while vetting procedures are scrutinized. Refugees from Syria are the only ones who have had an indefinite hold placed on them as there are many questions over how well these individuals are vetted. The 7 countries selected were not selected by Trump, but he took the list of 7 nations the Obama administration put together as volatile terrorist breeding grounds and put the immigration hold on those 7 countries. There was some considerable confusion when the order was first released due to lack of communication (fault falls on Trump's administration) but it is my understanding that those who have existing visas and green cards are allowed in the country, new applicants are subject to the hold. |
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| isamuelson | Jan 31 2017, 10:57 AM Post #26 |
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You are correct. Only refugees with NO visas, green cards, and are not US citizens. And it's NOT a Muslim ban. Read the actual order. Not ONCE is Islam or Muslim mention. Even Christian refugees are on the temporary ban IF they do not have valid visas, green cards. The problem is, you have the main stream news calling it a Muslim Ban when that is absolutely false. And the 7 countries on the temporary ban are ones that were identified under Obama's administration as having the highest population of terrorists. Notice that the countries with the highest population of Muslims are NOT on this list (including areas of India, etc)? This was a botched order via a lack of communication or clarification by the administration. In the end, this is no different than what Obama did with Iraq. And Carter did this with Iran as well. So those are two of the seven countries that past Presidents banned temporarily with NO backlash at all. The main reason for this is to try and streamline the vetting process so it can quickly allow legitimate refugees through, while ensuring we can reduce the amount of terrorists sneaking through. And those with green cards, visas, etc are being let through. They just want to make sure they are valid. |
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| CanadianColtsFan | Jan 31 2017, 03:19 PM Post #27 |
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He has banned travel of all people from those countries though. Not just refugees. Nobody from those countries can travel to the US. A Visa is not a guarantee that someone can visit the US. They can turn away anyone who arrives if they want. If they have reason to believe someone is terrorist, they can turn them away. This new ban does absolutely nothing to make America safer. In the last 40 years there have been 0 Americans killed on American soil by immigrants/visitors from the 7 countries Trump has banned. Stop falling for his fear mongering. He keeps talking about making Americans safer. SAFER FROM WHAT. Tens of thousands of Americans kill each other with gun violence every year. Nobody does anything about it. Trump instead protects Americans from people they don't need protecting from. I also find it funny how the administration leans so hard on the fact that these countries were brought up by Obama. Trump is the President. He can choose whatever countries he wants. The list from Obama is a cop out. Even if for some strange reason Trump was forced to use this magical list, he is the one with the travel ban, Obama didn't do it. Why didn't Trump ban UAB, Pakistan, France, Belgium, Saudi Arabia etc if it is only about terrorism? |
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Jan 31 2017, 04:28 PM Post #28 |
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Look up Benghazi, plz. And there have been attacks on targets in Europe from people from these countries. Why do we have to wait to be attacked here before doing something about it? And MOST IMPORTANTLY it is NOT a ban. It is a temporary suspension (except from Syria, which is indefinite).
Good question. I have another. Why didn't Trump ban Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, or Morocco if it is only about banning Muslims? Fact is, only 1 of the Top 10 most populated Muslim nations was on the list: Iran. Edited by IndyColt45, Jan 31 2017, 04:28 PM.
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| CanadianColtsFan | Feb 1 2017, 03:07 AM Post #29 |
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I never said it was only about Muslims. I'm not going to pretend I know what this lunatic is thinking. I'm saying he continuously claims he is making American's safer and putting American safety above everything else, but that is total nonsense. Refugees/visitors from those countries is practically a non-issue. There is no evidence of people coming from those countries into American and committing terrorist acts. |
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| Rjinda | Feb 1 2017, 12:29 PM Post #30 |
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Until 9/11 happened there was no evidence that people could highjack airplanes and fly them into buildings killing thousands of innocents. While I haven't followed all the latest terrorist issues in Europe it is clear that at least some have been caused by the recent influx of refugees from countries like Syria. Recently finished reading the book Enhanced Interrogation by James Mitchell. He is the guy who actually interrogated KSM and yes he is the guy who water boarded him. Whether you feel this was indeed enhanced interrogation or torture the book is an interesting read. One thing that stuck out for me was KSM said (and I'm paraphrasing)we were surprised by Bush's response after 9/11 and it disrupted a couple of missions that were in the planning phase, but don't worry, Americans will soon tire of the war on terror and start arguing amongst themselves, that is when we will strike again. I found the author and information he presented credible. I also believe we have different concerns than countries like Canada. We clearly have a target on our back because we have been one of the leaders in this fight. If you don't believe there are Radical Islamic groups who want to damage or destroy America than I guess I really wont be able to convince you otherwise. Because they haven't been largely successful since 9/11 doesn't mean they are not trying or will not attempt future 9/11's. Failure to recognize this threat exists and the failure to take precautions in my mind is negligent. |
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