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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 9 2017, 08:13 PM (159 Views) | |
| advanced32 | Oct 9 2017, 08:13 PM Post #1 |
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The Cowboys are now officially my team in the NFC...screw every other team. I wish Jerry Jones was our owner. |
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| CanadianColtsFan | Oct 10 2017, 10:27 AM Post #2 |
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250k well spent. |
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| MrCCCs | Oct 10 2017, 11:06 AM Post #3 |
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I concur, even though I don't like Jerry Jones. Pence was right, and this one case, so is Jones. I think Denver already made this proclamation, though, so he isn't the only owner nor the first owner to say this. I haven't kept up with the conversation, but I keep hearing that taking a knee isn't a 'protest'. It was originally with Kaepernick, and has been called such by others taking part in this, so how is it not now a protest? And if not, what is it? |
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Oct 10 2017, 12:23 PM Post #4 |
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They're not saying it's not a protest; they're saying it's not a protest of the armed forces, and therefore not disrespecting the flag. |
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| MrCCCs | Oct 10 2017, 01:23 PM Post #5 |
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That doesn't really make sense, but thanks for clarifying. Hadn't heard that. Like I said, I've been out of the conversation. |
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| LACOLTSFAN | Oct 11 2017, 12:34 AM Post #6 |
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I thought he left because they ran out of beer. |
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Oct 11 2017, 08:45 AM Post #7 |
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It makes sense because the flag represents a whole lot more before it represents the service of veterans. That's what so many people seem to fail to understand. The flag doesn't exist simply to recognize vets and police. If you're outraged by players taking a knee, you should first know the tradition of standing for the anthem. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/09/24/how-the-national-anthem-and-subverting-it-became-a-pregame-tradition-in-america/?utm_term=.653ac8f4e00e I think the end of the article is worth highlighting: Back at the tail end of the civil rights movement, all this anthem pageantry began to rankle some athletes, who thought it glossed over racial injustices in U.S. society. The most infamous protest took place not on an American playing field, but at the 1968 Summer Olympics in Mexico City, at an awards ceremony attended by two black American sprinters: Tommie Smith and John Carlos. As the anthem began to play, both men turned their backs on the flag and raised gloved fists as the crowd booed and screamed the lyrics — until, Carlos later wrote, “it seemed less a national anthem than a barbaric call to arms.” Both sprinters were ordered to leave the stadium and then suspended from the team — but subsequently became immortal for their dissenting silence in the face of our national song. Seeking to avert a repeat of the Olympics protest on his football fields, Ferris wrote in his book, NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle ordered the same year that players “hold their helmets in their left hands and salute the flag during the anthem.” Inevitably, that command inspired defiance. David Meggyesy, a linebacker for the St. Louis Cardinals and known opponent of the Vietnam War, bowed his head instead when the song struck up and did not salute. A lonely protester at the time, Meggyesy was benched the next year and left football. But the old linebacker exclaimed “thank you, thank you, thank you” half a century later, after the San Francisco 49ers quarterback took a knee during the anthem and inspired many to do the same — an American tradition of ballgames, anthems and dissent, which not even the president has been able to stop. Probably goes without saying, but Meggyesy is white. |
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| CanadianColtsFan | Oct 11 2017, 10:23 AM Post #8 |
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Bent it sounds to me like you hate the troops, the US, the flag and everything good in the world!!!! |
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| Xavier Von Voorhees | Oct 11 2017, 10:42 AM Post #9 |
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These anthem protesters are mimicking the actions of athletes during the 60s, when civil rights movements were in full swing due to necessity, due to the need for change, including legal change. These athletes fail to recognize realities regarding how much progress has been made in civil rights in the US since the 1960s. That is also part of the disconnect between the kneeling athletes and many who do not support their actions. Of course, much better to let emotion override evidence. |
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| MrCCCs | Oct 12 2017, 11:04 AM Post #10 |
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I get that these protests by athletes have now been invented to mean something that doesn't protest the nation as a whole, but just a specific subset of problems seemingly inherent and unaddressed in society (which I think is wrong overall, but with enough credibility to make it seem legitimate). The reality is that the overwhelming majority of veterans and Americans see the protest of the flag and national anthem as an overreach that is out of proportion to the subset of problems the athletes seek to address. Again, if there was a clear indication of meaning for these protests, and if there was substantial evidence to support a cause or examples of systemic oppression and injustice, then perhaps what these athletes are doing would seem meaningful. Lacking both of these things, these actions seem insulting to Americans and Veterans. Again, not saying the country doesn't have work to do, but we've come a long way and suggesting the nation has systemic racial oppression is wrong, imo. Xavier makes a good point, as well. It is doing more harm than good. I would argue that what Carlos and Smith did in 1968 was an ill-advised and ineffective way of calling attention to racial injustice, and they had a far clearer purpose and many more overt examples of injustice than current athletes. There being a history of dissent towards the national anthem in the NFL (and one dissenter makes a great feel-good story) doesn't make what is happening now make any more sense. |
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Oct 12 2017, 03:38 PM Post #11 |
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Very interesting read about how the Colts are connecting with people and having conversations. https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2017/10/12/after-anthem-protests-colts-following-through-action/757316001/ |
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| Xavier Von Voorhees | Oct 12 2017, 06:55 PM Post #12 |
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Great article; particularly Darius Butler challenging teammates to get active within the communities, particularly the schools. Of course, this also depends on what message they are spreading. I think it needs to be promoting performance in school; beyond that - beyond the schools - how about trying to tackle the 800 lb gorilla quietly sitting in the corner - parenting - absent fathers and single mothers (often teenage). If the message is, to any significant extent, about police being the enemy, then it will only assist in perpetuating the cycle. Ultimately, the communities themselves assisted by government thru appropriate policymaking and messaging, not NFL players or police, will be the ones who have to make the effort to make meaningful change, or it will not happen. |
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Oct 19 2017, 08:36 PM Post #13 |
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Given the story this week about Trump disrespecting the family of a black soldier killed in action, I will be extremely surprised if all of the players stand this week. |
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Oct 19 2017, 09:56 PM Post #14 |
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This week's Non-Story of the Week. |
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