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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 17 2017, 11:13 AM (720 Views) | |
| advanced32 | Nov 17 2017, 11:13 AM Post #1 |
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I want a new commish. One who will listen to the empty seats. If not, then I will eventually become an an empty seat too. I find it tough to be concerned with who is playing LG when my team, the players and the owner believes disrespecting the flag and Anthem is an option when getting attention for a cause....any cause. This is important to me but most fans here don't seem to share my view. Its like a relatively obscure side show that will go away. |
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Nov 17 2017, 11:36 AM Post #2 |
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If you aren't giving them the attention that they desire, they will go away. |
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| rccolts | Nov 17 2017, 12:27 PM Post #3 |
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I am not a fan of this form of protest. There is a big part of me that wants to say 'if you don't like this country - you are free to leave'. But I also understand that what makes our country so great is the fact that we are free to protest in whatever manner we choose as long as it does not violate someone else's rights. It is more than just a little ironic that so many people get extremely bent out of shape about this when the freedom to do this is a part of what our flag stands for. Edited by rccolts, Nov 17 2017, 12:29 PM.
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| MrCCCs | Nov 17 2017, 12:43 PM Post #4 |
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Well, I do agree with you. The NFL has every right to allow this to happen, just like they decided to have players stand for the national anthem in 2009. I just hate it because it causes me to dislike a sport I really like to watch. Essentially, everyone who is upset by this is complaining because something we like is being taken away from us. I feel the same way about movies that I want to watch but don't because there's too much objectionable material, cars you can longer work on yourself, and new coke when it came out. I hope they get back to football and away from this stuff (and endzone celebrations, which I find annoying to watch), but until then it sucks to have something you enjoy be screwed up by this nonsense. |
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| isamuelson | Nov 17 2017, 01:08 PM Post #5 |
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Just as much as they have a right to protest, I have every right to protest their protest. So don't say I'm not allowed to speak out against HOW they are protesting and WHEN they are doing it. Just as they have a right to do it, I have the right to speak out against it. The freedom works both ways. Now, in this case though, there are NFL guidelines that suggest what players must do. Since they are guidelines, it's not necessarily rules. So it's up to the NFL to either enforce them or not. That's their call, but we as fans can decide to no longer support the NFL if they do not wish to enforce them. That is OUR call and we have every right to do so, just as the players can kneel and the NFL can ignore their own guidelines. Edited by isamuelson, Nov 17 2017, 01:10 PM.
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| rccolts | Nov 17 2017, 02:57 PM Post #6 |
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You most certainly do, I did not say you didn't. I am actually in agreement with this. I merely pointed that if you attempt to stop them then it is you who are now violating their freedoms which is in conflict with what our flag stands for. And this is what Jerry Jones has attempted. |
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| MrCCCs | Nov 17 2017, 06:07 PM Post #7 |
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Jerry Jones has the right to stop the players on his team, and the NFL has the right to stop all the players. They are employees and represent the organization, so the organization has the right to dictate what they say and do as representatives of their business. Not sure if that's what you meant by violating their freedoms, but wanted to make sure that making them stand for the national anthem before a game is not violating their freedom. |
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| rccolts | Nov 17 2017, 11:18 PM Post #8 |
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You are correct because the players are paid employees of the NFL. But that does not change the fact that it is a suppression of their 'freedom of expression', which is in conflict with what the American flag stands for - freedom. Thus my initial ironic comment. |
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| advanced32 | Nov 18 2017, 01:41 AM Post #9 |
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I can think of several occasions where I asked employees to curb what they said out loud. In fact, what they said was true but in the moment and in the circumstances I deemed it inappropriate. I held conferences with them first and when they did it again....they were gone. These weren't protest situations but they could have been. Protests when you are at work can be dealt with the employers....period. Roll that around in yer heads guys. This shit is a choice on all sides. Players can choose to protest but the team management can limit it in any way they see fit. This ain't a damn 1st amendment issue. Remember the lady on her bike who flipped off Trumps motorcade and was fired? She wasn't even at work but she put it on facebook or twitter and her employers had rules against such. When you accept money for your work they can have a say how you behave and how you reflect on their company. The NFL officially doesn't give a damn what I think. Neither does the Indy Colts. F***'em both!! |
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| Coltny | Nov 18 2017, 12:42 PM Post #10 |
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I think that I see where you are coming from and I agree. They are employees, and they are protesting in their workplace. See how far that would get everyone here if they did likewise. All, or most, employees have employee handbooks containing the rules of the workplace. You break them, you suffer the consequence. If it is in NFL rules to stand at attention, they should have to, period. If they want to protest, let them protest on their own front lawns. That wouldn't go far... Let's face it, these guys see themselves as the bread & butter of the owners and that they have a lot of pull. That may be true, but they forgot about the fan, who pays their salary and fills the stadiums. I just don't have any sympathy for what these guys are doing. |
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| Rjinda | Nov 18 2017, 01:08 PM Post #11 |
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Yup! A real class act! https://www.yahoo.com/sports/cowboys-jerry-jones-apologizes-racially-insensitive-video-surfaces-233836402.html |
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| BlueShoes1 | Nov 18 2017, 01:26 PM Post #12 |
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I'm in the camp that says the players have a right to protest however they want. I could make an argument that some of the players may, in fact, be kneeling as an expression of sorrow for the flag and the anthem -- that those things are being dishonored by our country's failure to abide by its promises to ALL citizens. Having said that, the NFL could add a new rule and eliminate the problem by stating that teams will not come onto the field until after the opening ceremonies have concluded (what I believe was the situation prior to 2009). That effectively would eliminate the grandstanding opportunity, would allow paying customers to honor the ceremonies and get all the TV cameras off the players during the anthem. Just my two cents. I gave up watching most games not because of any protesting but because, for the last few years, I've begun to feel that the NFL has become like the NBA in the way the game is presented. It's become a game all about "me", flashiness in uniforms, and celebration ceremonies not to mention hesitant officiating and endless commercial breaks. |
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| TheDodo | Nov 18 2017, 06:46 PM Post #13 |
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That is a myth. Prior to 2009 there was just no rule that required them to be out there. 99.9% of the time all players were out there anyways. The only change in 2009 was the NFL required players to do what they already were doing. |
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| MikeB | Nov 18 2017, 07:15 PM Post #14 |
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Advanced, I live in Arlington TX and have done so for 26 years. I have been a Colts fan for 50+ years. I supported Jerry Jones' stance on the anthem until I found out the main reason he does is apparently economic; he expressed to the Cowboy players that by not standing they are costing themselves money. That is NOT the right reason to stand for the anthem. The right reason is that not standing is disrespecting the flag and what it stands for; nothing else. I also do not agree with his stand against Goodell. Goodell has made mistakes but Jerry thinks he runs the NFL and has the power to make the other owners do everything his way. He won't admit it but the main reason he wants all the owners to vote on Goodell's extension is that he is mad at Goodell for suspending Elliott end of story. He voted along with all of the other owners in a 32-0 vote to allow a 6 man committee to decide on Goodell's contract extension and salary etc but when Goodell suspended Zeke his support for the committee suddenly changed. A lot of people say Goodell shouldn't be paid 48 million dollars under a new contract. But do you realize he was already getting 41 million under the existing contract. Personally I don't think anyone and that includes football players should be getting paid what they are making but given the fact that the owners and the NFL make billions of dollars that put's Goodell's request in perspective. Also, do the owners want to have a new commissioner? Who would that be? Jones is an egotist of the first order and I believe because he is getting older and wants another title before he dies is why he is so mad at Goodell. Zeke's suspension will probably ruin the Cowboys chances for a SB this year. The pros and cons of whether or not the NFL should have suspended Zeke in the first place is an entirely another issue and would take a lot of space and time to discuss. MikeB |
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| advanced32 | Nov 18 2017, 11:25 PM Post #15 |
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Mike, you obviously know a lot more about Jones than I do. Why he wants his players to stand is irrelevant to me. However, I find it odd that you can't understand why Jones being concerned about the economic impact of the players kneeling isn't one of an owners responsibilities. If he wasn't concerned about it...he would be a fool. This reminds me of something.... A few years ago I purchased a Honda Crosstour, a hatchback that was perfect for hauling my golf clubs around. I liked that about the car but when a friend asked me why I decided on a Crosstour my first response was that it was crimson in color...like my favorite college FB team. I told my wife I wanted it because I loved the light tan leather interior and the backup camera. Fact is...they were all good reason to make that purchase. Oh yea, the money was right too. So, if I'm being talked about and someone were to say, "Hey I heard advanced32 purchased a car a few yrs ago just because it was crimson like his football team"...would that be exactly right? I submit Mr Jones has multiple reasons for his position on players kneeling. |
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| CanadianColtsFan | Nov 19 2017, 06:52 PM Post #16 |
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The NFLs ratings are not down because players are kneeling for the national anthem. People can keep thinking that if it makes them feel better though I guess. |
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| Gary1888 | Nov 19 2017, 09:35 PM Post #17 |
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There are many reasons the ratings are down and the protest are definitely amongst those reasons. I know people who have totally tuned out the NFL for that reason. So to say it isn't a factor is pretty naïve. |
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| cedjss | Nov 19 2017, 11:10 PM Post #18 |
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In my small world I know of 4 people that no longer watch the NFL cause of the kneeling Marshawn Lynch, what a punk Edited by cedjss, Nov 19 2017, 11:11 PM.
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| MrCCCs | Nov 20 2017, 08:42 AM Post #19 |
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Jones is a turd. But even a turd can rise to the top on occasion. That's a terrible analogy. Anyways, the NFL is a product that markets itself around patriotism and support for our troops among other things. The protests infringe upon that marketing and thus reduce the value of the product. Value drops, business seeks to correct, end of story. The rest is just people hollering, myself among them. We will just have to see how much the NFL decides to adapt to the market. |
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Nov 20 2017, 11:07 AM Post #20 |
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This is from a liberal publication so of course take that into consideration, but it's a valid point. The truth is, NASCAR and the NFL’s ratings decline are related — just not because of partisan politics. Both sports have been impacted by the changing television landscape — viewership is down pretty much across the board, mainly due to the endless cable and streaming options available to consumers in today’s landscape. And both NASCAR and the NFL have seen a plethora of rule changes and safety concerns over the past decade impact their entertainment value. https://thinkprogress.org/nascar-provides-the-ultimate-proof-that-the-nfls-rating-decline-isnt-because-of-politics-8825ba535701/ |
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Nov 20 2017, 12:02 PM Post #21 |
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Rule changes have been the big ones. I want my gladiators fighting each other, not playing pattycake. It's going to end up being a league of Madden so nobody ends up hurt. And the crazy thing is that there seems to be MORE injuries now than ever.
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| CanadianColtsFan | Nov 20 2017, 03:30 PM Post #22 |
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A small factor maybe. Primetime tv ratings in general are down a higher % than NFL ratings. The way people consume entertainment is the biggest reason for NFL ratings drop. Streaming and dowloading are way up. Cable-cutting is more and more popular. Increase in popularity of other sports like the NBA that never used to even hold a candle to the NFL. |
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| Rjinda | Nov 20 2017, 04:16 PM Post #23 |
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CCFAN, You may be right. While I'm not in agreement with the kneeling, I understand people think differently than I do. It hasn't bothered me enough to stop watching games and rooting for the Colts. I will say that I have seen some incremental evidence that a fairly significant number of people have stopped watching for this very reason. I'm a member of a group of senior golfers who play weekly. I'd say about a third of our membership have stated that players kneeling has been the reason they have stopped watching the NFL. There is also a large retirement organization that I am not a part of but many of my friends are. In my area there are thousands of members and they have organized blackouts of games and I think a lot of their members participate in them and I live in Liberal California! |
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Nov 20 2017, 06:02 PM Post #24 |
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The second part disproves the first. If the NFL ratings are down because of cord-cutting and things of that nature, why are NBA ratings on the rise? NBA ratings should be effected just the same as NFL ratings if only outside factors were to blame. |
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| Gary1888 | Nov 20 2017, 08:33 PM Post #25 |
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Actually, cord cutting would have less of an impact on the NFL ratings than on the NBA. Every NFL team is on local over the air TV...no cord needed. Very few NBA teams, if any, can say that. |
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Nov 21 2017, 09:08 AM Post #26 |
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I cut the cord and only get my local CBS and NBC affiliates. And where I live, the Colts are on only occasionally, so I rarely watch games on Sunday afternoons, at least not like I used to. It's partly cord cutting, but more to do with me just being less interested in the NFL (probably has as much to do with the Patriots winning and being presented as the model franchise, as it does anything). I know some buddies just watch Red Zone, but that's never appealed to me either. |
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Nov 21 2017, 10:09 AM Post #27 |
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Red Zone is the only way to watch football on Sundays. No commercials and nothing but important plays. |
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Nov 21 2017, 12:06 PM Post #28 |
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I think to watch red zone you have to be into fantasy football and/or care about the other games. When the Colts stink, I don't really care about the other teams. |
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| Moner Hot | Nov 21 2017, 03:11 PM Post #29 |
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This is the first year I’ve watched red zone. The QB matchups are so awful that I rarely watch a full non-Colts game now. At least the redzone channel drums up some interest. I can’t watch 3 straight hours of Bortles, Savage, Flacco, Kizer So-So, Dalton, Peterman, Cutler, McCown, Osweiler, Fitzpatrick, Keenum, Hundley, Trubisky, Gabbert, or Beathard.. |
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| CanadianColtsFan | Nov 21 2017, 10:50 PM Post #30 |
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Are NBA ratings on the rise? I honestly don't know. I was speaking to popularity in general. |
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