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Colts vs Cardinals game thread
Topic Started: Nov 24 2013, 11:35 AM (1,977 Views)
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This win would be a big step toward clinching the division.
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NEcoltfan
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I am beginning to wonder if this team deserves to go to the playoffs. I am also beginning to wonder if they can make it to the playoffs. They have to play Tenn, which plays pretty good, KC and Cincy. All of those may be losses. I would count the Jax and Houston games as wins but right now, I am not even sure they can win those games. They look like a team that is 4-7 instead of a team that is 7-4.
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Weatherman
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Nov 24 2013, 07:49 PM
I do think Pagano is a good coach, but appears to lack the consistency to be great. However, this is a trait that many NFL head coaches have. He isn't going anywhere and it's only his 2nd season and will continue to get better. The question becomes loyalty...will he be willing to make the necessary changes if coaches/players aren't getting the job done.
Can you give me anything to prove that Pagano shows signs of a good coach?
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Nov 24 2013, 07:52 PM
The fact is just being a "good" coach is extremely difficult in the NFL...
You are absolutely right. We're frustrated about a team with a winning record that will most likely win the division! Still, the team we have witnessed the last month is a cause for concern and it hopefully won't stay this way.
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Nov 24 2013, 07:35 PM
Pagano made playoffs in 1st year. We are in 1st place this year. We have beaten 49ers, Hawks, and Broncos plus all 3 teams in our division on road.
Very impressive
Pagano was 2-2 with a playoff loss for 2-3 last year.
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Carson Palmer on the day - 26/37. That's awful defense!!!!!
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Nov 24 2013, 08:00 PM
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Nov 24 2013, 07:49 PM
I do think Pagano is a good coach, but appears to lack the consistency to be great. However, this is a trait that many NFL head coaches have. He isn't going anywhere and it's only his 2nd season and will continue to get better. The question becomes loyalty...will he be willing to make the necessary changes if coaches/players aren't getting the job done.
Can you give me anything to prove that Pagano shows signs of a good coach?
Hasn't lost back to back games and has defeated arguably the best 2 teams in the league. I'm disappointed in the lackluster play lately as well, but there are a lot of weak areas on the roster right now. This team is just 2 years removed from a 2 win campaign and is most likely going to the playoffs again. Arians had a major role in this is well, but I certainly don't believe that Pagano is a slouch at this point in his head coaching career.
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Titans are going to beat Oakland.
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cedjss
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This year he is 7-4 two years removed from being the worse team in NFL.
Not trying to get in a debate on him being good or great, just he has earned a chance to be here next year. We have seen some good things this year. Today we sucked. Two weeks ago we sucked.
We have got to improve.
I hope like hell we can
Next week will be a good look to see where we are
At home, against our top division foe.
Better come out hot
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I don't expect Pagano to be fired, but I do expect some adjustments to be made. He's a defensive coach and right now our defense, which doesn't have nearly as many injuries as the offense, is getting shredded.
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Weatherman
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Pagano will not take this team to the show. Mark my words.
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Nov 24 2013, 08:09 PM
Titans are going to beat Oakland.
A win next week will essentially wrap up the division. We can still back our way in with a loss, but we need to earn it outright to gain confidence and not leave the door open for the Titans.
Weatherman
Nov 24 2013, 08:16 PM
Pagano will not take this team to the show. Mark my words.
You also didn't think we'd come back and defeat the Texans :devil: Seriously though, it's not easy getting a team to The Show. I definitely agree that it won't be this season. Let's see what he can do with more talent and a relatively healthy roster.
Edited by ColtsVille, Nov 24 2013, 08:24 PM.
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IronPony1965
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Nov 24 2013, 08:08 PM
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Nov 24 2013, 08:00 PM
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Nov 24 2013, 07:49 PM
I do think Pagano is a good coach, but appears to lack the consistency to be great. However, this is a trait that many NFL head coaches have. He isn't going anywhere and it's only his 2nd season and will continue to get better. The question becomes loyalty...will he be willing to make the necessary changes if coaches/players aren't getting the job done.
Can you give me anything to prove that Pagano shows signs of a good coach?
Hasn't lost back to back games and has defeated arguably the best 2 teams in the league. I'm disappointed in the lackluster play lately as well, but there are a lot of weak areas on the roster right now. This team is just 2 years removed from a 2 win campaign and is most likely going to the playoffs again. Arians had a major role in this is well, but I certainly don't believe that Pagano is a slouch at this point in his head coaching career.


Agreed.
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Could be worse. We could be getting blown out by the Roughriders in the Grey Cup.
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Nov 24 2013, 08:08 PM
Weatherman
Nov 24 2013, 08:00 PM
ColtsVille
Nov 24 2013, 07:49 PM
I do think Pagano is a good coach, but appears to lack the consistency to be great. However, this is a trait that many NFL head coaches have. He isn't going anywhere and it's only his 2nd season and will continue to get better. The question becomes loyalty...will he be willing to make the necessary changes if coaches/players aren't getting the job done.
Can you give me anything to prove that Pagano shows signs of a good coach?
Hasn't lost back to back games and has defeated arguably the best 2 teams in the league. I'm disappointed in the lackluster play lately as well, but there are a lot of weak areas on the roster right now. This team is just 2 years removed from a 2 win campaign and is most likely going to the playoffs again. Arians had a major role in this is well, but I certainly don't believe that Pagano is a slouch at this point in his head coaching career.
Those may be signs that you have talent, but the fact he doesn't get the most out of his talent most weeks is a sign of not being a very good coach. You don't beat the Broncos then get destroyed by the Rams when you have a good coach. That is a coach who can't get his team ready to play for every opponent no matter who they are. Every one gets up for the best, you don't have to have a good coach to get players up for a big game. You do need to be a good coach to get players up for the Rams. Unless you are telling me Reggie Wayne is the best player in football, I haven't seen anything this season to suggest Pagano or Pep are good coaches. Yeah this team is injured, it has holes, but we have more talent than how this team is performing. If I hadn't seen how this team played against the best competition I would think this team was on par with the Jags. This team shouldn't look like they are on par with the Jags.

A good coach shouldn't be judged on wins and loses, a good coach should be judged on his ability to get the most out of his players week in and week out. You might have the occasional let down no matter the coach, but those let downs don't turn into trends. Good coaches consistently have their players ready and prepared on the first play of the game. They understand the skill set of their players, and play towards their skill sets. Good coaches have their players showing discipline on the field, not making many mental errors that result in stupid penalties. They make good half time adjustments. Good coaches have good play calling, and are not super predictable. When a player continuously makes the same mistake over and over again, they do something about it.

Out of all of those only one of them describe out coaches, at least up until last week, and that is not making stupid penalties. I would say sometimes the defense makes good adjustments at half time, but the offense, maybe it is just me, doesn't seem to want to make adjustments. They seem to only make adjustments because they have to. After a while you would think the coaches would catch onto what works and what doesn't, and go with what works at the beginning of the game. No they don't, they go right back to the same stuff that simply does not work with how this team is built, I'm not convinced it is a good style in the NFL to begin with.

So yeah tell yourself that because this team has a good record that they are well coached just because there is a weak area or two. Normally coaches try to adjust to those weak areas to hide them. We do the opposite.
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Nov 24 2013, 07:07 PM
On the last TD, Kelvin Sheppard was in. Why? He is sorry against the run
34 to 3 to Cards. Teams lose, but to look pathetic against the Rams and Cards and Chargers.
The 3 teams you mentioned have all been playing very, very well lately. Certainly better than we have. I know we have a better record than they do, but all of them are showing better week to week than we are right now. Record isn't everything. With injuries and parity, it's a lot about who's playing well RIGHT NOW.
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I'm not a Broncos fan but it is nice to see Peyton Manning kick the shit out of the Patriots.
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There are good coaches in the NFL who have the same issues though. Harbaugh, Coughlin, and Tomlin to name a few this season. I'm disappointed with the effort lately too, but this current roster isn't good enough to be a contender. If you are going to discredit a coach for a lousy game, then you have to give them props whenever they win a game they shouldn't as well. I'm more concerned about our scheme, which seems to be an agenda that is being forced from the top. Irsay says that Star Wars numbers don't win multiple championships, but it certainly was fun to watch as a fan. This offensive scheme is looking like Space Balls, because it won't work with the current personnel.
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IronPony1965
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Nov 24 2013, 10:16 PM
cedjss
Nov 24 2013, 07:07 PM
On the last TD, Kelvin Sheppard was in. Why? He is sorry against the run
34 to 3 to Cards. Teams lose, but to look pathetic against the Rams and Cards and Chargers.
The 3 teams you mentioned have all been playing very, very well lately. Certainly better than we have. I know we have a better record than they do, but all of them are showing better week to week than we are right now. Record isn't everything. With injuries and parity, it's a lot about who's playing well RIGHT NOW.
This is actually a very good point and not something i had considered. Post of the day.
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Coltny
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All I know is that Arians had no trouble whipping the big, bad monster - like a walk in the park.
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Timing is everything, and unfortunately for us, we lost our best coach to that same team that kicked our collective butts.
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I feel that losing Arians was substantial, because he was able to balance 2 roles successfully and brought a lot of experience to the table. He seems to have that competitive fire too and deserves a shot to be a head coach in the NFL. The caveat is that he wouldn't have gotten this opportunity and would still most likely be here if Pagano didn't have to take a leave of absence last season. Arians certainly has the better team right now and that was a bitter pill to swallow yesterday.
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He's always been an excellent offensive mind, especially in the passing game. The Steelers were really stupid in letting him go. By all rights, he should still be their offensive coordinator. But good for him. Lady luck has shined down upon him. No pun.
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