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Book of Shadows - Spoiler Discussion; Pour out your very soul in this thread as you experience the horrors of Heavenly Host once again.
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Topic Started: June 10, 2014, 3:25 pm (11,699 Views)
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UberTag
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July 26, 2014, 6:18 pm
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- July 26, 2014, 6:13 pm
- SkyBird027
- July 26, 2014, 5:58 pm
Response to 7thPhantom's Questions -They sort of died. Ayumi escaped HH with the Sachiko spirit under Kuon's plea and their images becomes black like Seiko and the others. After Ayumi gets the BoS though, she goes back in time before they were "killed". -Magali is alive. Misuto dies after Satsuki, with her monster head, eats his head. -Satsuki's role, I'm not too sure. She came with Yuka after Misuto brought them to HH. Kuon is kinda a higher sect member of the Wiccan Institute (I'm not sure. Please correct if I'm wrong.) She has powers and I think it kills her when she uses them too much. -The first Shinozaki isn't the black-eyed demon, that is Sachi, Sachiko's twin that didn't get born and was absorbed by Sachiko. The first Shinozaki's name isn't confirmd, but maybe the family tree of the Shinozaki's can give light to that. -The final battle is more choosing the right button to press. The boss shows runes and you have to use the right set of runes to attack her properly. Also, you are protected by 4 spirits, the Kisaragis who've died. Please correct me if I'm wrong about some.
Spoiler: click to toggle Wait I see a plot hole. If Ayumi is able to go back in time before they die with the BoS, why doesn't she just use the BoS to go back in time before the festival and stop the sachiko charm from even happening in the first place effectively saving everybody?
Spoiler: click to toggle We may need to wait for better translations to get an understanding as to what happened. This was more of Sachiko's decision to reverse time than Ayumi's and I'm guessing reversing time to go that far back is easier said than done given the sacrifice involved. They couldn't even go back early enough in that day to stop Satsuki from being turned into a re-animated skull muncher and Yuka from being corrupted. Ayumi barely got back in time to save Aiko.
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Skybird
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July 26, 2014, 6:20 pm
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- bigboom
- July 26, 2014, 6:13 pm
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- July 26, 2014, 5:58 pm
Response to 7thPhantom's Questions -They sort of died. Ayumi escaped HH with the Sachiko spirit under Kuon's plea and their images becomes black like Seiko and the others. After Ayumi gets the BoS though, she goes back in time before they were "killed". -Magali is alive. Misuto dies after Satsuki, with her monster head, eats his head. -Satsuki's role, I'm not too sure. She came with Yuka after Misuto brought them to HH. Kuon is kinda a higher sect member of the Wiccan Institute (I'm not sure. Please correct if I'm wrong.) She has powers and I think it kills her when she uses them too much. -The first Shinozaki isn't the black-eyed demon, that is Sachi, Sachiko's twin that didn't get born and was absorbed by Sachiko. The first Shinozaki's name isn't confirmd, but maybe the family tree of the Shinozaki's can give light to that. -The final battle is more choosing the right button to press. The boss shows runes and you have to use the right set of runes to attack her properly. Also, you are protected by 4 spirits, the Kisaragis who've died. Please correct me if I'm wrong about some.
Spoiler: click to toggle Wait I see a plot hole. If Ayumi is able to go back in time before they die with the BoS, why doesn't she just use the BoS to go back in time before the festival and stop the sachiko charm from even happening in the first place effectively saving everybody?
Spoiler: click to toggle Considering we weren't able to read much of the text, I can only guess for now. Even having acquired the Book of Shadows, Ayumi wasn't even able to use it much for anything. The only major thing she did with it is the final battle, the time travel aside. It was also noted by Sachiko that Ayumi did not really know how to use the powers of the Book of Shadows, seeing as even flying is a huge struggle for her. This may have limited her ability to time travel back to before they did the charm.
Basically, Ayumi doesn't really get how to use the BoS much, so this all she probably can do. Also, what Ubertag said.
Edited by Skybird, July 26, 2014, 6:21 pm.
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MasterNemesis
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July 26, 2014, 6:21 pm
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@Phantom There is a mistyping in your Signature. You mistyped Arigatou Gozaimasu ;3
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July 26, 2014, 6:22 pm
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uuuhhhh....isn't that off-topic!?
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Time~ Space~ possibilities~ Timelines~ Parallel~ Truths~ Singularity~ Pluralism~.
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Seek a salvation.
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July 26, 2014, 6:25 pm
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- July 26, 2014, 6:22 pm
uuuhhhh....isn't that off-topic!? Psssst *whispers* nobody needs to know <.< Off-topic is allowed as long as it is short and does not last long.
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July 26, 2014, 6:26 pm
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@Phantom and Sky That makes more sense. Thank you for clearing that up.
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July 26, 2014, 6:32 pm
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hm. yet something is strange.....
Spoiler: click to toggle is sachiko's twin. sachi or whatever her/his name is. the new master? and what engaged the final battle between ayumi and seirra!? was it a grudge match or the first shinozaki wanted to spread the curse!?
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Time~ Space~ possibilities~ Timelines~ Parallel~ Truths~ Singularity~ Pluralism~.
The Thought that transcends all the worlds will surely save this one~~
Seek a salvation.
 Made By Sky bird and Shigitou Burikaa. Arigatou Gozaimasoyo Sky-senpai! and thank you Shigitou-Nii
A Signature made by ShadowHakai  Made by ShadowHakai. Arigatou Gozaimasuyo Hakai-kun!
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Shigitou burikaa
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July 26, 2014, 6:54 pm
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give me a reason to care once more. new mod for the grt. -in sachiko I trust-
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This has nothing to do with BD. I'm just being a dumbass.
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July 26, 2014, 6:55 pm
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- July 26, 2014, 6:54 pm
This has nothing to do with BD. I'm just being a dumbass. Spoiler: click to toggle apples senseless ? lol hahaha *facepalm*
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July 26, 2014, 7:47 pm
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Spoiler for ending
Spoiler: click to toggle I just can't stop thinking about Ayumi's state in the ending. I know that Yoshiki will have to take care of her but is there anything there at all? Can she move on her own? Are you bodily functions still in working or would she have to have medical equipment assistance? Is she aware of anything? For example, when Yoshiki is talking to her at the beginning of Dead Patient can she actually understand him or is basically just talking to the air? I kinda wish that she'll be able to function a little bit, able to move her head towards sound or movement, perhaps able to move her hands a bit but who knows. I've seen people saying that they're boyfriend and girlfriend but he's still calling her Shinozaki in Dead Patient so we know that he at the very least doesn't feel that they're at a point where a first name basis is acceptable.
I also get really sad when I think about how hard it's going to be for Yoshiki in this situation. Yes, Ayumi's in this state and he never really got to know how she feels about him but there's more to it than that. There's so much work that goes into taking care of someone like this. They need to have someone taking care of their pretty much all the time so unless he has someone come in to help he'd have to find some way to work from home. Not to mention that he's 17. Before this he was barely making it on his own affording a cheap apartment with the pay from his part-time job. Say that he quits school, (which already is sad because his whole reason for falling for Ayumi in the first place was because of the speech she gave him about finishing high school no matter what) he'd still have to find someway to support both of them and care for her. Could you imagine that suddenly being thrown upon you? And he has no one to fall back to help him. We see in Dead Patient that he apparently is successful but the thought of how much he would've had to struggle to get to that point is tear jerking. I suppose there's the possibility that they're living at a nursing home or rehabilitation clinic and that he's getting help from there but that situation would cost money too.
And all the time, even though he's having to do so much and so much is riding on his shoulders, he'd be thinking about Ayumi's feelings the whole time, how much she's suffering and whether or not she's happy because that's how he is. Ayumi felt responsible for everything that's happened throughout the series because her family was the cause of it and made the choice to sacrifice herself to save the others but Yoshiki wasn't at all connected to what happened. He just gave everything because the thought of forgetting her was a far worse scenario to him. The scale of sacrifice Yoshiki made in this ending, is there any possible doubt why he's so many people's favorite?
I know I'm overthinking things but that's how you know when a story is good, right? When it touches you this deeply and makes you think this much?
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