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Book of Shadows - Spoiler Discussion; Pour out your very soul in this thread as you experience the horrors of Heavenly Host once again.
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August 2, 2014, 8:44 am
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I should add this as well to this section so that the cg section wouldn't be cluttered by theories
Ayumi once asked who Kuon is... She told Aiko that the tenjin survivors didn't know kuon much as an assistant teacher... She even described it as we dont "Remember"
Remember that Yui was replaced by a guy assistant teacher?
What are your thoughts about it?
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August 2, 2014, 8:48 am
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- DeathkaiserG
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I should add this as well to this section so that the cg section wouldn't be cluttered by theories
Ayumi once asked who Kuon is... She told Aiko that the tenjin survivors didn't know kuon much as an assistant teacher... She even described it as we dont "Remember"
Remember that Yui was replaced by a guy assistant teacher?
What are your thoughts about it?
Spoiler: click to toggle Perhaps there wasn't really much to remember since Kuon probably became the assistance homeroom teacher only recently? After the Kisaragis' escape from HH, Yui was replaced by Matsuda, which took the AHT role probably since the beginning of their year now. Between the 2 months gap of BR and BD, it's possible that Kuon only became the AHT recently, therefore making it that they "don't remember" since she's only been with them recently. Of course, this is without much knowledge on the text of the game. 
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August 2, 2014, 8:58 am
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- August 2, 2014, 8:48 am
- DeathkaiserG
- August 2, 2014, 8:44 am
I should add this as well to this section so that the cg section wouldn't be cluttered by theories
Ayumi once asked who Kuon is... She told Aiko that the tenjin survivors didn't know kuon much as an assistant teacher... She even described it as we dont "Remember"
Remember that Yui was replaced by a guy assistant teacher?
What are your thoughts about it?
Spoiler: click to toggle Perhaps there wasn't really much to remember since Kuon probably became the assistance homeroom teacher only recently? After the Kisaragis' escape from HH, Yui was replaced by Matsuda, which took the AHT role probably since the beginning of their year now. Between the 2 months gap of BR and BD, it's possible that Kuon only became the AHT recently, therefore making it that they "don't remember" since she's only been with them recently. Of course, this is without much knowledge on the text of the game. 
Spoiler: click to toggle To specify what Ayumi said... "We, the Tenjin survivors group, to tell you the truth, we don't know her... More like... We have no memories of her" The fact that Kioku word was used bothers me... (Meaning memory, recollection, remembrance) EDIT She wouldn't really used wordings like that... If what you said is true... She could just say directly "could you tell me something about kuon sensei" plus Aiko said a lot of high level kanji after the conversation...makes it more fishy... EDIT2 Aiko replied to what ayumi said "as an Assistant teacher?" Ayumi then said "Yes"
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August 3, 2014, 3:49 am
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Spoiler: click to toggle is it me or..when ayumi encountered the first shinozaki in the final chapter.
Did ayumi say:"Anataga..."Nehan" no ishi!?"
if she said that so it translates:"Are you...the will of the Nehan?" since Ishi means will and probably Nehan means queen. so it translates:"Are you..the will of the Nehan!?" or "Are you...the will of the queen!?"
just wanted to point to that thing. after i saw chapter 10 in twitch..i heard ayumi say that by accident. just wanted to know if what i thought is right
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August 3, 2014, 6:18 am
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After finished watching Blood Drive...
Spoiler: click to toggle I think the ending really fits the series. Of course I would have like an ending where everyone is alive again, but then it wouldn't be Corpse Party. This ending is perfect, but really bittersweet. Sure enough, Naomi isn't considered crazy anymore by her mother, but now the pain of losing their loved ones will be felt by those who previously didn't remember (Mayu's parents, Seiko's siblings, Tsukasa, etc). Strange enough I feel especially bad for Ayumi's parents. Hinoe is dead, and they can't remember their other daughter. I thought Ayumi's dad will have a bigger role since he's a Shinozaki, but I guess not. Kinda feel bad for Miki, too. She got mentioned a few times in the game, but now she won't remember she has an older brother. I think Yoshiki will still remember, but then again that just makes it worse for him.
Overall I really enjoyed this series. Still, I feel that there is plenty of room for development especially with some of the other characters like Azusa and Inumaru. I know Inumaru has spiritual powers, but what's up with his darkening? Now I kind of wish they make another spin-off (but actually canon) series like 2U.
Some questions I had regarding dead patient and BD manga:
Spoiler: click to toggle 1. I heard people have been saying that Dead Patient is set 5 years after, but where exactly did this information come from? I've been looking at the official website, but can't seem to find it. 2. Has anyone uploaded the whole BD prologue manga? Or know where I can read them?
About what 7thPhantom said...
Spoiler: click to toggle Nehan actually translates to "Nirvana", while Queen seems to be the girl's name (if the name on the text box is anything to go by). I can't confirm if she is the first Shinozaki, but this Queen does seem to be the one that Sachiko was referring to when she mentioned "the person who holds the Nehan's core".
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August 3, 2014, 6:35 am
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The fully overblown Game Layer Theory I present you the Game as Layers theory. This theory would present the possibility of the games and some of the mangas as a layer as well You know how heavenly host is made up of different layers of closed spaces that has a warped sense of time. But what if that spaces isnt restricted at all to the game itself? But rather all of the games are a part of its layers. the ID tags themselves present a possibility. For example, in BD, they said after the escape, the Sachiko ever after don't work anymore... But why then we still get a lot of name tags? When most of them died in the real world? Also there are Points in time that people vaguely remember stuffs like The skeleton doll or the Auditorium (in the first time yoshiki enter there). Plus we can also see Azusa who remembers kishinuma. So 2U is canon... A layer of heavenly host. How bout BoS? Both BD openings uses the CGs of BoS... Check it. Why would they add BoS CGs if they have nothing to do with Blood Drive at all.. This open up the possibilty of BoS being canon as well. But BoS is mostly made up of Bad Ends... So therefore All of the possibility of Bad ends being canon is true including Blood Covered's End as well. Might as well add the Mangas in the possibility.... Since they are closely related to their games. And can be seen as an Another Ends.... That includes possibly Another child as well.. (Not sure though cause i havent read AC yet  not includingmusume though) Long story short.... Everything that has an HH in it is canon HH is really made out of three thousand worlds xD
Haha..  I think I overdid it xD
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August 3, 2014, 8:03 am
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The fully overblown Game Layer Theory I present you the Game as Layers theory. This theory would present the possibility of the games and some of the mangas as a layer as well You know how heavenly host is made up of different layers of closed spaces that has a warped sense of time. But what if that spaces isnt restricted at all to the game itself? But rather all of the games are a part of its layers. the ID tags themselves present a possibility. For example, in BD, they said after the escape, the Sachiko ever after don't work anymore... But why then we still get a lot of name tags? When most of them died in the real world? Also there are Points in time that people vaguely remember stuffs like The skeleton doll or the Auditorium (in the first time yoshiki enter there). Plus we can also see Azusa who remembers kishinuma. So 2U is canon... A layer of heavenly host. How bout BoS? Both BD openings uses the CGs of BoS... Check it. Why would they add BoS CGs if they have nothing to do with Blood Drive at all.. This open up the possibilty of BoS being canon as well. But BoS is mostly made up of Bad Ends... So therefore All of the possibility of Bad ends being canon is true including Blood Covered's End as well. Might as well add the Mangas in the possibility.... Since they are closely related to their games. And can be seen as an Another Ends.... That includes possibly Another child as well.. (Not sure though cause i havent read AC yet  not includingmusume though) Long story short.... Everything that has an HH in it is canon HH is really made out of three thousand worlds xD Haha..  I think I overdid it xD Lol that's an interesting theory. I do have my own theory about what's going on though I'm not sure how to convey them But I'll list some things that I've noticed from the games.
Spoiler: click to toggle 1. Just as you said, Blood Drive practically scream that 2U is canon. 2. Is BoS canon? Initially I didn't think so, but given that 2U is canon, there is actually high possibility that the whole of BoS is canon as well. This is because of the "loop" that is mentioned in 2U. Most of BoS chapters could just be a retelling of one of these loops. Heck, even BC might be one of these loops, because... 3. In BC, one thing I've noticed is that when Naomi and Satoshi first entered the janitor room (or whatever it's called, basically the room where they watch the videos), Naomi felt de javu like she's been there before. And where do we ever see Naomi entering this room? That's right. BoS. And as far as I remember, Naomi didn't felt de javu in BoS when she entered the room. 4. With the loops it also means that the Bad Ends might be canon as well. I think this is a high possibility, especially as BD's 2nd OP uses some CGs from BC Bad Ends. 5. So how come some people still live? My theory is that this is because of what Sachiko refers to as "fate" in 2U. And I think this "fate" is highly tied with the pieces of the Sachiko Ever After Charm. I think basically those paper pieces prevented the people who are trapped there to be completely dead. In BoS chapter 6, after Sachiko killed Yuka, she changed her mind about taking Yuka's paper piece and said that she wants to play with her again. Which is why Yuka's fate isn't sealed, unlike Seiko or Mayu who lost their paper pieces. 6. Another Child is interesting because spoiler for the ending they escape with the same method without appeasing Sachiko but it didn't result in a time loop, unlike what happened in BC wrong end. For now I think of AC as a spin-off rather than canon. That's about all I remembered for now. Though I guess if you think about it, there are some inconsistencies here and there like if BoS chapter 1 predates BC (because Naomi's de javu), then how come Seiko's death is more gruesome there, etc.
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August 3, 2014, 8:53 am
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The fully overblown Game Layer Theory I present you the Game as Layers theory. This theory would present the possibility of the games and some of the mangas as a layer as well You know how heavenly host is made up of different layers of closed spaces that has a warped sense of time. But what if that spaces isnt restricted at all to the game itself? But rather all of the games are a part of its layers. the ID tags themselves present a possibility. For example, in BD, they said after the escape, the Sachiko ever after don't work anymore... But why then we still get a lot of name tags? When most of them died in the real world? Also there are Points in time that people vaguely remember stuffs like The skeleton doll or the Auditorium (in the first time yoshiki enter there). Plus we can also see Azusa who remembers kishinuma. So 2U is canon... A layer of heavenly host. How bout BoS? Both BD openings uses the CGs of BoS... Check it. Why would they add BoS CGs if they have nothing to do with Blood Drive at all.. This open up the possibilty of BoS being canon as well. But BoS is mostly made up of Bad Ends... So therefore All of the possibility of Bad ends being canon is true including Blood Covered's End as well. Might as well add the Mangas in the possibility.... Since they are closely related to their games. And can be seen as an Another Ends.... That includes possibly Another child as well.. (Not sure though cause i havent read AC yet  not includingmusume though) Long story short.... Everything that has an HH in it is canon HH is really made out of three thousand worlds xD Haha..  I think I overdid it xD
Lol that's an interesting theory. I do have my own theory about what's going on though I'm not sure how to convey them  But I'll list some things that I've noticed from the games. Spoiler: click to toggle 1. Just as you said, Blood Drive practically scream that 2U is canon. 2. Is BoS canon? Initially I didn't think so, but given that 2U is canon, there is actually high possibility that the whole of BoS is canon as well. This is because of the "loop" that is mentioned in 2U. Most of BoS chapters could just be a retelling of one of these loops. Heck, even BC might be one of these loops, because... 3. In BC, one thing I've noticed is that when Naomi and Satoshi first entered the janitor room (or whatever it's called, basically the room where they watch the videos), Naomi felt de javu like she's been there before. And where do we ever see Naomi entering this room? That's right. BoS. And as far as I remember, Naomi didn't felt de javu in BoS when she entered the room. 4. With the loops it also means that the Bad Ends might be canon as well. I think this is a high possibility, especially as BD's 2nd OP uses some CGs from BC Bad Ends. 5. So how come some people still live? My theory is that this is because of what Sachiko refers to as "fate" in 2U. And I think this "fate" is highly tied with the pieces of the Sachiko Ever After Charm. I think basically those paper pieces prevented the people who are trapped there to be completely dead. In BoS chapter 6, after Sachiko killed Yuka, she changed her mind about taking Yuka's paper piece and said that she wants to play with her again. Which is why Yuka's fate isn't sealed, unlike Seiko or Mayu who lost their paper pieces. 6. Another Child is interesting because spoiler for the ending they escape with the same method without appeasing Sachiko but it didn't result in a time loop, unlike what happened in BC wrong end. For now I think of AC as a spin-off rather than canon. That's about all I remembered for now. Though I guess if you think about it, there are some inconsistencies here and there like if BoS chapter 1 predates BC (because Naomi's de javu), then how come Seiko's death is more gruesome there, etc.
Spoiler: click to toggle 1. Because 2U is canon... This is canon as well...  LOLZ 2+4 You can actually see a CG from mire in the 1st opening... You can see the CG of Satoshi killed by Tohko and the cg of Ryou killing by Death Stare in OP2.. Since BoS is basically bad ends that are connected with BC therefore BoS might be canon as well 3. No no...that dejavu from BC comes from the time she unconsciously killed Seiko.. And Naomi didnt have dejavu in BoS because Naomi had regain her memory prior to the groundhog day. 5. Yeah, maybe that's why. They didn't really die cause the scraps prevent them from dying.... Actually I've forgotten this matter so i didnt think about it xD Good one..  6. Haven't read AC but i guess it has to do with Saki appearing in that layer... Not all layers have the same characters for example in 2U... Azusa doesnt appears in BC layers... dont spoil AC though other than that xD - BoS CH. 1
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if BoS chapter 1 predates BC (because Naomi's de javu), then how come Seiko's death is more gruesome there, etc.
Umm..no.. That scenario is after the Loop end in CP...where Seiko died before... Therefore gruesome Yeah, I know it has lots o holes but I like it xD
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August 3, 2014, 9:04 am
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The fully overblown Game Layer Theory I present you the Game as Layers theory. This theory would present the possibility of the games and some of the mangas as a layer as well You know how heavenly host is made up of different layers of closed spaces that has a warped sense of time. But what if that spaces isnt restricted at all to the game itself? But rather all of the games are a part of its layers. the ID tags themselves present a possibility. For example, in BD, they said after the escape, the Sachiko ever after don't work anymore... But why then we still get a lot of name tags? When most of them died in the real world? Also there are Points in time that people vaguely remember stuffs like The skeleton doll or the Auditorium (in the first time yoshiki enter there). Plus we can also see Azusa who remembers kishinuma. So 2U is canon... A layer of heavenly host. How bout BoS? Both BD openings uses the CGs of BoS... Check it. Why would they add BoS CGs if they have nothing to do with Blood Drive at all.. This open up the possibilty of BoS being canon as well. But BoS is mostly made up of Bad Ends... So therefore All of the possibility of Bad ends being canon is true including Blood Covered's End as well. Might as well add the Mangas in the possibility.... Since they are closely related to their games. And can be seen as an Another Ends.... That includes possibly Another child as well.. (Not sure though cause i havent read AC yet  not includingmusume though) Long story short.... Everything that has an HH in it is canon HH is really made out of three thousand worlds xD Haha..  I think I overdid it xD
Lol that's an interesting theory. I do have my own theory about what's going on though I'm not sure how to convey them  But I'll list some things that I've noticed from the games. Spoiler: click to toggle 1. Just as you said, Blood Drive practically scream that 2U is canon. 2. Is BoS canon? Initially I didn't think so, but given that 2U is canon, there is actually high possibility that the whole of BoS is canon as well. This is because of the "loop" that is mentioned in 2U. Most of BoS chapters could just be a retelling of one of these loops. Heck, even BC might be one of these loops, because... 3. In BC, one thing I've noticed is that when Naomi and Satoshi first entered the janitor room (or whatever it's called, basically the room where they watch the videos), Naomi felt de javu like she's been there before. And where do we ever see Naomi entering this room? That's right. BoS. And as far as I remember, Naomi didn't felt de javu in BoS when she entered the room. 4. With the loops it also means that the Bad Ends might be canon as well. I think this is a high possibility, especially as BD's 2nd OP uses some CGs from BC Bad Ends. 5. So how come some people still live? My theory is that this is because of what Sachiko refers to as "fate" in 2U. And I think this "fate" is highly tied with the pieces of the Sachiko Ever After Charm. I think basically those paper pieces prevented the people who are trapped there to be completely dead. In BoS chapter 6, after Sachiko killed Yuka, she changed her mind about taking Yuka's paper piece and said that she wants to play with her again. Which is why Yuka's fate isn't sealed, unlike Seiko or Mayu who lost their paper pieces. 6. Another Child is interesting because spoiler for the ending they escape with the same method without appeasing Sachiko but it didn't result in a time loop, unlike what happened in BC wrong end. For now I think of AC as a spin-off rather than canon. That's about all I remembered for now. Though I guess if you think about it, there are some inconsistencies here and there like if BoS chapter 1 predates BC (because Naomi's de javu), then how come Seiko's death is more gruesome there, etc.
Spoiler: click to toggle 1. Because 2U is canon... This is canon as well...  LOLZ 2+4 You can actually see a CG from mire in the 1st opening... You can see the CG of Satoshi killed by Tohko and the cg of Ryou killing by Death Stare in OP2.. Since BoS is basically bad ends that are connected with BC therefore BoS might be canon as well 3. No no...that dejavu from BC comes from the time she unconsciously killed Seiko.. And Naomi didnt have dejavu in BoS because Naomi had regain her memory prior to the groundhog day. 5. Yeah, maybe that's why. They didn't really die cause the scraps prevent them from dying.... Actually I've forgotten this matter so i didnt think about it xD Good one..  6. Haven't read AC but i guess it has to do with Saki appearing in that layer... Not all layers have the same characters for example in 2U... Azusa doesnt appears in BC layers... dont spoil AC though other than that xD - BoS CH. 1
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if BoS chapter 1 predates BC (because Naomi's de javu), then how come Seiko's death is more gruesome there, etc.
Umm..no.. That scenario is after the Loop end in CP...where Seiko died before... Therefore gruesome Yeah, I know it has lots o holes but I like it xD
Spoiler: click to toggle Well maybe 2U, the mangas, anime, and bad endings are all cannon, maybe the true ending only happens afther all the bad stuff happend like in BoS, to unlock the blood drive prologue first you need to see all the bad endings, soo it could be that the true ending only happend because they learned from past mistakes and could change the events.
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August 3, 2014, 9:08 am
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Some questions I had regarding dead patient: Spoiler: click to toggle 1. I heard people have been saying that Dead Patient is set 5 years after, but where exactly did this information come from? I've been looking at the official website, but can't seem to find it.
Minor spoilers for Corpse Party 2: DEAD PATIENT. It is stated under the SYSTEM part of their official website. (Furthermore it is also included in their promotional description for PLAYISM.) It basically states: - Quote:
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New Cast of Characters! Continuing from Corpse Party BloodCovered ...Repeated Fear, this story features a new cast of characters. Set 5 years after the previous game, fresh victims have been ensnared and must survive in a closed space yet unseen. Not to mention that perhaps there is a link between this title and the in-production Corpse Party: BloodDrive game's story?
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