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Book of Shadows - Spoiler Discussion; Pour out your very soul in this thread as you experience the horrors of Heavenly Host once again.
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Topic Started: June 10, 2014, 3:25 pm (11,680 Views)
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shirokumo
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August 3, 2014, 9:38 am
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Spoiler: click to toggle 1. Because 2U is canon... This is canon as well...  LOLZ 2+4 You can actually see a CG from mire in the 1st opening... You can see the CG of Satoshi killed by Tohko and the cg of Ryou killing by Death Stare in OP2.. Since BoS is basically bad ends that are connected with BC therefore BoS might be canon as well 3. No no...that dejavu from BC comes from the time she unconsciously killed Seiko.. And Naomi didnt have dejavu in BoS because Naomi had regain her memory prior to the groundhog day. 5. Yeah, maybe that's why. They didn't really die cause the scraps prevent them from dying.... Actually I've forgotten this matter so i didnt think about it xD Good one..  6. Haven't read AC but i guess it has to do with Saki appearing in that layer... Not all layers have the same characters for example in 2U... Azusa doesnt appears in BC layers... dont spoil AC though other than that xD - BoS CH. 1
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if BoS chapter 1 predates BC (because Naomi's de javu), then how come Seiko's death is more gruesome there, etc.
Umm..no.. That scenario is after the Loop end in CP...where Seiko died before... Therefore gruesome Yeah, I know it has lots o holes but I like it xD
Spoiler: click to toggle 1. LOL! uh, I guess you can say it did happened, but whether for good or bad no one remembers it 3. Oohh I never thought of it that way. I thought that when Seiko heard the voice in BC, she just immediately met with a possessed Naomi. So does that mean before Naomi killed Seiko, that whole part where the two of them met again and rested in the custodian's closet actually happened in BC? Agh I might need to rewatch BoS again, but I guess it does explain why Naomi knows about the secret pathway behind the closet. Thanks for clearing that up! 6. I've only seen pictures of AC raws, so actually I'm not fully sure about what's going on myself 
and thank you enigmaopoeia for the information!
so that means
spoiler for BD ending Ayumi remains in that "state" for 5 years? that sucks
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DeathkaiserG
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August 3, 2014, 9:51 am
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Spoiler: click to toggle - Meca4
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Well maybe 2U, the mangas, anime, and bad endings are all cannon, maybe the true ending only happens afther all the bad stuff happend like in BoS, to unlock the blood drive prologue first you need to see all the bad endings, soo it could be that the true ending only happend because they learned from past mistakes and could change the events.
This is a nice interpretation of Blood Drive Prologue  - Shirokumo
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Oohh I never thought of it that way. I thought that when Seiko heard the voice in BC, she just immediately met with a possessed Naomi. So does that mean before Naomi killed Seiko, that whole part where the two of them met again and rested in the custodian's closet actually happened in BC? Agh I might need to rewatch BoS again, but I guess it does explain why Naomi knows about the secret pathway behind the closet. Thanks for clearing that up!
Let me clear this up... In BC, Seiko met possessed Naomi when she heard the voice...then goes straight up in the Girls bathroom and Seiko was killed by Naomi In BoS, (After Loop) Naomi regained her memories after the fight with Seiko. Then she immediately goes to Girls toilet and remembered the shortcut to custodians closet then Met with Seiko... They rested but Naomi was possessed and tries to kill Seiko again. But she regained her conciousness and rescued Seiko but Seiko was afraid and went straight to the piano wire and died...
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shirokumo
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August 3, 2014, 10:33 am
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- August 3, 2014, 9:51 am
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Let me clear this up...
In BC, Seiko met possessed Naomi when she heard the voice...then goes straight up in the Girls bathroom and Seiko was killed by Naomi
In BoS, (After Loop) Naomi regained her memories after the fight with Seiko. Then she immediately goes to Girls toilet and remembered the shortcut to custodians closet then Met with Seiko... They rested but Naomi was possessed and tries to kill Seiko again. But she regained her conciousness and rescued Seiko but Seiko was afraid and went straight to the piano wire and died...
Spoiler: click to toggle hmm I still don't fully get it. If in BC Seiko immediately met with possessed Naomi and they go straight to the girl's toilet...then why did Naomi felt de javu when she enters the custodian room? Or do you mean Naomi went through the shortcut in the custodian closet to hang Seiko?
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August 3, 2014, 10:38 am
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- shirokumo
- August 3, 2014, 10:33 am
- DeathkaiserG
- August 3, 2014, 9:51 am
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Let me clear this up...
In BC, Seiko met possessed Naomi when she heard the voice...then goes straight up in the Girls bathroom and Seiko was killed by Naomi
In BoS, (After Loop) Naomi regained her memories after the fight with Seiko. Then she immediately goes to Girls toilet and remembered the shortcut to custodians closet then Met with Seiko... They rested but Naomi was possessed and tries to kill Seiko again. But she regained her conciousness and rescued Seiko but Seiko was afraid and went straight to the piano wire and died...
Spoiler: click to toggle hmm I still don't fully get it. If in BC Seiko immediately met with possessed Naomi and they go straight to the girl's toilet...then why did Naomi felt de javu when she enters the custodian room? Or do you mean Naomi went through the shortcut in the custodian closet to hang Seiko?
Spoiler: click to toggle The custodian room is connrcted to the third floor... They entered the custodian room and went to the Girls Bathroom... That's why Naomi felt a deja vu when she went there with satoshi...
I just said straight to the girls bathroom, using the custodians closet route xD
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shirokumo
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August 3, 2014, 11:28 am
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that makes sense now. thanks!
Spoiler: click to toggle geez, Naomi why can't you just use the bloody stairs?!
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August 4, 2014, 2:37 am
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Sorry for the double post, but...
BD ending I just rewatched the ending, and I'm sure that last scene with Ayumi said it took place in Hinoe's room. What?! So Ayumi did go back to her house? But this raises so many questions. To start with do her parents even remember her? And who provided the wheelchair, eyepatch, etc??
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August 4, 2014, 3:29 am
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- August 4, 2014, 2:37 am
Sorry for the double post, but... BD ending I just rewatched the ending, and I'm sure that last scene with Ayumi said it took place in Hinoe's room. What?! So Ayumi did go back to her house? But this raises so many questions. To start with do her parents even remember her? And who provided the wheelchair, eyepatch, etc?? I totally didn't notice that haha..
Spoiler: click to toggle Proabably BoS was kind enough to change reality by giving her a home, and a wheelchair... retconning the other family out of the house... That's what ive thought bout the wheelchair
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August 4, 2014, 2:28 pm
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- August 4, 2014, 3:29 am
- shirokumo
- August 4, 2014, 2:37 am
Sorry for the double post, but... BD ending I just rewatched the ending, and I'm sure that last scene with Ayumi said it took place in Hinoe's room. What?! So Ayumi did go back to her house? But this raises so many questions. To start with do her parents even remember her? And who provided the wheelchair, eyepatch, etc??
I totally didn't notice that haha.. Spoiler: click to toggle Proabably BoS was kind enough to change reality by giving her a home, and a wheelchair... retconning the other family out of the house... That's what ive thought bout the wheelchair Ok, I have to jump in on this because I've been thinking about it as well. (End of BD spoilers)
Spoiler: click to toggle I originally thought that someone found Ayumi, took her to the hospital, and treated her like a Jane Doe because surely someone in her condition wouldn't have been able to get to where she is in the end on her own. It bothered me because, if she was being taken care of by someone, they would have answered the doorbell. For the BoS to simply change things to get her to where she was makes sense in that regard. However, it still doesn't explain how she's being taken care of unless the Bos is somehow taking care of all her needs as she sits there staring at a mirror all day.
To further this, Yoshiki finds Ayumi and presumably takes care of her as we see in DP. And this is where things start to bother me a little bit. If the BoS managed to conjure up medical care and housing, then does that mean it continues to do so or does it all fall on Yoshiki from that point on? I'm just trying to imagine a 17 year old having to do something like this by himself and it'd be a real struggle. I kinda want there to be a nurse or caretaker involved to some extent since I think Yoshiki would torture himself the thought that Ayumi would hate him for having to do things like dress her or, even worse, situations that involve the bathroom like bathing, using the bathroom, or her monthly cycle. We don't know if Ayumi's personality is still intact but just can't be outwardly portrayed or if she's just the barest form of consciousness (by which I mean conscious enough to react to things as seen by her reacting to Sachi in the mirror at the end but not to take interest in things) but Yoshiki would still know how she would have reacted to the idea of him doing those kinds of personal things for her so that would always be haunting him. It's not like he can get permission or approval from Ayumi, it'd just have to be done. Maybe the BoS can just make it where a nurse/caretaker comes by every now and then despite them not having money to pay. Does the BoS just magically change her clothes and restore her needs Sims cheats style? Sorry I know I'm being too realistic but this really did make me stop and wonder how everything works out
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August 4, 2014, 7:03 pm
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- nintendocat
- August 4, 2014, 2:28 pm
- DeathkaiserG
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- shirokumo
- August 4, 2014, 2:37 am
Sorry for the double post, but... BD ending I just rewatched the ending, and I'm sure that last scene with Ayumi said it took place in Hinoe's room. What?! So Ayumi did go back to her house? But this raises so many questions. To start with do her parents even remember her? And who provided the wheelchair, eyepatch, etc??
I totally didn't notice that haha.. Spoiler: click to toggle Proabably BoS was kind enough to change reality by giving her a home, and a wheelchair... retconning the other family out of the house... That's what ive thought bout the wheelchair
Ok, I have to jump in on this because I've been thinking about it as well. (End of BD spoilers) Spoiler: click to toggle I originally thought that someone found Ayumi, took her to the hospital, and treated her like a Jane Doe because surely someone in her condition wouldn't have been able to get to where she is in the end on her own. It bothered me because, if she was being taken care of by someone, they would have answered the doorbell. For the BoS to simply change things to get her to where she was makes sense in that regard. However, it still doesn't explain how she's being taken care of unless the Bos is somehow taking care of all her needs as she sits there staring at a mirror all day.
To further this, Yoshiki finds Ayumi and presumably takes care of her as we see in DP. And this is where things start to bother me a little bit. If the BoS managed to conjure up medical care and housing, then does that mean it continues to do so or does it all fall on Yoshiki from that point on? I'm just trying to imagine a 17 year old having to do something like this by himself and it'd be a real struggle. I kinda want there to be a nurse or caretaker involved to some extent since I think Yoshiki would torture himself the thought that Ayumi would hate him for having to do things like dress her or, even worse, situations that involve the bathroom like bathing, using the bathroom, or her monthly cycle. We don't know if Ayumi's personality is still intact but just can't be outwardly portrayed or if she's just the barest form of consciousness (by which I mean conscious enough to react to things as seen by her reacting to Sachi in the mirror at the end but not to take interest in things) but Yoshiki would still know how she would have reacted to the idea of him doing those kinds of personal things for her so that would always be haunting him. It's not like he can get permission or approval from Ayumi, it'd just have to be done. Maybe the BoS can just make it where a nurse/caretaker comes by every now and then despite them not having money to pay. Does the BoS just magically change her clothes and restore her needs Sims cheats style? Sorry I know I'm being too realistic but this really did make me stop and wonder how everything works out
Spoiler: click to toggle Well, I thought of that too... No ones answering the doorbell... And yeah she couldn't move. I just gave that reason cause its the most easiest to came up with. It's not really farfetcthd that BoS changes reality to something barely suitable to Ayumi at the very least. Never thought of housing and stuffs... Cause I think that part of the plot would take care for itself (have you ever heard of a horror protagonist that died because he forgot to pay the bills and went bankrupt. All without the slightest amount of the Antagonist Ghost meddling?) BoS is a good guy to his master (or the very least, the one who holds him providing that one is competent) :3 Seriously he is like on the upper spectrum of my favorite characters in corpse party EDIT oh about Yoshiki? I'm sure ayumi would be happy enough just to see yoshiki. Sure Yoshiki would be sad at first to see Ayumi in that state. But Ayumi would try her best to convey her happiness to see him. Well, it would be awkward at the first few days but Yoshiko wouldn't give up I'm sure. And so is ayumi.
Plus it isn't that farfetched to see ayumi walking just because she is in a wheelchair. Maybe she tends to stumble down due to lack of *life* energy that's why she is in a wheel chair. Plant in the sunlight? It only describes what Ayumi is doing there. It doesn't describe the whole her
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August 5, 2014, 2:20 am
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Sorry for Double Posting but... I'm curious on what are your reactions in this theory... http://kuoniwa.tumblr.com/post/92744899245/theory-timeSo.... Long Story short... Seiko is dead before the events of the 1st game cause she is somehow connected with the Shinozaki family according to the pictures found in Makina Estate... Had her photo labeled as Sachi... Plus the BoS's scene where Ayumi saw Sachiko-Shinohara on mirror.... I'd always thought that shinohara is so similar to shinozaki... never thought it would have a possible significance... Though now that i think of it.... The difference vetween the 2 names is hara... Though in Seiko's surname is written as field... Converting it to hiragana and back to kanji.. It could mean abdomen... Where sachi was never released (原 *fields* -> はら *hara* -> 腹 *stomach/abdomen*) Seiko = Sachi ??? Theories are overflowing!!! SEIKO4DEADPATIENT lol What do you think.. Gahaha
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