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Book of Shadows - Spoiler Discussion; Pour out your very soul in this thread as you experience the horrors of Heavenly Host once again.
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October 16, 2015, 4:53 pm
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@Zaion: That's kinda nice... Asuza-imouto The Final Nail in the coffin  Misuto saying the Kisaragis had experience looping death... On the other topic.. Bond of Sympathy? Not just close proximity but Bond... Yuka and Sachiko? I do really feel that there is one more story in HH that needs to be told...there are lots of inconsistencies therefore the timeline to blood drive is still submerged in mystery... God, im lovin this!! Do we really need to use the spoiler tags when the thread itself is for spoilers?
@DKG D'oh, well that's embarrassing. I remembered him talking about the auras, and how that was related to them dying over and over again, but forgot he said they went through "loops of death".
I'll redeem myself a bit by redoing part of XSEED's bad translation.
A bond of sympathy isn't what is said in the Japanese. 心を通わせた means to have a heart to heart with someone. In other words, because Yuka talked to Sachiko, and opened up to her, her spiritual capacity is greatly increased.
The more interesting thing to me though, is how Mist knew this. He says he used their auras to infer the above, but does that mean something similar to that has happened in the past or occurs in other places than Heavenly Host? There must be a precedent for a person going through "loops of death" for him to be able to infer that from a strange aura.
Another explanation could be his Argus cube. It could be possible that he was watching what was going on inside Heavenly Host from before, and knew what happened to them. How and where he set up the cube is a mystery, but I can imagine him manipulating things so that he can get one in there. e.g. Blackmailing/hypnotizing someone to take an Argus cube with them into Heavenly Host via the Sachiko Ever After charm, or another method. They die there, and the Argus cube gets left behind where they died. Thus, he has a limited capacity to observe what is going on inside the school.
Spoiler Well... yeah, i do think its not exactly bond of sympathy but still... the same is still what im trying to say..
A heart to heart with Sachiko... that must something to have to do in the final timeline...After repeating Yuka's fate over and over again... Sachiko might have an open up to her a bit...
You still believe the theory of BD aint connected to BC True End right?
Now Into the Misuto thing... im not sure bout it but... the "as it were" part bothers me... is it possible he only knows it in theory? That they were repeatedly killed. Something like aura reading?
Btw, Where did the new timeline Ayumi go? I mean the one in the repeated timeline where old Ayumi breaks in and beat misuto up with BoS-Kun.
Is it possible that the Ayumi head is a manifestation of that? Nah just kidding
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October 16, 2015, 6:30 pm
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- October 16, 2015, 4:53 pm
- Zaion
- October 16, 2015, 3:38 pm
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- October 16, 2015, 9:49 am
@Zaion: That's kinda nice... Asuza-imouto The Final Nail in the coffin  Misuto saying the Kisaragis had experience looping death... On the other topic.. Bond of Sympathy? Not just close proximity but Bond... Yuka and Sachiko? I do really feel that there is one more story in HH that needs to be told...there are lots of inconsistencies therefore the timeline to blood drive is still submerged in mystery... God, im lovin this!! Do we really need to use the spoiler tags when the thread itself is for spoilers?
@DKG D'oh, well that's embarrassing. I remembered him talking about the auras, and how that was related to them dying over and over again, but forgot he said they went through "loops of death".
I'll redeem myself a bit by redoing part of XSEED's bad translation.
A bond of sympathy isn't what is said in the Japanese. 心を通わせた means to have a heart to heart with someone. In other words, because Yuka talked to Sachiko, and opened up to her, her spiritual capacity is greatly increased.
The more interesting thing to me though, is how Mist knew this. He says he used their auras to infer the above, but does that mean something similar to that has happened in the past or occurs in other places than Heavenly Host? There must be a precedent for a person going through "loops of death" for him to be able to infer that from a strange aura.
Another explanation could be his Argus cube. It could be possible that he was watching what was going on inside Heavenly Host from before, and knew what happened to them. How and where he set up the cube is a mystery, but I can imagine him manipulating things so that he can get one in there. e.g. Blackmailing/hypnotizing someone to take an Argus cube with them into Heavenly Host via the Sachiko Ever After charm, or another method. They die there, and the Argus cube gets left behind where they died. Thus, he has a limited capacity to observe what is going on inside the school.
Spoiler Well... yeah, i do think its not exactly bond of sympathy but still... the same is still what im trying to say..
A heart to heart with Sachiko... that must something to have to do in the final timeline...After repeating Yuka's fate over and over again... Sachiko might have an open up to her a bit...
You still believe the theory of BD aint connected to BC True End right?
Now Into the Misuto thing... im not sure bout it but... the "as it were" part bothers me... is it possible he only knows it in theory? That they were repeatedly killed. Something like aura reading?
Btw, Where did the new timeline Ayumi go? I mean the one in the repeated timeline where old Ayumi breaks in and beat misuto up with BoS-Kun.
Is it possible that the Ayumi head is a manifestation of that? Nah just kidding
@DKG There is no "as it were" in the Japanese. He simply states that they have a special aura around them due to going through loops of within Heavenly Host. Then again, he doesn't seem to know the details of what they went through.
There is no Ayumi in the new timeline. Ayumi is Ayumi, and only one can exist at any point in time. In other words, there is no second Ayumi in the world that was "Fact Looped" by Sachiko.
From a similar question:
--------- Blood Drive seems to support the single, linear stream of time theory since there was no second Sachiko or Ayumi upon their return. In other words, there is only one of each person/existence per timestream/timeline. --------- Blood Drive does not support this idea due to how 2U works and Sachiko’s own words. However, you are correct that there is only one person allowed at every moment in time. However, going back in time is less going into the past, and more viewing the past as the present. In other words, you do not find past versions of yourself as you are the one who is the past version of yourself at that point in time.
How this is resolved is via a re-writing of events such that things make sense. This often looks as if thing have come from an alternate timeline, but it’s more a preservation of fact than another possibility.
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October 16, 2015, 6:59 pm
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- October 16, 2015, 6:30 pm
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- October 16, 2015, 3:38 pm
Quoting limited to 3 levels deep @Zaion: That's kinda nice... Asuza-imouto The Final Nail in the coffin  Misuto saying the Kisaragis had experience looping death... On the other topic.. Bond of Sympathy? Not just close proximity but Bond... Yuka and Sachiko? I do really feel that there is one more story in HH that needs to be told...there are lots of inconsistencies therefore the timeline to blood drive is still submerged in mystery... God, im lovin this!! @DKG D'oh, well that's embarrassing. I remembered him talking about the auras, and how that was related to them dying over and over again, but forgot he said they went through "loops of death".
I'll redeem myself a bit by redoing part of XSEED's bad translation.
A bond of sympathy isn't what is said in the Japanese. 心を通わせた means to have a heart to heart with someone. In other words, because Yuka talked to Sachiko, and opened up to her, her spiritual capacity is greatly increased.
The more interesting thing to me though, is how Mist knew this. He says he used their auras to infer the above, but does that mean something similar to that has happened in the past or occurs in other places than Heavenly Host? There must be a precedent for a person going through "loops of death" for him to be able to infer that from a strange aura.
Another explanation could be his Argus cube. It could be possible that he was watching what was going on inside Heavenly Host from before, and knew what happened to them. How and where he set up the cube is a mystery, but I can imagine him manipulating things so that he can get one in there. e.g. Blackmailing/hypnotizing someone to take an Argus cube with them into Heavenly Host via the Sachiko Ever After charm, or another method. They die there, and the Argus cube gets left behind where they died. Thus, he has a limited capacity to observe what is going on inside the school.
Spoiler Well... yeah, i do think its not exactly bond of sympathy but still... the same is still what im trying to say..
A heart to heart with Sachiko... that must something to have to do in the final timeline...After repeating Yuka's fate over and over again... Sachiko might have an open up to her a bit...
You still believe the theory of BD aint connected to BC True End right?
Now Into the Misuto thing... im not sure bout it but... the "as it were" part bothers me... is it possible he only knows it in theory? That they were repeatedly killed. Something like aura reading?
Btw, Where did the new timeline Ayumi go? I mean the one in the repeated timeline where old Ayumi breaks in and beat misuto up with BoS-Kun.
Is it possible that the Ayumi head is a manifestation of that? Nah just kidding
@DKG There is no "as it were" in the Japanese. He simply states that they have a special aura around them due to going through loops of within Heavenly Host. Then again, he doesn't seem to know the details of what they went through.
There is no Ayumi in the new timeline. Ayumi is Ayumi, and only one can exist at any point in time. In other words, there is no second Ayumi in the world that was "Fact Looped" by Sachiko.
From a similar question:
--------- Blood Drive seems to support the single, linear stream of time theory since there was no second Sachiko or Ayumi upon their return. In other words, there is only one of each person/existence per timestream/timeline. --------- Blood Drive does not support this idea due to how 2U works and Sachiko’s own words. However, you are correct that there is only one person allowed at every moment in time. However, going back in time is less going into the past, and more viewing the past as the present. In other words, you do not find past versions of yourself as you are the one who is the past version of yourself at that point in time.
How this is resolved is via a re-writing of events such that things make sense. This often looks as if thing have come from an alternate timeline, but it’s more a preservation of fact than another possibility.
Spoiler: click to toggle Well.. Yeah, I can know that... about one Ayumi per timeline
But what I meant is... Everyone is like "holy kuon... Its ayumi.. Why are you alive" vibes... As if something happened to new ayumi who was overwritten by old ayumi
I wonder when they're gonna release the final HH timeline to connect with BD? 25th anniversery... Lols.. Maybe never. There are lots of scenes I wanna see in that timeline
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October 17, 2015, 11:57 am
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Finished the game... yay...
Still pretty awesome... the jist i though from the jp version are right...
though there are things im confused about
-- when she said she would swallow nehan... she litteraly take a piece of that wall.. does that mean she had to do it manually... unlike sachiko in which she magicallyautomatically swallowed it? -- Did Yoshiki actually swallow a part of nehan? At first i thought it is because i percieved the sentence to be "what happens if i eat nehan" rather than "would she really disappear kn oir memories". I wonder if he found another way to do it?
i feel for Yui Kondo I feel bad for Yui Kondo... she was excited for a role in CP and what she got is a screaming kid that doesnt talk much... i dont know if its acting or not... but she wanted Sachi to become good and rest in peace...
So sad
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October 21, 2015, 11:00 am
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i feel for Yui Kondo I feel bad for Yui Kondo... she was excited for a role in CP and what she got is a screaming kid that doesnt talk much... i dont know if its acting or not... but she wanted Sachi to become good and rest in peace...
So sad
"Hmmm" I think the opposite - conveying emotions through moans and groans instead of words are more difficult. How does one make screams that sound scary? And to do all that in-character. She might strain her voice if she needed to speak a lot (voicing Sachi's sounds uncomfortable to me since it sounds throat-y).
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October 21, 2015, 4:15 pm
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i feel for Yui Kondo I feel bad for Yui Kondo... she was excited for a role in CP and what she got is a screaming kid that doesnt talk much... i dont know if its acting or not... but she wanted Sachi to become good and rest in peace...
So sad
"Hmmm" I think the opposite - conveying emotions through moans and groans instead of words are more difficult. How does one make screams that sound scary? And to do all that in-character. She might strain her voice if she needed to speak a lot (voicing Sachi's sounds uncomfortable to me since it sounds throat-y).
Spoiler: click to toggle No...what i mean is the role itself... sure screaming and moaning is hard thing to do...
But in Soulful testimonies, she admitted she wanted to have a corpse party role and like she gets Sachi...
Not only that she moans and growls... but she (i think some of them) have no context of the "whole" story whatsoever (more for sachi cause she mostly moans amd groans)... She's like "Sachi's gonna pass on and become a good spirit right? Right?"
Sachi is still pretty much at large at the end of the game...
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November 18, 2015, 11:34 am
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Random thoughts...
Why are there people thinking that Kuon is gonna be in DP... Not that i dont entertain the idea... cause she will be there as a passing comment cause she rejects the ghost theraphy/spiritual medicine experiment. She wont be there in person but... there are a lots of persons who think Ayame is somewhat connected to Kuon (mainly cause of her white hair... a small resemblance but i think thats just art)
Its highly unlikely as Kuon is dead, Unless Magari dragged her body/soul out and somwhat patched it into Ayame... Not possible cause Ayame's white hair is pretty much natural or at least it was already that way before surgery (id tag) plus Magari has a bit of honor so she wouldnt desecrate Kuon's body right?
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November 18, 2015, 11:48 am
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Well, there's no confirmation that the Grave of Maltuva is even associated with the hospital, so it could be a splinter faction or a different one. i.e. Magari has nothing to do with DP.
I have no idea why people think about that either, but then again, I have no idea why people think a lot of things so, meh.
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Well, there's no confirmation that the Grave of Maltuva is even associated with the hospital, so it could be a splinter faction or a different one. i.e. Magari has nothing to do with DP.
I have no idea why people think about that either, but then again, I have no idea why people think a lot of things so, meh. Yeah... im thinking of the same thing.. a faction in the grave
Well while there are no actual conformation...
-- isnt it odd for kedwin to remember the smallest details in naho's note yet not the dates... probably thats ghost therapy is important term -- and is it really just a coincidence that they choose a hospital as a setting...
Maltuva has a lots of sectors right? Maybe the part of medicine experimentation team defects for the name of science...
Oddly enough... i remember Enig saying bout Darkening disease or something in DP (ill find it later)
At least the grave theory has a bit of things pointing in that direction... while kuon ayame thing is physical evidence only
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December 1, 2015, 8:26 am
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I was never good at observation at all haha...
I was rewatching blood drive in AzzMan's Channel and He saw something that i didnt notice one bit...
There was a girl near the convenience store and in the same place later on,there was a bouquet for a dead middle school girl...
The one who saw the girl was Ayumi... and the one who saw the bouquet was Yoshiki...
That was a really nice touch...
Wonder if the arm and the cat is connected too... not possible unless someone at gris2 pulled a cruel joke the mannequin's arm symbolizes Yui's arm and the cat as monet... well the only person to see monet is Satoshi so yeah...
But well crack theory is crack theory....haha
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