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| Kizami Yuuya - Shedding new light on an old character; Time to share another point of viewing this member of the Corpse Party cast. | |
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| Topic Started: June 13, 2014, 8:08 pm (3,323 Views) | |
| DeathkaiserG | June 17, 2014, 11:40 pm Post #21 |
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Faraway Black Jewel
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I am sorry about that XD.. I misread haha... |
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| Kizami Yuuya | June 19, 2014, 3:02 am Post #22 |
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Now with half the Psycho!
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This is basically what I think in a nutshell. Being born with a predisposition to acting and thinking a certain way alone, did not make him the sociopath he was in the game. Environmental factors such as familial support (or lack thereof) and/or outside help could have resulted in a completely different Kizami than the one we all know. He really needed to be surrounded with a more positive environment. Great analysis! :] It's a take on a character that a lot of people don't have sympathy for because of his actions. |
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| Iarumas | June 19, 2014, 8:57 pm Post #23 |
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The backwards samurai!
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Upon my revist of Corpse Party, I got to rewatch a very interesting and eye opening scene that appears in Chapter 5. I got Yuka caught by Kizami (I litterally walked right up to him after getting the front door key : P), then after a few cutscenes, I got to catch back up with the two. Kizami spoke about his fascination with life and death, talking about how no one really expected to die, much like Yuka was about to or someone who is hit by a car would fail to consider such a thing upon waking up in the morning. He said that he was disappointed in the pointless thoughts of humans, never contemplating life and death and instead thinking about remedial topics, such as entertainment. Kizami continued, saying he was completely fascinated by the thoughts and words of people who were about to die because of their pure display of emotion. He even commented on Kurosaki, saying he may have even understood him in his final moments given that his death was "breathtaking". The problem here is Kizami's method of delving into this topic is a lot less than morally inclined. Lacking any moral compass at all, he sees killing someone to learn more about this riveting topic to be on the same level as reading a philosophy book on the same topic. Wrap it all up and we realize something many may not have realized: Kizami is pretty intelligent, or in the very least, a deep thinker to be thinking so much on topics as those. In a weird light, he can almost be seen as a philosopher in the making, twisted as he may be. All the more disappointing to see how far had fallen in the end... Edit: In Book of Shadows, Kizami straight out says: "(Ever since I was little, I've been unable to put myself in another man's shoes. I've possessed no sympathy, no empathy and no respect for life.)" That quote is quite crucial and further supports the idea Kizami may have ASPD. After all, what does have to to gain by lying to himself in his own thoughts? The answer: Not much at all. Edited by Iarumas, June 19, 2014, 10:14 pm.
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| DeathkaiserG | June 22, 2014, 6:12 am Post #24 |
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Faraway Black Jewel
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@Iarumas: Let's say you are a part of the Byakudan circle and have gone to heavenly host... Knowing that all of information you have compiled here (or will be compile) and maybe at least you have known Kizami in your childhood days... What would change? What would you have done? In the situation 1. Before Kizami have thrown Ryousuke.. (at least predicted that event) 2. Or the time Kizami have gone bananas with Yuka? I would like to hear your Answer |
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| Mikan | June 22, 2014, 10:01 pm Post #25 |
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The Nurse's Assistant
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Maybe if he was shown a little more kindness he wouldn't have gone so crazy :/ |
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| Kizami Yuuya | June 22, 2014, 11:48 pm Post #26 |
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Now with half the Psycho!
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I'm not Iarumas, but this question really sparked my interest! This would be a good idea for another Book of Shadows-type"What If" Chapter. If one of the classmates remembered Kizami going crazy and killing anyone and has to try to prevent it. Or it could just be a standalone story where someone who is more omniscient in the events were in the CP universe. Both situations are very interesting. My first thought would be to keep tabs on Kizami before all hell breaks loose with the other Byakudan classmates. After it "clicks" with Kizami that he or the school, could kill anyone; the situation worsens 10 fold and the best action is to prevent his soon-to-be victim's deaths. It would be extremely difficult to confront him alone without having a 90% chance of death. Prevention is key! (Full rambling behind spoiler tag because of the sheer length.) Spoiler: click to toggle Wow, that was a mouthful! It basically looks like a summary of the chapter! Haha! I just felt it would be fun to dissect different parts where things could have possibly gone better in terms of keeping Kizami on good terms by examining his psyche.
Edited by Kizami Yuuya, June 22, 2014, 11:55 pm.
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| Iarumas | June 23, 2014, 12:07 am Post #27 |
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The backwards samurai!
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Nice break down! Thank you Kizami on that, you pointed out a good number of things. I will further examine his interactions with the others, as I said I would, I've just been a bit busy lately (and, as of this post, am currently sick). Anyway, I'll go ahead and answer those questions now! 1. What would I have done before Kizami threw Ryousuke down the stairs? Good question, though the answer depends a lot on of different factors. For now, I'll answer in the simplest manner: I'd be keeping a close eye on the group as a whole, trying to keep everyone on the same terms, the same level. I think the whole group break down thing had a lot to do with lack of communication, misunderstanding, and hysteria in the heat of the moment. If I wanted to complicate things though, I could also say that my relationships with everyone would play a big role. If I was on good terms with mostly everyone, this would likely be less of a problem as opposed to if I was the group lone wolf or something about those lines. But what would *I* have specifically done? I would have done my best to reason with the others, though it is already clear they were beyond reasoning. As for Kizami, I could only attempt to support him. The other's accusations would have weighed in on him with or without me supporting him, so in the end, I think the outcome is near to inevitable either way. 2. What would I have done when Kizami went crazy with Yuka? Great question! See, I argue here he is already long beyond the point of reason, sad as it is for me to admit it. So then one may ask "why was Yuka able to reason with him in 'Mire'?" She actually had a lot of things working with her. For one, she was much younger; while that doesn't seem to make much difference at first, you have to realize Kizami was almost undoubtedly blocking out and ignoring anything his age (or older) was saying to him regarding his actions, mostly likely because Kizami saw it as they lack understanding of both him and his actions. Secondly, Kizami had wanted a younger sibling, so that, without a shadow of a doubt, carries plenty of importance. Of course he would listen and respond to what his dear little sister was saying. If it was something she wanted to hear or not, well... that's a different story entirely now, isn't it? In other words, what would I have been able to do? Most likely, nothing. What should I do? Run like hell and hope for the best (taking Yuka in tow, too)! Edited by Iarumas, June 23, 2014, 12:11 am.
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| Kizami Yuuya | June 23, 2014, 2:10 am Post #28 |
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Now with half the Psycho!
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Haha, thanks! It was no problem, I'm a big fan of "what if" scenarios and analyzing behavior so this was pretty fun. I also thought I needed a refresher course on what happened exactly. It's really a shame that Kizami may probably have ended up in his murderous stage in HHE despite all attempts to prevent it. A lot of his descent is probably facilitated by the school/darkening and what-not, but the way some of the events went down did not work in his favor at all. In a way he was innocent (until he snapped and started going all domestic abuse on Tohko), just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I agree on all your points about his mental state when he's with Yuka. I'd run far far away screaming! And then possibly find something heavy, and drop it on his head. One interesting thing of note about Kizami wanting a younger sibling. I recently saw a LP, and during one flash back young Kizami says this: Spoiler: click to toggle I may not have read it in context correctly, but I thought "Wow! he's not so bad." So he seems like he would treat his younger brother very well (possibly because he is the youngest out of his own siblings, a boy himself, and that's how he'd like to be treated.) This is possibly a dumb question, but what was with the laughing when he was thinking about if he had a younger sister? Was it an innocent laugh meaning he'd treat her the same nicely? Or more unfortunate (possibly explicit) implications? His treatment of Yuka leans towards the latter (I might need to rewatch Mire again), but does that mean this little sister complex that seems to be what he's well-known for manifested at such a young age? (I guess it's possible, granted he also curses like a sailor so young) And if so, was his older sister's treatment the heavy factor that made him want to only treat his hypothetical younger sister in such a way, rather than disregarding whether his younger sibling was a boy or girl? Man, now I'm thinking about this way too much, haha! Edited by Kizami Yuuya, June 23, 2014, 2:12 am.
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| Iarumas | June 23, 2014, 2:26 am Post #29 |
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The backwards samurai!
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You brought up a few excellent points again. Here's how I see it: If we view the laugh in a negative light: At first, this seems to make perfect sense, given he probably got a certain, for lack of a better way to word it, "hate" for girls in general. Ater all, he mistreats his sister, Yuka, and even punches a female classmate of his. Unfortunately, this view hits a bit of a pothole here; If this were really the case, one could argue he would also be just as violent towards men. In turn, you can argue he is, but why did he say it the way he did then instead of "If I had a little sibling... hehehehehehe..." If we view the laugh in a more positive light: He to *is* a kid, so he could just be laughing because he finds the thought to be amusing. Perhaps he is thinking of it in a bit of a perverse context too, if we see it as his little sister complex. In either case, it is clear that the thought invokes a reaction from him, though what the reaction is can differ depeding on view points. Edited by Iarumas, June 23, 2014, 2:29 am.
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| Yoshiki Kishinuma | June 24, 2014, 12:16 pm Post #30 |
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The Hero of Another Story
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Here you go. "I wonder something, how do you think Kizami would react when faced with death? I mean, he basks in it; do you think he'd simply laugh it off, or would he generally be terrified? Considering how deranged he is, I'm keen towards the former." |
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I just felt it would be fun to dissect different parts where things could have possibly gone better in terms of keeping Kizami on good terms by examining his psyche.


Yoshiki Kishinuma
9:11 AM Jul 11