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Kizami Yuuya - Shedding new light on an old character; Time to share another point of viewing this member of the Corpse Party cast.
Topic Started: June 13, 2014, 8:08 pm (3,321 Views)
Iarumas
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Pretty much. You know what people really tend to hate? When someone tells them they're wrong and need to change. That's not to say *everyone* hates it or that people who give you advice do it for their own gain, but really, in at least one context out of many, I argue most everyone would agree with that statement.
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I very much enjoyed reading your thoughts on Kizami, because it does seem that you put quite a bit into it and backed up what you're saying about him.

That said, nothing can change how much I dislike his character. There are only two things that make his character tolerable in any way to me - Sugita voicing him and the fact that he's darn fine to look at. :D

I hope I don't offend you with my post.
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Not at all. I can explain what he did, but I cannot justify his actions. ; )
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I don't know what more I could add to the subject of Kizami, but I'll shoot.

Continuing off of your last comment, Iarumus, that's pretty much what the conversation is about between Kizami and his siblings. Or Kizami and Kurosaki. Or Kizami and Yuka. His definition of love (which isn't entirely uncommon) is a world where he is right, and everyone confirms it. He can accept no less. He knows he's right, and it's everyone else that's wrong.

From a narrative standpoint, he's crafted from his inception to be a ticking time bomb. The people around him are supposed to act as triggers. They can only ever be failures. This much is obvious. But Kizami himself sets the bar for his relationships. When we're treated to his thoughts about Kurosaki, he very clearly pushes that bar as he sees fit, not to mention without informing others. And I think that has to do with the fact that he likes to break things. If everything around him will fail, then he wants to take it to that point himself. So when they slip up, he has confirmation, and he can be the one to end it. He reminds me in a small way of a character from the Moomin novels, the Fillyjonk, who was always worried that disaster would come. But when it happens, she's overjoyed, because she was right!

What he doesn't realise is that he's being broken as well. I do think that all those failures and betrayals over the course of his life took a toll on him. It doesn't feel good when someone disappoints you, even if you know they will, and when it happens over and over again, it doesn't get any better. His actual brother and sister don't understand him. Kurosaki isn't his best friend (as much he tried). Yuka will never be the perfect little sister he wants; and that, by extension means that he isn't the big brother he pictures himself to be. By the end of his journey, he may be the most powerful person in his world, but he has nothing and no one.

You see it best in Mire. His psychosis has so deeply spiralled out of control that he can feel his head splitting. He actually begins feeling empathy for someone else, and this, the possibility that he could have been wrong, shakes him. Yuka, who at this point has no reason to, offers the painkillers in her pocket to ease his headaches. Ultimately, this altruistic offer comes to nothing as Kizami meets a nasty end immediately after. It's telling that no matter what we see of Kizami (not counting 2U), whether it's his time in BC, or Tooth, or Mire, or even in Shangri-La where it's an alternate universe, he can never be anything more than a cold, capricious murderer. Could Yuka have been the one to change him? I'm not really sure. I do know that she's a little girl though, and that she really shouldn't be the one that has to take on that burden.

Anyway, he's not one of my favorite characters. But like Morishige, he's a fascinating one!
Edited by Patra, July 29, 2014, 7:49 pm.
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Well, yes and no, I don't think Kizami is a person without hope of ever changing. While I can't say for sure what exactly he needed in order to get better, I do believe he can be a better person than he is shown to be. It's kind of like that misunderstood classmate who everyone assumes is bad due to rumors or that character in the story who is always a jerk, but ends up caring the most. The undeniable fact is, Kizami makes for a great bad guy and we love to see him play the part. In Mire, we can very clearly see a glimpse of this; once someone actually stops and tries to offer him support, unconditional support, no questions asked, there *is* an effect. We also have to keep in mind how alone in all this he feels. Other than Yuka, no one really gave him the time of day. What about Kurosaki? Well, Kizami makes a valid point: "Not once did you stick up for me!" And there goes that argument. So, it is in that regard I will need to agree to disagree. ; )
Edited by Iarumas, July 29, 2014, 9:22 pm.
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The undeniable fact is, Kizami makes for a great bad guy and we love to see him play the part.


True, true! I forgot to add this, but its a lot of this reason why we don't see a full-turnaround. Because that would end his status as an out and out villain (and goes against a lot of what BoS puts forth, which is that the characters are inherently doomed). There are very real disappointments in his life, as you note with Kurosaki (who I argue is probably still the closest he's ever had to a good relationship). It's most likely possible for Kizami to change with the right motivations, but the chances of us seeing it were next to none.

Blood Drive on the other hand, not too sure. And I'll nip that one in the bud, out of respect.
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Yea, I just want to keep making things interesting regarding the character, since he is so easy to overlook due to his actions. But really, the crazy ones are the interesting ones, are they not? ; )
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Most def. I wonder if someone'll come along and do a character analysis of Satoshi, ha ha!
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If you ask me, there's not much to look at Satoshi, to be perfectly honest. Such is the case with other characters such as Nari Amatoya, who may have a few interesting qualities, but are rather simplistic all-in-all as a character.
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I've actually already seen a pretty good character analysis of Satoshi that convinced me he's a pretty good character in his own right.

On another note, while it is all fine and good to talk about how there might be more to Kizami inside, there is a very definite fact that people are remembered for the things they say and do. It's not what is inside that defines a person, but what they do. Let's not get so sympathetic that we overlook the horrible things Kizami did.
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