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Topic Started: Jan 24 2014, 07:53 PM (627 Views)
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 25 2014, 11:13 AM
santry_gooner
Jan 25 2014, 01:01 AM
Let's keep this short. Ridiculously previous thread considering Bendtner only started training last Friday. I'm not saying there are no character issues with Bendtner that bring his effort into question, but after playing his first hour after several weeks not training.... Come back two games from now.
Nothing "previous" about this thread. Two matches from now, the window will be closed.

Again, Bendtner did nothing to solidify his position yesterday, and his performance, regardless of him coming back from injury, certainly has Ivan and Arsene giving some more thought to reinforcing his position.
You didn't need to make your point forcefully "AGAIN". Especially not if you don't have a counter argument to the reactions or any new information. We all got it the first time, so show more confidence in your accuracy of expression.

Like all players who sit out the previous 2-3 weeks Bendtner gets one game back for free, especially if he didn't have the full 90 in his legs. His best scoring chance was missed not as a result of a lack of effort, but a lack of sharpness as he was slightly off balance when he tried to change from right foot to left as three Coventry players closed him down.

Do I think Bendtner is some kind of super pro? Not at all, I'm on the same side of the room as you with his character assessment. Is the issue of when the window a closely connected matter, not for those of us who can see that this thread is premature.
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santry_gooner
Jan 25 2014, 11:43 AM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 25 2014, 11:13 AM
santry_gooner
Jan 25 2014, 01:01 AM
Let's keep this short. Ridiculously previous thread considering Bendtner only started training last Friday. I'm not saying there are no character issues with Bendtner that bring his effort into question, but after playing his first hour after several weeks not training.... Come back two games from now.
Nothing "previous" about this thread. Two matches from now, the window will be closed.

Again, Bendtner did nothing to solidify his position yesterday, and his performance, regardless of him coming back from injury, certainly has Ivan and Arsene giving some more thought to reinforcing his position.
You didn't need to make your point forcefully "AGAIN". Especially not if you don't have a counter argument to the reactions or any new information. We all got it the first time, so show more confidence in your accuracy of expression.

Like all players who sit out the previous 2-3 weeks Bendtner gets one game back for free, especially if he didn't have the full 90 in his legs. His best scoring chance was missed not as a result of a lack of effort, but a lack of sharpness as he was slightly off balance when he tried to change from right foot to left as three Coventry players closed him down.

Do I think Bendtner is some kind of super pro? Not at all, I'm on the same side of the room as you with his character assessment. Is the issue of when the window a closely connected matter, not for those of us who can see that this thread is premature.
The countdown to the end of the transfer window is at the heart of this issue. As you already acknowledge his character flaws, let's look at a couple of more warts.

His performances this season have been hit and miss at best. You can chalk that up to not getting enough run-outs if you wish, but I won't. And his comical attempts at finishing yesterday aside, he once again showed me that he lacks the positional awareness to be effective, even as an understudy against lesser sides. That ball in the ninth minute from Jenkinson was a perfect example of his cluelessness. The area at the near post was wide open and begging to be bolted for, and that's exactly where Carlos put the ball. Unfortunately, Nicky started drifting away instead and got himself locked up with the CB.

I don't want a second choice striker that makes me pine for Giroud. The Arsenal second choice should be complementary to Giroud and close to his equal, and Bendtner is and never will be close to that.
Edited by JustOneDennisBergkamp, Jan 25 2014, 12:00 PM.
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Bendtner has been around many places , would he finally realise that he had it good at the Arsenal? Has Flamini been reminding him of that day in day out ? Flamini has a chance of redemption in the red and white , this is Bendtner's chance. I remember not too long along we call him Flamoney.

Hope something has changed for Bendy and something has clicked into place for him. He is crucial this season. Whether we sign someone or not.

Will the someone coming in this window be able to adapt to the speed and style of Arsenal or struggle like Ozil ? Or will he light it up like Santi and Michu ?

Bendtner knows the Arsenal system. He was part of the team. The first 11 he was around is no more except maybe for Buc, Walcott , Wilshere. Instead of fighting with Adebayor and losing and sulking when he lost his place to Chamakh , if he can knuckle down. Bendtner is just like a new signing. ;)

TGSTEL knows where the goal is . He is fantastic in the air. If he can work on his attitude , work ethics and hold up play. we got another gem on our hands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SLnVCHEECM

Having one Big French Howitzer is good. Having another big Danish Samurai is better.
Edited by WX_Hitman, Jan 25 2014, 12:55 PM.
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What's the point of this thread exactly? Is it to say that Bendtner isn't the player we want as second choice striker? If so, is it anything we didn't already know? Is it to say that we need another striker? If so, is it anything we didn't already know? Fact is, Bendtner was coming off an injury...an injury that occurred while scoring a crucial goal. How quickly it's forgotten. He had a bad game. Just like Giroud's had a handful of recently. We all know that we need a better striker than Bendy (better than Giroud, too, if we're going down this well traveled road again). Bendtner is a stopgap till the end of the year. But, what's the point in overspending for a backup that may or may not be better than Bendtner (since he isn't as bad as many of you are claiming) that will make it trickier to get the one that really need in this summer. And even if it doesn't preclude bringing in someone this summer, then we'll have another scarcely used player with a salary and an overpriced transfer fee on the books.

You know...I get bitched at on here for occasionally giving people like pizzy a platform to spout off how he was right (even though he's not). That's all this thread is.
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Jan 25 2014, 12:29 AM
I don't expect Bendtner to come out big this first game after another spell on the sidelines. Poldo had a really bad game at CF vs Cardiff then a good one at West Ham , at Fulham ( I think) rocked the bar with a shell fired from the 88.

Santi has not been himself all season till a few games ago. Ozil likewise. Yeah.......we cut Bendtner very little slack for the nonsense he put us through , not one of my best loved players too. But he is very decent cover. If he plays like he care like how he plays for denmark. And with Jerky and Sagna swinging in the crosses , he is good .

Not the starting 11. But a vital bench player. Unless we can get a Suarez to lead the line then Bendtner can be shipped out. Giroud and a Suarez will share the starting spot. But right now, I am biting the bullet and getting behind our last Samurai. He was the one who scored the goal which opened up Cardiff . We were struggling with Poldo.

He is just back from weeks off. Surely one got to have the right to be a little off your game. If he knows that is and should not be the standards expected and continue to get minutes and sharper after every game, we are good , for now.

Then hit the summer, bring in Clyde "the glide" Drexler . Transform him into a Theirry Henry. We are good for the next 10 years.
Completely agree.

OT: Clyde the Glide was my favorite NBA player of all time (when I still cared about the NBA).
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This thread is no more or less unnecessary than most others around here. In fact, what the fuck is a necessary thread? If some folks are disappointed in me for starting this and wish to boycott on principle, adios. But if we can get beyond shaming JODB for bringing it up, I invite everyone, my detractors included, to join the conversation.

I've actually defended Bendtner's play at times this season, but a few things hit me like a ton of bricks post-Coventry. First, to the match itself.

Bendtner was out only a couple of weeks and started training a week ago, so it's not like he's coming back from long-term injury. I reject the notion that he somehow gets a pass where his play can not be scrutinized and criticized. His one big blown opportunity took place in the ninth minute. It had nada to do with rounding into form or condition - it was another poor striker decision on his part. Guaranteed, Giroud makes the run to the near post on Jenkinson's cross and buries it. The rest of his performance featured some moments of transitional competence, but otherwise, a striker stinker.

By the way, absent that scramble goal that got him hurt, there would be at least two or three threads on this subject in session.

So, someone like Bony or Benteke? In a heartbeat. I'm at the stage of ABB (anything but Bendtner), and I can't imagine that those fellas wouldn't create more chances and make better use of top shelf service than the Great Dane, which brings me to my final point.

Can anyone tell me what Nicky's defining strength's are? For the other Arsenal strikers it's easy. Poldi can thump it like no other in the side and finishes like a top pro.. Theo can beat you with pace and finishing. Giroud, even if not banging in goals, does all the little things to help his team score.

The only thing that I've heard in defense of Bendtner is that he's familiar with the Arsenal system and players. I'll gladly trade that virtue for a bit of genuine spark coming off the bench. Ironically, I think he has matured, and his attitude seems to be great this season. It's unfortunate that he didn't grow up soon enough to apply himself to being a better player when he really had the chance.
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Jan 25 2014, 05:07 PM
What's the point of this thread exactly? Is it to say that Bendtner isn't the player we want as second choice striker? If so, is it anything we didn't already know? Is it to say that we need another striker? If so, is it anything we didn't already know? Fact is, Bendtner was coming off an injury...an injury that occurred while scoring a crucial goal. How quickly it's forgotten. He had a bad game. Just like Giroud's had a handful of recently. We all know that we need a better striker than Bendy (better than Giroud, too, if we're going down this well traveled road again). Bendtner is a stopgap till the end of the year. But, what's the point in overspending for a backup that may or may not be better than Bendtner (since he isn't as bad as many of you are claiming) that will make it trickier to get the one that really need in this summer. And even if it doesn't preclude bringing in someone this summer, then we'll have another scarcely used player with a salary and an overpriced transfer fee on the books.

You know...I get bitched at on here for occasionally giving people like pizzy a platform to spout off how he was right (even though he's not). That's all this thread is.
you're a joke, first you said Bendtner is good enough as a backup striker for Arsena;, then you said "Bendtner isn't the player WE want as second choice striker?", can you actually see what you're posting?

Continue to make a joke of your self by claiming I'm wrong concerning Bendtner, I would have thought that considering Santry is a good mate of yours you would have learnt one or two things from his Chamakh brainfart.

I can believe in 2014 we are still debating Bendtner!, seriously? this shouldn't even be open for debate.
Edited by dream_team, Jan 25 2014, 06:54 PM.
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Jan 25 2014, 06:54 PM
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Jan 25 2014, 05:07 PM
What's the point of this thread exactly? Is it to say that Bendtner isn't the player we want as second choice striker? If so, is it anything we didn't already know? Is it to say that we need another striker? If so, is it anything we didn't already know? Fact is, Bendtner was coming off an injury...an injury that occurred while scoring a crucial goal. How quickly it's forgotten. He had a bad game. Just like Giroud's had a handful of recently. We all know that we need a better striker than Bendy (better than Giroud, too, if we're going down this well traveled road again). Bendtner is a stopgap till the end of the year. But, what's the point in overspending for a backup that may or may not be better than Bendtner (since he isn't as bad as many of you are claiming) that will make it trickier to get the one that really need in this summer. And even if it doesn't preclude bringing in someone this summer, then we'll have another scarcely used player with a salary and an overpriced transfer fee on the books.

You know...I get bitched at on here for occasionally giving people like pizzy a platform to spout off how he was right (even though he's not). That's all this thread is.
you're a joke, first you said Bendtner is good enough as a backup striker for Arsena;, then you said "Bendtner isn't the player WE want as second choice striker?", can you actually see what you're posting?

Continue to make a joke of your self by claiming I'm wrong concerning Bendtner, I would have thought that considering Santry is a good mate of yours you would have learnt one or two things from his Chamakh brainfart.

I can believe in 2014 we are still debating Bendtner!, seriously? this shouldn't even be open for debate.
No. You're a fucking idiot and you show it each and every day on here. Bendtner IS good enough for backup for Arsenal...as we stand now. My stance is that if we're going to buy a striker, he needs to be better than Giroud and relegate HIM to backup thus elevating the starting AND backup positions. I've wanted Bendtner gone for a while because of all his other issues including his inability to hunker down and work hard to live up to his potential.

Point is, you rely on your eyes to make decisions on players. Fact is, you must be half blind as the only players you have any idea about are those spoon fed to you.
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Jan 25 2014, 07:02 PM
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Jan 25 2014, 06:54 PM
rw_mlite2
Jan 25 2014, 05:07 PM
What's the point of this thread exactly? Is it to say that Bendtner isn't the player we want as second choice striker? If so, is it anything we didn't already know? Is it to say that we need another striker? If so, is it anything we didn't already know? Fact is, Bendtner was coming off an injury...an injury that occurred while scoring a crucial goal. How quickly it's forgotten. He had a bad game. Just like Giroud's had a handful of recently. We all know that we need a better striker than Bendy (better than Giroud, too, if we're going down this well traveled road again). Bendtner is a stopgap till the end of the year. But, what's the point in overspending for a backup that may or may not be better than Bendtner (since he isn't as bad as many of you are claiming) that will make it trickier to get the one that really need in this summer. And even if it doesn't preclude bringing in someone this summer, then we'll have another scarcely used player with a salary and an overpriced transfer fee on the books.

You know...I get bitched at on here for occasionally giving people like pizzy a platform to spout off how he was right (even though he's not). That's all this thread is.
you're a joke, first you said Bendtner is good enough as a backup striker for Arsena;, then you said "Bendtner isn't the player WE want as second choice striker?", can you actually see what you're posting?

Continue to make a joke of your self by claiming I'm wrong concerning Bendtner, I would have thought that considering Santry is a good mate of yours you would have learnt one or two things from his Chamakh brainfart.

I can believe in 2014 we are still debating Bendtner!, seriously? this shouldn't even be open for debate.
No. You're a fucking idiot and you show it each and every day on here. Bendtner IS good enough for backup for Arsenal...as we stand now. My stance is that if we're going to buy a striker, he needs to be better than Giroud and relegate HIM to backup thus elevating the starting AND backup positions. I've wanted Bendtner gone for a while because of all his other issues including his inability to hunker down and work hard to live up to his potential.

Point is, you rely on your eyes to make decisions on players. Fact is, you must be half blind as the only players you have any idea about are those spoon fed to you.
do you even know what a backup striker is?
if me thinking Bendtner is not good enough to be our backup striker makes me 'a fucking idiot', then I'm glad to be one.
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Jan 25 2014, 06:08 PM
This thread is no more or less unnecessary than most others around here. In fact, what the fuck is a necessary thread? If some folks are disappointed in me for starting this and wish to boycott on principle, adios. But if we can get beyond shaming JODB for bringing it up, I invite everyone, my detractors included, to join the conversation.

I've actually defended Bendtner's play at times this season, but a few things hit me like a ton of bricks post-Coventry. First, to the match itself.

Bendtner was out only a couple of weeks and started training a week ago, so it's not like he's coming back from long-term injury. I reject the notion that he somehow gets a pass where his play can not be scrutinized and criticized. His one big blown opportunity took place in the ninth minute. It had nada to do with rounding into form or condition - it was another poor striker decision on his part. Guaranteed, Giroud makes the run to the near post on Jenkinson's cross and buries it. The rest of his performance featured some moments of transitional competence, but otherwise, a striker stinker.

By the way, absent that scramble goal that got him hurt, there would be at least two or three threads on this subject in session.

So, someone like Bony or Benteke? In a heartbeat. I'm at the stage of ABB (anything but Bendtner), and I can't imagine that those fellas wouldn't create more chances and make better use of top shelf service than the Great Dane, which brings me to my final point.

Can anyone tell me what Nicky's defining strength's are? For the other Arsenal strikers it's easy. Poldi can thump it like no other in the side and finishes like a top pro.. Theo can beat you with pace and finishing. Giroud, even if not banging in goals, does all the little things to help his team score.

The only thing that I've heard in defense of Bendtner is that he's familiar with the Arsenal system and players. I'll gladly trade that virtue for a bit of genuine spark coming off the bench. Ironically, I think he has matured, and his attitude seems to be great this season. It's unfortunate that he didn't grow up soon enough to apply himself to being a better player when he really had the chance.
I don't mean to sound pizzy...err...pissy, but based on who jumped on the opportunity presented here like a horny dog flying across the room at a new pair of trousers...well, you get my point.

Addressing the actual content, though, I do agree that he doesn't seem to be on the same page as Giroud when it comes to meeting low crosses at the near post. Someone else went over this a few weeks back. Is it a training ground thing? Lack of familiarity with the players providing the crosses? Something ingrained in Bendtner that he can't seem to overcome? I don't know, but it is something that's cost us a few goals this season.

As for his lack of finishing (this is to the general populance), I've seen Giroud miss some just as badly this season. I won't hold those against him any more than Giroud.

I think you're being a bit harsh about the transitions as Giroud has the luxury of playing nearly every game with the same cast around him. There's no denying that Giroud is better at holdup play and being the fulcrum point to bounce passes off of. That last point has never been Bendy's strong point. You ask what he's good at? He's our best aerial threat at forward. IMO, he's actually a better finisher than Giroud as he shows better touch. He's also a better crosser. I still rate Giroud as the better overall forward, though, although he definitely has weaknesses.

Which brings me again to this point: I don't want us to bring in a player to backup Giroud. I also don't want us to spend what would surely be a premium for someone to provide competition. Benteke has shown to be a one season wonder. And how much was the asking price for him last summer? 30 million? Bony? He'd be an upgrade on Bendtner...maybe. His goal scoring ratio is better. But is he the answer we're looking for?

Like I've said previously, I'd hate for us to buy someone now that would help limit what we could do this summer.
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