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Jan 25 2014, 07:19 PM
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Jan 25 2014, 07:02 PM
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Jan 25 2014, 06:54 PM
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Jan 25 2014, 05:07 PM
What's the point of this thread exactly? Is it to say that Bendtner isn't the player we want as second choice striker? If so, is it anything we didn't already know? Is it to say that we need another striker? If so, is it anything we didn't already know? Fact is, Bendtner was coming off an injury...an injury that occurred while scoring a crucial goal. How quickly it's forgotten. He had a bad game. Just like Giroud's had a handful of recently. We all know that we need a better striker than Bendy (better than Giroud, too, if we're going down this well traveled road again). Bendtner is a stopgap till the end of the year. But, what's the point in overspending for a backup that may or may not be better than Bendtner (since he isn't as bad as many of you are claiming) that will make it trickier to get the one that really need in this summer. And even if it doesn't preclude bringing in someone this summer, then we'll have another scarcely used player with a salary and an overpriced transfer fee on the books.

You know...I get bitched at on here for occasionally giving people like pizzy a platform to spout off how he was right (even though he's not). That's all this thread is.
you're a joke, first you said Bendtner is good enough as a backup striker for Arsena;, then you said "Bendtner isn't the player WE want as second choice striker?", can you actually see what you're posting?

Continue to make a joke of your self by claiming I'm wrong concerning Bendtner, I would have thought that considering Santry is a good mate of yours you would have learnt one or two things from his Chamakh brainfart.

I can believe in 2014 we are still debating Bendtner!, seriously? this shouldn't even be open for debate.
No. You're a fucking idiot and you show it each and every day on here. Bendtner IS good enough for backup for Arsenal...as we stand now. My stance is that if we're going to buy a striker, he needs to be better than Giroud and relegate HIM to backup thus elevating the starting AND backup positions. I've wanted Bendtner gone for a while because of all his other issues including his inability to hunker down and work hard to live up to his potential.

Point is, you rely on your eyes to make decisions on players. Fact is, you must be half blind as the only players you have any idea about are those spoon fed to you.
do you even know what a backup striker is?
if me thinking Bendtner is not good enough to be our backup striker makes me 'a fucking idiot', then I'm glad to be one.
You're a fucking idiot because you constantly think you know more than anybody on this board while showing over and over that you don't.
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Jan 25 2014, 06:08 PM
This thread is no more or less unnecessary than most others around here. In fact, what the fuck is a necessary thread? If some folks are disappointed in me for starting this and wish to boycott on principle, adios. But if we can get beyond shaming JODB for bringing it up, I invite everyone, my detractors included, to join the conversation.

I've actually defended Bendtner's play at times this season, but a few things hit me like a ton of bricks post-Coventry. First, to the match itself.

Bendtner was out only a couple of weeks and started training a week ago, so it's not like he's coming back from long-term injury. I reject the notion that he somehow gets a pass where his play can not be scrutinized and criticized. His one big blown opportunity took place in the ninth minute. It had nada to do with rounding into form or condition - it was another poor striker decision on his part. Guaranteed, Giroud makes the run to the near post on Jenkinson's cross and buries it. The rest of his performance featured some moments of transitional competence, but otherwise, a striker stinker.

By the way, absent that scramble goal that got him hurt, there would be at least two or three threads on this subject in session.

So, someone like Bony or Benteke? In a heartbeat. I'm at the stage of ABB (anything but Bendtner), and I can't imagine that those fellas wouldn't create more chances and make better use of top shelf service than the Great Dane, which brings me to my final point.

Can anyone tell me what Nicky's defining strength's are? For the other Arsenal strikers it's easy. Poldi can thump it like no other in the side and finishes like a top pro.. Theo can beat you with pace and finishing. Giroud, even if not banging in goals, does all the little things to help his team score.

The only thing that I've heard in defense of Bendtner is that he's familiar with the Arsenal system and players. I'll gladly trade that virtue for a bit of genuine spark coming off the bench. Ironically, I think he has matured, and his attitude seems to be great this season. It's unfortunate that he didn't grow up soon enough to apply himself to being a better player when he really had the chance.
it's rare for me to do this but
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Jan 25 2014, 06:08 PM
This thread is no more or less unnecessary than most others around here. In fact, what the fuck is a necessary thread? If some folks are disappointed in me for starting this and wish to boycott on principle, adios. But if we can get beyond shaming JODB for bringing it up, I invite everyone, my detractors included, to join the conversation.

I've actually defended Bendtner's play at times this season, but a few things hit me like a ton of bricks post-Coventry. First, to the match itself.

Bendtner was out only a couple of weeks and started training a week ago, so it's not like he's coming back from long-term injury. I reject the notion that he somehow gets a pass where his play can not be scrutinized and criticized. His one big blown opportunity took place in the ninth minute. It had nada to do with rounding into form or condition - it was another poor striker decision on his part. Guaranteed, Giroud makes the run to the near post on Jenkinson's cross and buries it. The rest of his performance featured some moments of transitional competence, but otherwise, a striker stinker.

By the way, absent that scramble goal that got him hurt, there would be at least two or three threads on this subject in session.

So, someone like Bony or Benteke? In a heartbeat. I'm at the stage of ABB (anything but Bendtner), and I can't imagine that those fellas wouldn't create more chances and make better use of top shelf service than the Great Dane, which brings me to my final point.

Can anyone tell me what Nicky's defining strength's are? For the other Arsenal strikers it's easy. Poldi can thump it like no other in the side and finishes like a top pro.. Theo can beat you with pace and finishing. Giroud, even if not banging in goals, does all the little things to help his team score.

The only thing that I've heard in defense of Bendtner is that he's familiar with the Arsenal system and players. I'll gladly trade that virtue for a bit of genuine spark coming off the bench. Ironically, I think he has matured, and his attitude seems to be great this season. It's unfortunate that he didn't grow up soon enough to apply himself to being a better player when he really had the chance.
Calm down.

Nobody said unnecessary. What was said was "unfair" and what I specifically said was "premature". After an hour of football, you reach for the black cap m'lord...

Most people here saw the incidents in the game that you saw. You are stretching the 9th minute opportunity created by Jenks' cross beyond all perspective, but in this you have to be anticipating Bendtner getting there first and hitting a bullet header. Which if you think about it is you using expectation of one of the strong attributes you say people can't name against him. Interesting.

The amazing thing however is that you have fixed upon a lack of effort as being key within the assessment. Yet Bendtner did try, did move laterally when Coventry attacked us and while his finishing was poor in the 30th and 60th minute this was all about reactions.

If he was to play the next game like this I might join you in your premature panic. But being fair I can't discount lack of sharpness. My eyes tell me that's what it was.
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Jan 26 2014, 03:16 AM
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Jan 25 2014, 06:08 PM
This thread is no more or less unnecessary than most others around here. In fact, what the fuck is a necessary thread? If some folks are disappointed in me for starting this and wish to boycott on principle, adios. But if we can get beyond shaming JODB for bringing it up, I invite everyone, my detractors included, to join the conversation.

I've actually defended Bendtner's play at times this season, but a few things hit me like a ton of bricks post-Coventry. First, to the match itself.

Bendtner was out only a couple of weeks and started training a week ago, so it's not like he's coming back from long-term injury. I reject the notion that he somehow gets a pass where his play can not be scrutinized and criticized. His one big blown opportunity took place in the ninth minute. It had nada to do with rounding into form or condition - it was another poor striker decision on his part. Guaranteed, Giroud makes the run to the near post on Jenkinson's cross and buries it. The rest of his performance featured some moments of transitional competence, but otherwise, a striker stinker.

By the way, absent that scramble goal that got him hurt, there would be at least two or three threads on this subject in session.

So, someone like Bony or Benteke? In a heartbeat. I'm at the stage of ABB (anything but Bendtner), and I can't imagine that those fellas wouldn't create more chances and make better use of top shelf service than the Great Dane, which brings me to my final point.

Can anyone tell me what Nicky's defining strength's are? For the other Arsenal strikers it's easy. Poldi can thump it like no other in the side and finishes like a top pro.. Theo can beat you with pace and finishing. Giroud, even if not banging in goals, does all the little things to help his team score.

The only thing that I've heard in defense of Bendtner is that he's familiar with the Arsenal system and players. I'll gladly trade that virtue for a bit of genuine spark coming off the bench. Ironically, I think he has matured, and his attitude seems to be great this season. It's unfortunate that he didn't grow up soon enough to apply himself to being a better player when he really had the chance.
Calm down.

Nobody said unnecessary. What was said was "unfair" and what I specifically said was "premature". After an hour of football, you reach for the black cap m'lord...

Most people here saw the incidents in the game that you saw. You are stretching the 9th minute opportunity created by Jenks' cross beyond all perspective, but in this you have to be anticipating Bendtner getting there first and hitting a bullet header. Which if you think about it is you using expectation of one of the strong attributes you say people can't name against him. Interesting.

The amazing thing however is that you have fixed upon a lack of effort as being key within the assessment. Yet Bendtner did try, did move laterally when Coventry attacked us and while his finishing was poor in the 30th and 60th minute this was all about reactions.

If he was to play the next game like this I might join you in your premature panic. But being fair I can't discount lack of sharpness. My eyes tell me that's what it was.
"Panic?" No more than most folks around the holidays as the shopping days dwindle. Actually, I'm quite calm. Thanks for checking in, though.

That this thread was unnecessary was implied. You'll notice that the word wasn't sandwiched between quotations.

So you've identified heading as a defining strength here, not me. I just wanted him to have the awareness to take the open space in front of him. Who knows what he may have done with the chance had he done so. Jenks read the opportunity perfectly. Nick, not so much.

And I've not once questioned Bendtner's "effort." He's matured, and he's obviously giving his best. Interestingly enough, it's you that persists with questions about his attitude. I'd say the acceptance of his role alone shows that he's a different Nick from the one with the inflated hat size. He seems like a good teammate ready to give all that he has when called upon.

But what if Giroud goes down and he's called upon to do the job against Chelsea or City? I would imagine options are being explored in the Arsenal War Room as we speak.
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Jan 25 2014, 06:08 PM
This thread is no more or less unnecessary than most others around here. In fact, what the fuck is a necessary thread? If some folks are disappointed in me for starting this and wish to boycott on principle, adios. But if we can get beyond shaming JODB for bringing it up, I invite everyone, my detractors included, to join the conversation.

I've actually defended Bendtner's play at times this season, but a few things hit me like a ton of bricks post-Coventry. First, to the match itself.

Bendtner was out only a couple of weeks and started training a week ago, so it's not like he's coming back from long-term injury. I reject the notion that he somehow gets a pass where his play can not be scrutinized and criticized. His one big blown opportunity took place in the ninth minute. It had nada to do with rounding into form or condition - it was another poor striker decision on his part. Guaranteed, Giroud makes the run to the near post on Jenkinson's cross and buries it. The rest of his performance featured some moments of transitional competence, but otherwise, a striker stinker.

By the way, absent that scramble goal that got him hurt, there would be at least two or three threads on this subject in session.

So, someone like Bony or Benteke? In a heartbeat. I'm at the stage of ABB (anything but Bendtner), and I can't imagine that those fellas wouldn't create more chances and make better use of top shelf service than the Great Dane, which brings me to my final point.

Can anyone tell me what Nicky's defining strength's are? For the other Arsenal strikers it's easy. Poldi can thump it like no other in the side and finishes like a top pro.. Theo can beat you with pace and finishing. Giroud, even if not banging in goals, does all the little things to help his team score.

The only thing that I've heard in defense of Bendtner is that he's familiar with the Arsenal system and players. I'll gladly trade that virtue for a bit of genuine spark coming off the bench. Ironically, I think he has matured, and his attitude seems to be great this season. It's unfortunate that he didn't grow up soon enough to apply himself to being a better player when he really had the chance.
Calm down.

Nobody said unnecessary. What was said was "unfair" and what I specifically said was "premature". After an hour of football, you reach for the black cap m'lord...

Most people here saw the incidents in the game that you saw. You are stretching the 9th minute opportunity created by Jenks' cross beyond all perspective, but in this you have to be anticipating Bendtner getting there first and hitting a bullet header. Which if you think about it is you using expectation of one of the strong attributes you say people can't name against him. Interesting.

The amazing thing however is that you have fixed upon a lack of effort as being key within the assessment. Yet Bendtner did try, did move laterally when Coventry attacked us and while his finishing was poor in the 30th and 60th minute this was all about reactions.

If he was to play the next game like this I might join you in your premature panic. But being fair I can't discount lack of sharpness. My eyes tell me that's what it was.
"Panic?" No more than most folks around the holidays as the shopping days dwindle. Actually, I'm quite calm. Thanks for checking in, though.

That this thread was unnecessary was implied. You'll notice that the word wasn't sandwiched between quotations.

So you've identified heading as a defining strength here, not me. I just wanted him to have the awareness to take the open space in front of him. Who knows what he may have done with the chance had he done so. Jenks read the opportunity perfectly. Nick, not so much.

And I've not once questioned Bendtner's "effort." He's matured, and he's obviously giving his best. Interestingly enough, it's you that persists with questions about his attitude. I'd say the acceptance of his role alone shows that he's a different Nick from the one with the inflated hat size. He seems like a good teammate ready to give all that he has when called upon.

But what if Giroud goes down and he's called upon to do the job against Chelsea or City? I would imagine options are being explored in the Arsenal War Room as we speak.
I checked my oxford thesaurus there to see if "unnecessary" and "premature" are synonyms. They're not. And as the louder part of your shout was as if that word was used I decided to try to find consensus with you on the important stuff. It's necessary if Bendtner falls flat on his face in the next few months when called in to rest Giroud.

There can be a variety of reasons why Bendtner wouldn't perform. I'm justified in saying attitude as this facet has so obviously dogged him until so very recently. Now I hope I'm wrong. The thing I don't doubt is his quality. And the thing I doubt less than the previous two is how a player can be a fraction off with their control, decisions and speed in a first match back after a 2-3 week hiatus.
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Jan 25 2014, 06:08 PM
This thread is no more or less unnecessary than most others around here. In fact, what the fuck is a necessary thread? If some folks are disappointed in me for starting this and wish to boycott on principle, adios. But if we can get beyond shaming JODB for bringing it up, I invite everyone, my detractors included, to join the conversation.

I've actually defended Bendtner's play at times this season, but a few things hit me like a ton of bricks post-Coventry. First, to the match itself.

Bendtner was out only a couple of weeks and started training a week ago, so it's not like he's coming back from long-term injury. I reject the notion that he somehow gets a pass where his play can not be scrutinized and criticized. His one big blown opportunity took place in the ninth minute. It had nada to do with rounding into form or condition - it was another poor striker decision on his part. Guaranteed, Giroud makes the run to the near post on Jenkinson's cross and buries it. The rest of his performance featured some moments of transitional competence, but otherwise, a striker stinker.

By the way, absent that scramble goal that got him hurt, there would be at least two or three threads on this subject in session.

So, someone like Bony or Benteke? In a heartbeat. I'm at the stage of ABB (anything but Bendtner), and I can't imagine that those fellas wouldn't create more chances and make better use of top shelf service than the Great Dane, which brings me to my final point.

Can anyone tell me what Nicky's defining strength's are? For the other Arsenal strikers it's easy. Poldi can thump it like no other in the side and finishes like a top pro.. Theo can beat you with pace and finishing. Giroud, even if not banging in goals, does all the little things to help his team score.

The only thing that I've heard in defense of Bendtner is that he's familiar with the Arsenal system and players. I'll gladly trade that virtue for a bit of genuine spark coming off the bench. Ironically, I think he has matured, and his attitude seems to be great this season. It's unfortunate that he didn't grow up soon enough to apply himself to being a better player when he really had the chance.
Agree with you 100%. I don't think most people here will understand just how much of a fragile position that we are in until we are placed in a position where we would have to start Bendtner in an important game. Theo Walcott is out for the season, Podolski has had his injury problems all season and also has shown that he is not effective in the central striker role. All it takes is a serious injury to Giroud and our season will unravel very quickly, all of the hard work to get us to top would have been for naught. We are not this vulnerable in any other position.

This season is going down to the wire, its going to be very close and there is a very slim margin for error; we aren't exactly 10 points clear of second place. I have nothing personal against Bendtner, if you checked me 4/5 years ago I was a huge supporter of this player. Its unfortunate that I have absolutely no faith in him to do the job if he is required.
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Jan 26 2014, 10:19 PM
Agree with you 100%. I don't think most people here will understand just how much of a fragile position that we are in until we are placed in a position where we would have to start Bendtner in an important game. Theo Walcott is out for the season, Podolski has had his injury problems all season and also has shown that he is not effective in the central striker role. All it takes is a serious injury to Giroud and our season will unravel very quickly, all of the hard work to get us to top would have been for naught. We are not this vulnerable in any other position.

This season is going down to the wire, its going to be very close and there is a very slim margin for error; we aren't exactly 10 points clear of second place. I have nothing personal against Bendtner, if you checked me 4/5 years ago I was a huge supporter of this player. Its unfortunate that I have absolutely no faith in him to do the job if he is required.
its scary thought when u put it like that
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Agree with you 100%. I don't think most people here will understand just how much of a fragile position that we are in until we are placed in a position where we would have to start Bendtner in an important game. Theo Walcott is out for the season, Podolski has had his injury problems all season and also has shown that he is not effective in the central striker role. All it takes is a serious injury to Giroud and our season will unravel very quickly, all of the hard work to get us to top would have been for naught. We are not this vulnerable in any other position.

This season is going down to the wire, its going to be very close and there is a very slim margin for error; we aren't exactly 10 points clear of second place. I have nothing personal against Bendtner, if you checked me 4/5 years ago I was a huge supporter of this player. Its unfortunate that I have absolutely no faith in him to do the job if he is required.
its scary thought when u put it like that
good post ras
vested interest in hoarding bread instead of wanting title keeps us in 3rd or 4th spot.
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Jan 26 2014, 10:19 PM
Agree with you 100%. I don't think most people here will understand just how much of a fragile position that we are in until we are placed in a position where we would have to start Bendtner in an important game. Theo Walcott is out for the season, Podolski has had his injury problems all season and also has shown that he is not effective in the central striker role. All it takes is a serious injury to Giroud and our season will unravel very quickly, all of the hard work to get us to top would have been for naught. We are not this vulnerable in any other position.

This season is going down to the wire, its going to be very close and there is a very slim margin for error; we aren't exactly 10 points clear of second place. I have nothing personal against Bendtner, if you checked me 4/5 years ago I was a huge supporter of this player. Its unfortunate that I have absolutely no faith in him to do the job if he is required.
its scary thought when u put it like that
good post ras
vested interest in hoarding bread instead of wanting title keeps us in 3rd or 4th spot.
More of the same. The gallery lets out a big collective yawn.
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Jan 26 2014, 10:19 PM
Agree with you 100%. I don't think most people here will understand just how much of a fragile position that we are in until we are placed in a position where we would have to start Bendtner in an important game. Theo Walcott is out for the season, Podolski has had his injury problems all season and also has shown that he is not effective in the central striker role. All it takes is a serious injury to Giroud and our season will unravel very quickly, all of the hard work to get us to top would have been for naught. We are not this vulnerable in any other position.

This season is going down to the wire, its going to be very close and there is a very slim margin for error; we aren't exactly 10 points clear of second place. I have nothing personal against Bendtner, if you checked me 4/5 years ago I was a huge supporter of this player. Its unfortunate that I have absolutely no faith in him to do the job if he is required.
its scary thought when u put it like that
That is true, but unfortunately the mistake was made in the summer.

I'm not panicking because Giroud is a very fit player, doesn't get injured. If Bendtner or Podolski can do a passable job at home against the minnows to give Giroud a rest, we'll be okay.

There's no way to replace Walcott's goals and assists, and that's been a big loss.

If we can manage to sign Draxler it will help, but last summer's mistake on the striker front needs to be addressed next summer, regardless of what happens.
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