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Topic Started: Jan 27 2014, 10:22 AM (1,837 Views)
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dsch15
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Jan 27 2014, 06:27 PM
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still cant fathom how cheapest b'ham dismantled us in cup final- could anyone please provide plausible explanation?
buying players like squillaci, denilson, porno goal keeper, silvestre, park, jeffers, andre santos...endless list goes on & on.
wasting precious bread on youthy is long forgotten by his followers. though some may think his moses leading us outta egypt-he wasted fortune on rubbish players is wot aint spoken bout. players we had problems getting off d book-costing us bread.
Just curious, if we had beaten Birmingham in that final would you consider the buying and selling at that time to have been justified? Would it have changed your outlook on Wenger at all?
always IF with wenger! if we'd beat b'ham it would show wenger had clue bout winning but d plonker came out saying wining aint everything. tis one thing getting 4th spot & quite another losing 2 cheap filthy team. but yes, i'd b much more tolerant of him if we'd won shambolic final. u could give chilli benefit of hearing dsch esteemed opinion on epic defeat. cheers! Tip toeing through this sewer to find the football posts is getting awfully difficult. I wonder if those participating could take the shitstorm elsewhere.
In the meantime, nothing good to say about the loss to Birmingham, but who cares? That team was not this one. We were still mired in the one star out, one lesser player in routine that we only just discontinued last summer.
Wenger now appears to have the resources to make this a much fairer fight. This year and next will be the ones that tell us if he still has what it takes to manage a winner.
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dsch15
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Jan 27 2014, 06:28 PM
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Given it's been demonstrated time and again just how delicate regime change can be in the EPL, I am baffled by how anyone could not view Wenger signing a new deal as nothing but positive.
Over the past few years, Wenger has sucessfully guided Arsenal to the expectations of the owners... the fact that those expectations do not match those of the fans is not really Mr Wengers problem.
It's no longer responsible to sit back and call for Wenger to go... without having an idea of who can step in and immediately make life better. And who should we replace him with??? AvB, Guus Hiddink, Rafa Benitez, David Moyes, Carol Ancelotti? All are names that have been thrown out before... all have come and gone.
No, I fear that in the future, when Le Boss exits, it will bring an amount of uncertainty to the club my heart could not bear. So for now, I welcome the new deal, all but being guaranteed of finishing in the top 4 and being in first place.
I think only two posters have mentioned AVB as wenger's potential replacement. The other 3 coaches that is Rafa,Ancelotti and Hiddink have proved they are more than capable of replacing Wenger.As for Wenger getting a new deal, I don't think that is news, we all know that 1) If Wenger wants a new deal then he WILL get one 2)He would not leave for another club till he retires, because no other club will give him the kind of control he gets at Arsenal, Wenger basically runs the club, he won't get that privilege at Real madrid or PSG. This tweet from Piers summed it up for moi " I understand Arsenal fans' devotion to Wenger. But no 'big club' manager in the world would get a new deal after 8yrs without a trophy."
I have to respectfully disagree. I think if any of those three are in charge in the previous 8 years there is more of a possibility we finish out of the top 4 then there is of ending our trophy drought. Those managers did well (at times) in programs where money was seemingly no option. This is clearly not the case at Arsenal. I think some (not you, but Piers) do not give Wenger enough credit for what he has accomplished in the past few years without a "blank check" business model. As this team emerges from their debts and spends more, I believe the path Wenger put this club on will pay dividends for many years to come.
Some really interesting quotes in this piece: http://www.arsenalfc.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=562&Itemid=64Particularly these: As I was doing the research for my book, I was talking to Ken Friar, who had been Arsenal‘s managing director for a long time, and I pointed out that it looks as if the club would possess a lot of money but does not want to spend it. He replied: „Well, we do not tell everything to everybody.“ In other words, Arsenal was nearly bankrupt. Tony Adams told me, that the club would have been in existential trouble if the team would have missed out on the Champions League for a couple of times. It seems almost incredible that Wenger achieved to keep the team on this level eventhough about 10 years ago he had to stop spending money on big renowned players.“
Wow! I often wonder how many of these big spending club run the risk of becoming... well..... RANGERS FC. If any of these quotes are accurate... then someday ownership is obligated to come clean and give Wenger his due!
Or Leeds! Here's the quote that sticks with me: Wenger did receive the assignment to only spend whatever was coming in (minus the enormous expenses for the credits). On the other hand, he should assure that Arsenal would play on an international level as often as possible in order to keep the income stable. Most managers would have packed their suitcases and left. Wenger stayed.I like that, even if it does gloss over the fact that most managers paid as well as Wenger has been might also have found it in their hearts to stay. On the other hand, I wonder how many would have survived the pressure and been able to continue to deliver.
Wenger was paid extremely well for the job...I don't know about you, but I'll take a £7m salary any day any time, if all I face is 'pressure' to finish top 4. Thought I'd mentioned that. Still, I think you might be overestimating your ability to deliver on it.
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
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Jan 27 2014, 06:32 PM
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still cant fathom how cheapest b'ham dismantled us in cup final- could anyone please provide plausible explanation?
buying players like squillaci, denilson, porno goal keeper, silvestre, park, jeffers, andre santos...endless list goes on & on.
wasting precious bread on youthy is long forgotten by his followers. though some may think his moses leading us outta egypt-he wasted fortune on rubbish players is wot aint spoken bout. players we had problems getting off d book-costing us bread.
Just curious, if we had beaten Birmingham in that final would you consider the buying and selling at that time to have been justified? Would it have changed your outlook on Wenger at all?
always IF with wenger! if we'd beat b'ham it would show wenger had clue bout winning but d plonker came out saying wining aint everything. tis one thing getting 4th spot & quite another losing 2 cheap filthy team. but yes, i'd b much more tolerant of him if we'd won shambolic final. u could give chilli benefit of hearing dsch esteemed opinion on epic defeat. cheers!
Tip toeing through this sewer to find the football posts is getting awfully difficult. I wonder if those participating could take the shitstorm elsewhere. In the meantime, nothing good to say about the loss to Birmingham, but who cares? That team was not this one. We were still mired in the one star out, one lesser player in routine that we only just discontinued last summer. Wenger now appears to have the resources to make this a much fairer fight. This year and next will be the ones that tell us if he still has what it takes to manage a winner. " I wonder if those participating could take the shitstorm elsewhere."
In a rare fit of self-awareness, I had already done such.
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Jan 27 2014, 06:34 PM
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- dream_team
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- mlshock35
- Jan 27 2014, 12:46 PM
Given it's been demonstrated time and again just how delicate regime change can be in the EPL, I am baffled by how anyone could not view Wenger signing a new deal as nothing but positive.
Over the past few years, Wenger has sucessfully guided Arsenal to the expectations of the owners... the fact that those expectations do not match those of the fans is not really Mr Wengers problem.
It's no longer responsible to sit back and call for Wenger to go... without having an idea of who can step in and immediately make life better. And who should we replace him with??? AvB, Guus Hiddink, Rafa Benitez, David Moyes, Carol Ancelotti? All are names that have been thrown out before... all have come and gone.
No, I fear that in the future, when Le Boss exits, it will bring an amount of uncertainty to the club my heart could not bear. So for now, I welcome the new deal, all but being guaranteed of finishing in the top 4 and being in first place.
I think only two posters have mentioned AVB as wenger's potential replacement. The other 3 coaches that is Rafa,Ancelotti and Hiddink have proved they are more than capable of replacing Wenger.As for Wenger getting a new deal, I don't think that is news, we all know that 1) If Wenger wants a new deal then he WILL get one 2)He would not leave for another club till he retires, because no other club will give him the kind of control he gets at Arsenal, Wenger basically runs the club, he won't get that privilege at Real madrid or PSG. This tweet from Piers summed it up for moi " I understand Arsenal fans' devotion to Wenger. But no 'big club' manager in the world would get a new deal after 8yrs without a trophy."
I have to respectfully disagree. I think if any of those three are in charge in the previous 8 years there is more of a possibility we finish out of the top 4 then there is of ending our trophy drought. Those managers did well (at times) in programs where money was seemingly no option. This is clearly not the case at Arsenal. I think some (not you, but Piers) do not give Wenger enough credit for what he has accomplished in the past few years without a "blank check" business model. As this team emerges from their debts and spends more, I believe the path Wenger put this club on will pay dividends for many years to come.
Some really interesting quotes in this piece: http://www.arsenalfc.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=562&Itemid=64Particularly these: As I was doing the research for my book, I was talking to Ken Friar, who had been Arsenal‘s managing director for a long time, and I pointed out that it looks as if the club would possess a lot of money but does not want to spend it. He replied: „Well, we do not tell everything to everybody.“ In other words, Arsenal was nearly bankrupt. Tony Adams told me, that the club would have been in existential trouble if the team would have missed out on the Champions League for a couple of times. It seems almost incredible that Wenger achieved to keep the team on this level eventhough about 10 years ago he had to stop spending money on big renowned players.“
Cruyff, are we supposed to believe this unsubstantiated obvious crap? I thought you studied journalism at a renowned college? SMH Call quotes from a respected journalist attributed to two sources identified by name as unsubstantiated? Check. Insult my intelligence? Check.
One of your more forgettable efforts on this forum (that's saying something).
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Jan 27 2014, 06:41 PM
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- Jan 27 2014, 05:46 PM
still cant fathom how cheapest b'ham dismantled us in cup final- could anyone please provide plausible explanation?
buying players like squillaci, denilson, porno goal keeper, silvestre, park, jeffers, andre santos...endless list goes on & on.
wasting precious bread on youthy is long forgotten by his followers. though some may think his moses leading us outta egypt-he wasted fortune on rubbish players is wot aint spoken bout. players we had problems getting off d book-costing us bread.
Just curious, if we had beaten Birmingham in that final would you consider the buying and selling at that time to have been justified? Would it have changed your outlook on Wenger at all?
always IF with wenger! if we'd beat b'ham it would show wenger had clue bout winning but d plonker came out saying wining aint everything. tis one thing getting 4th spot & quite another losing 2 cheap filthy team. but yes, i'd b much more tolerant of him if we'd won shambolic final. u could give chilli benefit of hearing dsch esteemed opinion on epic defeat. cheers!
Tip toeing through this sewer to find the football posts is getting awfully difficult. I wonder if those participating could take the shitstorm elsewhere. In the meantime, nothing good to say about the loss to Birmingham, but who cares? That team was not this one. We were still mired in the one star out, one lesser player in routine that we only just discontinued last summer. Wenger now appears to have the resources to make this a much fairer fight. This year and next will be the ones that tell us if he still has what it takes to manage a winner. " I wonder if those participating could take the shitstorm elsewhere."In a rare fit of self-awareness, I had already done such. Saw that after I posted. Noted and appreciated.
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Jan 27 2014, 06:42 PM
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Oh, oh. The Monotonous Brigade is out chanting their mantra in unison again.
Why bother trying to reason with these posters? And again, Piers Morgan is a total cock muncher. He cares more about the club than you and other 'gooners' though
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Jan 27 2014, 06:43 PM
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Oh, oh. The Monotonous Brigade is out chanting their mantra in unison again.
Why bother trying to reason with these posters? And again, Piers Morgan is a total cock muncher.
He cares more about the club than you and other 'gooners' though Really? How's that?
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Jan 27 2014, 06:43 PM
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Oh, oh. The Monotonous Brigade is out chanting their mantra in unison again.
Why bother trying to reason with these posters? And again, Piers Morgan is a total cock muncher.
He cares more about the club than you and other 'gooners' though How, exactly, does one measure that?
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Jan 27 2014, 06:44 PM
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Oh, oh. The Monotonous Brigade is out chanting their mantra in unison again.
Why bother trying to reason with these posters? And again, Piers Morgan is a total cock muncher.
He cares more about the club than you and other 'gooners' though LOL. We're not "gooners" because we recognize how important Arsene Wenger is to the club.
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Jan 27 2014, 06:45 PM
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This question is for those that think it is crazy to offer Wenger a contract now because he hasnt won a trophy in 8 years. If you were in charge of running the club, what would you do? Fire him right now and bring a new manager to see out the season? How about wait for him to see out the season and make a decision based on the success or failure of the team. I hope you realize that if you dont offer him a contract now, chances are he could walk away at the end of the season. Now imagine winning the league and your manager walking out the door, now that would be tough to explain. I think people also dont realize that changing managers doesnt necessarily guarantee success. It is easy enough to change managers when you back it up with millions of dollars but if you are still spending within your means, throwing in a manager with your budget is really risky. Right now the Glazers have lost millions, would lose more if they dont qualify for Europe and they are going to spend almost 200mil just to get back to challenging and there is no certainty if that would take them back to the top. Anyway if you believe this is the wrong move, then let me know what you would do if you were in charge of running the club. Wenger isn't going to walk away at the end of the season, no way
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