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@JODB well bog will have to confirm you did, because I doubt you apologised.
But even if you 'apologised' that still remains one of the most disgusting thing one can ever say to another human being. And considering the age you claim your are, that's pretty disappointing.

P.S Can we stop quoting an entire post it makes it difficult to read stuff.
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dream_team
Jan 27 2014, 06:45 PM
phatosas
Jan 27 2014, 05:50 PM
This question is for those that think it is crazy to offer Wenger a contract now because he hasnt won a trophy in 8 years. If you were in charge of running the club, what would you do? Fire him right now and bring a new manager to see out the season? How about wait for him to see out the season and make a decision based on the success or failure of the team. I hope you realize that if you dont offer him a contract now, chances are he could walk away at the end of the season. Now imagine winning the league and your manager walking out the door, now that would be tough to explain. I think people also dont realize that changing managers doesnt necessarily guarantee success. It is easy enough to change managers when you back it up with millions of dollars but if you are still spending within your means, throwing in a manager with your budget is really risky. Right now the Glazers have lost millions, would lose more if they dont qualify for Europe and they are going to spend almost 200mil just to get back to challenging and there is no certainty if that would take them back to the top. Anyway if you believe this is the wrong move, then let me know what you would do if you were in charge of running the club.
Wenger isn't going to walk away at the end of the season, no way
My thoughts exactly. That is a startingly naive post.
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Gooner0893
Jan 27 2014, 05:55 PM
phatosas
Jan 27 2014, 05:50 PM
This question is for those that think it is crazy to offer Wenger a contract now because he hasnt won a trophy in 8 years. If you were in charge of running the club, what would you do? Fire him right now and bring a new manager to see out the season? How about wait for him to see out the season and make a decision based on the success or failure of the team. I hope you realize that if you dont offer him a contract now, chances are he could walk away at the end of the season. Now imagine winning the league and your manager walking out the door, now that would be tough to explain. I think people also dont realize that changing managers doesnt necessarily guarantee success. It is easy enough to change managers when you back it up with millions of dollars but if you are still spending within your means, throwing in a manager with your budget is really risky. Right now the Glazers have lost millions, would lose more if they dont qualify for Europe and they are going to spend almost 200mil just to get back to challenging and there is no certainty if that would take them back to the top. Anyway if you believe this is the wrong move, then let me know what you would do if you were in charge of running the club.
Wenger is not walking away. He is going nowhere. You wait until the end of the season. It's not the end of the world if he leaves.
I criticized the board for renewing in the past but I cant blame them now. If this board kept on renewing his contract when it all looked bleak, I dont see how they wouldnt renew it now. I dont see the logic in waiting till the end of the season though, if you hire a new manager, what you would want him to do is exactly what Wenger is doing right now, competing. The reality is there is no formula when it comes to hiring managers, it is really hit and hope. Sometimes you hit the jackpot but most times you really end up getting screwed.

If you are an investor like Stan, you dont know a lot about football but you put in all that money to buy a club. So far you have spent less than 50mil on that squad since he assumed ownership, you have stayed in the Champions League every season and financially broken even. The club is one of the most profitable clubs in football and with these new deals it is even going to get richer. The one thing people have criticized the manager for, he is finally doing which is compete. Why on earth would you want to wait till the end of the season to see if the club wins to decide whether to renew the managers contract? As a fan you might be willing to put your bet elsewhere and take a plunge but as an owner (that isnt Abramovic or a Sheik) there is no way you wouldnt keep this manager
Edited by phatosas, Jan 27 2014, 07:37 PM.
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Jan 27 2014, 07:34 PM

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One of your more forgettable efforts on this forum (that's saying something).
Not meant as an insult. I hold you to a high standard because you were a journalism major unlike most of us who post here. However, I stand behind my initial comment about what you posted which is unsubstantiated rubbish to say the least. Come back at me with an article that was written and vetted by editors at respected organizations like the Guardian or the Telegraph or the BBC. If this story had any truth to it, the major English papers who cover Arsenal would certainly have written about something this significant. Also, why are we paying 7 million a year to a coach while on the cusp of filing for bankruptcy? Why has the honorable Wenger accepted this significant salary?

I was going to say that, but I already knew the reply I'll get
Edited by dream_team, Jan 27 2014, 07:38 PM.
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Jan 27 2014, 07:31 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 07:24 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 07:21 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 06:50 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 27 2014, 06:00 PM
Gooner0893
Jan 27 2014, 05:59 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 27 2014, 05:51 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 05:48 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 05:45 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 05:42 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 27 2014, 05:38 PM
Gooner0893
Jan 27 2014, 05:37 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 27 2014, 05:35 PM
Oh, oh. The Monotonous Brigade is out chanting their mantra in unison again.

Why bother trying to reason with these posters? And again, Piers Morgan is a total cock muncher.
He is not even aware of your existence. why bother with this insult?
Another stupid response. You're on a roll.
No, you should be ashamed of resorting to insults. I haven't insulted you. Why can't you defend your point of view without saying these sort of things. This is unecessary.
Though you really insult yourself, I didn't insult you; I insulted your stupid response.

And from a fella who's had no problem slinging racist epithets and insinuating that I am a pedophile, I laugh at your outrage here.

Wait, now an insult is coming... clown!
I never insinuated that you were a pedophile or anything vile. You are really reaching here buddy. I make fun of your supposed football prowess but never any insults. I don't believe in them.
You lying fuck. I'm sure many remember how low it got between me and bog with the whole momma thing. He upped the ante to calling me a pedo, and you jumped right in courageously with insinuation after insinuation about my relationship with kids.

You have absolutely no moral authority around these parts.

Another clown double-down.
Provide proof of that... You are a liar. I condemned you for the things you wrote which were unbecoming of you. I never accused of pedophilia. You are a liar. I am pretty sure that no poster on this board will say that I did such a thing. You are a liar.
From the other forum, so no somking gun is available. But I have a very good memory, and I recall your pedo taunts like it was yesterday.

#cowardlylyingfuck0893
He never accused you of being a paedophile JODB, stop lying, you on the other hand accused bog's mom of being a wh*re, and that for me is probably the most disgusting thing you can ever say to someone.
im sure he'll deny calling another posters mama whore.
No denial. I did it, and hell, I even apologized to bog for it. Remember?

Now take this back and forth away from a perfectly good thread. If any of you three wish to have at me, send me a personal message.
no personal message from chilly 2 u. lets have it out in d open where it started.
Well, I'll honor the request of my fellow poster (I'm sure one that others would make as well) to cease the "shitstorm" on this thread. Be clear that is my motive, and certainly not any fer of matching wits or insults with you in public.

We've done the public thing to death. If you really had any guts, you'd meet with me privately through the personal message feature provided here.
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Jan 27 2014, 07:03 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 06:56 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 06:28 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 06:27 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 04:38 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 04:05 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 03:14 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 03:08 PM
dream_team
Jan 27 2014, 01:19 PM
mlshock35
Jan 27 2014, 12:46 PM
Given it's been demonstrated time and again just how delicate regime change can be in the EPL, I am baffled by how anyone could not view Wenger signing a new deal as nothing but positive.

Over the past few years, Wenger has sucessfully guided Arsenal to the expectations of the owners... the fact that those expectations do not match those of the fans is not really Mr Wengers problem.

It's no longer responsible to sit back and call for Wenger to go... without having an idea of who can step in and immediately make life better. And who should we replace him with??? AvB, Guus Hiddink, Rafa Benitez, David Moyes, Carol Ancelotti? All are names that have been thrown out before... all have come and gone.

No, I fear that in the future, when Le Boss exits, it will bring an amount of uncertainty to the club my heart could not bear. So for now, I welcome the new deal, all but being guaranteed of finishing in the top 4 and being in first place.
I think only two posters have mentioned AVB as wenger's potential replacement. The other 3 coaches that is Rafa,Ancelotti and Hiddink have proved they are more than capable of replacing Wenger.
As for Wenger getting a new deal, I don't think that is news, we all know that
1) If Wenger wants a new deal then he WILL get one
2)He would not leave for another club till he retires, because no other club will give him the kind of control he gets at Arsenal, Wenger basically runs the club, he won't get that privilege at Real madrid or PSG.
This tweet from Piers summed it up for moi "I understand Arsenal fans' devotion to Wenger. But no 'big club' manager in the world would get a new deal after 8yrs without a trophy."
I have to respectfully disagree. I think if any of those three are in charge in the previous 8 years there is more of a possibility we finish out of the top 4 then there is of ending our trophy drought. Those managers did well (at times) in programs where money was seemingly no option. This is clearly not the case at Arsenal.

I think some (not you, but Piers) do not give Wenger enough credit for what he has accomplished in the past few years without a "blank check" business model. As this team emerges from their debts and spends more, I believe the path Wenger put this club on will pay dividends for many years to come.
Some really interesting quotes in this piece: http://www.arsenalfc.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=562&Itemid=64

Particularly these:

As I was doing the research for my book, I was talking to Ken Friar, who had been Arsenal‘s managing director for a long time, and I pointed out that it looks as if the club would possess a lot of money but does not want to spend it. He replied: „Well, we do not tell everything to everybody.“ In other words, Arsenal was nearly bankrupt. Tony Adams told me, that the club would have been in existential trouble if the team would have missed out on the Champions League for a couple of times. It seems almost incredible that Wenger achieved to keep the team on this level eventhough about 10 years ago he had to stop spending money on big renowned players.“
Wow! I often wonder how many of these big spending club run the risk of becoming... well..... RANGERS FC. If any of these quotes are accurate... then someday ownership is obligated to come clean and give Wenger his due!
Or Leeds!

Here's the quote that sticks with me:
Wenger did receive the assignment to only spend whatever was coming in (minus the enormous expenses for the credits). On the other hand, he should assure that Arsenal would play on an international level as often as possible in order to keep the income stable. Most managers would have packed their suitcases and left. Wenger stayed.

I like that, even if it does gloss over the fact that most managers paid as well as Wenger has been might also have found it in their hearts to stay. On the other hand, I wonder how many would have survived the pressure and been able to continue to deliver.
Wenger was paid extremely well for the job...I don't know about you, but I'll take a £7m salary any day any time, if all I face is 'pressure' to finish top 4.
Thought I'd mentioned that. Still, I think you might be overestimating your ability to deliver on it.
Well I'm putting myself in the position of a qualified coach, if I get paid £7m a year, and all pressure I face is to try and deliver a top 4 finish, I'll gladly take the Job and I WOULD NOT walk away unless the club wants me too, £7m is too good to walk away from.
Even if the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona were lining up for your services?
They are not. Real Madrid did once. And he will never go to either club. He would not have half the power and control he has at Arsenal.
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Jan 27 2014, 07:36 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 06:45 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 05:50 PM
This question is for those that think it is crazy to offer Wenger a contract now because he hasnt won a trophy in 8 years. If you were in charge of running the club, what would you do? Fire him right now and bring a new manager to see out the season? How about wait for him to see out the season and make a decision based on the success or failure of the team. I hope you realize that if you dont offer him a contract now, chances are he could walk away at the end of the season. Now imagine winning the league and your manager walking out the door, now that would be tough to explain. I think people also dont realize that changing managers doesnt necessarily guarantee success. It is easy enough to change managers when you back it up with millions of dollars but if you are still spending within your means, throwing in a manager with your budget is really risky. Right now the Glazers have lost millions, would lose more if they dont qualify for Europe and they are going to spend almost 200mil just to get back to challenging and there is no certainty if that would take them back to the top. Anyway if you believe this is the wrong move, then let me know what you would do if you were in charge of running the club.
Wenger isn't going to walk away at the end of the season, no way
My thoughts exactly. That is a startingly naive post.
You missed the meaning of phato's post as well. Hard to read with blinders on.
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Gooner0893
Jan 27 2014, 07:36 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 06:45 PM
phatosas
Jan 27 2014, 05:50 PM
This question is for those that think it is crazy to offer Wenger a contract now because he hasnt won a trophy in 8 years. If you were in charge of running the club, what would you do? Fire him right now and bring a new manager to see out the season? How about wait for him to see out the season and make a decision based on the success or failure of the team. I hope you realize that if you dont offer him a contract now, chances are he could walk away at the end of the season. Now imagine winning the league and your manager walking out the door, now that would be tough to explain. I think people also dont realize that changing managers doesnt necessarily guarantee success. It is easy enough to change managers when you back it up with millions of dollars but if you are still spending within your means, throwing in a manager with your budget is really risky. Right now the Glazers have lost millions, would lose more if they dont qualify for Europe and they are going to spend almost 200mil just to get back to challenging and there is no certainty if that would take them back to the top. Anyway if you believe this is the wrong move, then let me know what you would do if you were in charge of running the club.
Wenger isn't going to walk away at the end of the season, no way
My thoughts exactly. That is a startingly naive post.
First of all there is nothing naive in my post. A manager is bounded by a contract and if he breaks that contract and walks away he loses money. If the club decides to fire him, they have to pay compensation for the rest of the contract. If a club decides to wait till the end of the season to see out the managers contract, it means they dont trust him enough. Lets say at the end of the season a club like PSG or Real Madrid, two clubs he has been linked to in the past make an attempt to get him and you as an owner bring a new contract, there is every chance he can walk out especially if he feels betrayed by you lack of trust in him. The reality is once a manager sees out his contract, he is in the open market. While Wenger might not be valued by Arsenal fans, there are a lot of clubs, big and small that would want the manager.
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Jan 27 2014, 07:37 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 05:55 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 05:50 PM
This question is for those that think it is crazy to offer Wenger a contract now because he hasnt won a trophy in 8 years. If you were in charge of running the club, what would you do? Fire him right now and bring a new manager to see out the season? How about wait for him to see out the season and make a decision based on the success or failure of the team. I hope you realize that if you dont offer him a contract now, chances are he could walk away at the end of the season. Now imagine winning the league and your manager walking out the door, now that would be tough to explain. I think people also dont realize that changing managers doesnt necessarily guarantee success. It is easy enough to change managers when you back it up with millions of dollars but if you are still spending within your means, throwing in a manager with your budget is really risky. Right now the Glazers have lost millions, would lose more if they dont qualify for Europe and they are going to spend almost 200mil just to get back to challenging and there is no certainty if that would take them back to the top. Anyway if you believe this is the wrong move, then let me know what you would do if you were in charge of running the club.
Wenger is not walking away. He is going nowhere. You wait until the end of the season. It's not the end of the world if he leaves.
I criticized the board for renewing in the past but I cant blame them now. If this board kept on renewing his contract when it all looked bleak, I dont see how they wouldnt renew it now. I dont see the logic in waiting till the end of the season though, if you hire a new manager, what you would want him to do is exactly what Wenger is doing right now, competing. The reality is there is no formula when it comes to hiring managers, it is really hit and hope. Sometimes you hit the jackpot but most times you really end up getting screwed.

If you are an investor like Stan, you dont know a lot about football but you put in all that money to buy a club. So far you have spent less than 50mil on that squad since he assumed ownership, you have stayed in the Champions League every season and financially broken even. The club is one of the most profitable clubs in football and with these new deals it is even going to get richer. The one thing people have criticized the manager for, he is finally doing which is compete. Why on earth would you want to wait till the end of the season to see if the club wins to decide whether to renew the managers contract? As a fan you might be willing to put your bet elsewhere and take a plunge but as an owner (that isnt Abramovic or a Sheik) there is no way you wouldnt keep this manager
Why would the club wait until the end of the season? HOw about 9 trophyless seasons if he does not win a trophy this year again. What is the rush? The guy is going nowhere. He is a little god for some at the club and he has managed to convince many that nobody is capable of winning more games than he can at Arsenal.
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Jan 27 2014, 07:23 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 07:13 PM
Ever notice that the smaller and more isolated a group gets, the louder and more ridiculous it tends to become?
WHO ARE YOU CALLING LOUD AND RIDICULOUS?
YOU. AND STOP REFERRING TO MY MOTHER AS A PINK HELMET.
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