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Topic Started: Jan 27 2014, 10:22 AM (1,832 Views)
santry_gooner
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What an excellent thread:
1 we receive news of a big cash inflow that will help the club
2 we recieve news that we have secured the services of the best football manager in the game

But we have three individuals attempting to piss in the punch.

My favourite is that gooner0893 thinks he could achieve as much as Arsene. Close your eyes for a minute and imagine us playing non-league football. But nil desperandum: Soloman Kalou is our top scorer and we will be signing some Ivorean hopefuls next season.
Edited by santry_gooner, Jan 28 2014, 01:33 AM.
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Does that mean that we can spend 30 million at least every year ? Please tell me so :)
More good years ahead. Cheers my fellow Gooners.
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WX_Hitman
Jan 28 2014, 02:05 AM
Does that mean that we can spend 30 million at least every year ? Please tell me so :)
More good years ahead. Cheers my fellow Gooners.
I think it means we can spend far more than that. So long as the company pays it's debts, bills and the share price remains stable that's straight into much needed and often deferred player investment. Wenger knows.
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dream_team
Jan 27 2014, 01:39 PM
cruyff_turn
Jan 27 2014, 01:27 PM
pretty poor article there, if I'm to be honest.
The writer missed some important key points

1)This year we have Everton,Liverpool,Tottenham and Man united fighting for the 4th spot
2)Unlike in the past where Arsenal was competing with ONLY one team for 4th spot, in most cases it was spurs , on one occasion it's been Aston villa and on another occasion I think it was Everton.
3) And we all know that Aston villa team and the Everton team are no where near as good as united competitors this season
4)Finally what is he on about comparing Mata's sale to RVP?, RVP was the first name on Wenger's team sheet, Mata not so much with Mourinho, talk about 'false equivalence'. Add the £37mil offer for a player who mourinho hates to it and you'll realise how ridiculous the author sounds.
I noticed Cruyff couldn't reply to this because I've illustrated that the battle for the 4th spot was easier then than now, and overall i've exposed the flaws in that 'article'.
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santry_gooner
Jan 28 2014, 01:33 AM
What an excellent thread:
1 we receive news of a big cash inflow that will help the club
2 we recieve news that we have secured the services of the best football manager in the game

But we have three individuals attempting to piss in the punch.

My favourite is that gooner0893 thinks he could achieve as much as Arsene. Close your eyes for a minute and imagine us playing non-league football. But nil desperandum: Soloman Kalou is our top scorer and we will be signing some Ivorean hopefuls next season.
Excuse me?? the best football manager in the game, is the one that hasn't won anything for over 8 years. Thanks for the early morning laugh mate. Hope you've having a great day over there in Ireland?
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dsch15
Jan 27 2014, 04:38 PM
mlshock35
Jan 27 2014, 04:05 PM
cruyff_turn
Jan 27 2014, 03:14 PM
mlshock35
Jan 27 2014, 03:08 PM
dream_team
Jan 27 2014, 01:19 PM
mlshock35
Jan 27 2014, 12:46 PM
Given it's been demonstrated time and again just how delicate regime change can be in the EPL, I am baffled by how anyone could not view Wenger signing a new deal as nothing but positive.

Over the past few years, Wenger has sucessfully guided Arsenal to the expectations of the owners... the fact that those expectations do not match those of the fans is not really Mr Wengers problem.

It's no longer responsible to sit back and call for Wenger to go... without having an idea of who can step in and immediately make life better. And who should we replace him with??? AvB, Guus Hiddink, Rafa Benitez, David Moyes, Carol Ancelotti? All are names that have been thrown out before... all have come and gone.

No, I fear that in the future, when Le Boss exits, it will bring an amount of uncertainty to the club my heart could not bear. So for now, I welcome the new deal, all but being guaranteed of finishing in the top 4 and being in first place.
I think only two posters have mentioned AVB as wenger's potential replacement. The other 3 coaches that is Rafa,Ancelotti and Hiddink have proved they are more than capable of replacing Wenger.
As for Wenger getting a new deal, I don't think that is news, we all know that
1) If Wenger wants a new deal then he WILL get one
2)He would not leave for another club till he retires, because no other club will give him the kind of control he gets at Arsenal, Wenger basically runs the club, he won't get that privilege at Real madrid or PSG.
This tweet from Piers summed it up for moi "I understand Arsenal fans' devotion to Wenger. But no 'big club' manager in the world would get a new deal after 8yrs without a trophy."
I have to respectfully disagree. I think if any of those three are in charge in the previous 8 years there is more of a possibility we finish out of the top 4 then there is of ending our trophy drought. Those managers did well (at times) in programs where money was seemingly no option. This is clearly not the case at Arsenal.

I think some (not you, but Piers) do not give Wenger enough credit for what he has accomplished in the past few years without a "blank check" business model. As this team emerges from their debts and spends more, I believe the path Wenger put this club on will pay dividends for many years to come.
Some really interesting quotes in this piece: http://www.arsenalfc.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=562&Itemid=64

Particularly these:

As I was doing the research for my book, I was talking to Ken Friar, who had been Arsenal‘s managing director for a long time, and I pointed out that it looks as if the club would possess a lot of money but does not want to spend it. He replied: „Well, we do not tell everything to everybody.“ In other words, Arsenal was nearly bankrupt. Tony Adams told me, that the club would have been in existential trouble if the team would have missed out on the Champions League for a couple of times. It seems almost incredible that Wenger achieved to keep the team on this level eventhough about 10 years ago he had to stop spending money on big renowned players.“
Wow! I often wonder how many of these big spending club run the risk of becoming... well..... RANGERS FC. If any of these quotes are accurate... then someday ownership is obligated to come clean and give Wenger his due!
Or Leeds!

Here's the quote that sticks with me:
Wenger did receive the assignment to only spend whatever was coming in (minus the enormous expenses for the credits). On the other hand, he should assure that Arsenal would play on an international level as often as possible in order to keep the income stable. Most managers would have packed their suitcases and left. Wenger stayed.

I like that, even if it does gloss over the fact that most managers paid as well as Wenger has been might also have found it in their hearts to stay. On the other hand, I wonder how many would have survived the pressure and been able to continue to deliver.
All of these quotes and info you have provided is absolute gold! Well done. Anyone who reads this and can't comprehend or appreciate what exactly it is Wenger has done for this club needs to read it all again more carefully.

I can think of several managers in recent years who have parted ways with clubs because they felt they were not being properly funded with transfer cash. Yet all they were asked to achieve is finishing out of the bottom three. LOL (Maybe the top 10!)

The fact that Wenger could have written his own ticket outta here, yet stayed and has silently and successfully guided this team to the expectations of the ownership. Much respect.
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This thread took a huge left turn along its journey.
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KamyFC
Jan 27 2014, 11:32 PM
Wow. So we move away from Nike to Puma. We have Nike shops here but i never see Puma stores!
The deal is worth more than £30m a year. This will definitely boost our purchasing power.

By the way Puma's biggest name athlete is Jamaican runner Usain Bolt.
Excuse me? They have Thierry Henry.
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phatosas
Jan 27 2014, 05:50 PM
This question is for those that think it is crazy to offer Wenger a contract now because he hasnt won a trophy in 8 years. If you were in charge of running the club, what would you do? Fire him right now and bring a new manager to see out the season? How about wait for him to see out the season and make a decision based on the success or failure of the team. I hope you realize that if you dont offer him a contract now, chances are he could walk away at the end of the season. Now imagine winning the league and your manager walking out the door, now that would be tough to explain. I think people also dont realize that changing managers doesnt necessarily guarantee success. It is easy enough to change managers when you back it up with millions of dollars but if you are still spending within your means, throwing in a manager with your budget is really risky. Right now the Glazers have lost millions, would lose more if they dont qualify for Europe and they are going to spend almost 200mil just to get back to challenging and there is no certainty if that would take them back to the top. Anyway if you believe this is the wrong move, then let me know what you would do if you were in charge of running the club.
This post got lost in the mire, deserves more attention.
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supercollider7
Jan 28 2014, 09:56 AM
phatosas
Jan 27 2014, 05:50 PM
This question is for those that think it is crazy to offer Wenger a contract now because he hasnt won a trophy in 8 years. If you were in charge of running the club, what would you do? Fire him right now and bring a new manager to see out the season? How about wait for him to see out the season and make a decision based on the success or failure of the team. I hope you realize that if you dont offer him a contract now, chances are he could walk away at the end of the season. Now imagine winning the league and your manager walking out the door, now that would be tough to explain. I think people also dont realize that changing managers doesnt necessarily guarantee success. It is easy enough to change managers when you back it up with millions of dollars but if you are still spending within your means, throwing in a manager with your budget is really risky. Right now the Glazers have lost millions, would lose more if they dont qualify for Europe and they are going to spend almost 200mil just to get back to challenging and there is no certainty if that would take them back to the top. Anyway if you believe this is the wrong move, then let me know what you would do if you were in charge of running the club.
This post got lost in the mire, deserves more attention.
I guess the anti-Wegner group would say that the club has painted themselves into a corner now with AW. Not renewing his deal is almost impossible now. With the corner apparently turned on what the club can do in the transfer market, the club owe it to AW to let him see this out with the increased spending power and 8 trophy-less seasons be damned. However, if he can't deliver a trophy in the next couple seasons than out the door.

Just to make this clear, this is not my opinion just what I think those highly critical of AW would say about his new contract extension.
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