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Busy day at the Emirates
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Topic Started: Jan 27 2014, 10:22 AM (1,830 Views)
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dream_team
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Jan 28 2014, 01:26 PM
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- jays712
- Jan 28 2014, 01:15 PM
- dream_team
- Jan 28 2014, 12:37 PM
Let's give an example of how finishing below the top 4 can affect a club shall we.? Let's choose a good example Juventus, they experienced something FAR WORSE than missing out of a top 4. They got relegated about 7 years ago, they got promoted in their first season in serie B, and then finished 3rd in their first season back in Serie A. In other words they were back in the UCL after 2 years of relegation, not that difficult is it? Lest we forget when all these was going on they also built a new stadium. Missing out of the top 4 is quite not the same as Arsenal or united getting relegated to the championship, so I don't get where the idea that 'if you miss out of the top 4 then you are doomed', came from?
Liverpool haven't been able to get back in the UCL because they've been wasting money kenny daglish was the worst culprit.
Phato I don't get where you got the £200m figure from, if united finish out of the top 4, all they have to do is finish above spurs, everton and Liverpool not that difficult is it? you surely don't need £200m for that. Considering the fact that spurs have been in the CL before, but the participation in the CL cost them the qulification for the next, that could easily be the case for whoever finishes top 4 among those teams. Infact I'm willing to bet that if one of those 3 finish top this season, they won't finish top 4 the following year.
Juve built a smaller stadium at about a third of the price of the Emirates. They also didn't get relegated because they stunk, they got relegated due to fixing matches. While some players left, many like Buffon and Del Piero stayed. When they came back after one season In the lower level, they still had a really good team so no surprise they finished as high as they did. A better example of mortgaging everything on CL qualifying is Leeds United. They still haven't recovered. I forgot to mention that their stadium was less expensive but nevertheless they built a new stadium, and they don't get the kind of TV money and other revenues we get here in England over there.
And Jays, how come being relegated to serie B isn't much more difficult than finishing 5th? because from your post that's what you are insinuating? you mentioned they lost some players but still kept some, wouldn't it have been easier to keep more players if they finished 5th?
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Jan 28 2014, 01:53 PM
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My question to the Wengerites is what happens this year and next year if Their little god does not win a trophy? What happens then? Do we keep the status quo because the "god" who hasn't shown that he is capable of winning a trophy in 8 plus years cannot be fired? How much leeway is too much? Will anyone among you Wengerites call for him to fired if he goes 10 years without a trophy and is 0-40 during that span? These questions have to be asked because what we are seeing with some fans here is literally the worship of a human being.
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Jan 28 2014, 01:59 PM
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My question to the Wengerites is what happens this year and next year if Their little god does not win a trophy? What happens then? Do we keep the status quo because the "god" who hasn't shown that he is capable of winning a trophy in 8 plus years cannot be fired? How much leeway is too much? Will anyone among you Wengerites call for him to fired if he goes 10 years without a trophy and is 0-40 during that span? These questions have to be asked because what we are seeing with some fans here is literally the worship of a human being. With all due respect, well, um... horseshit.
This is the sort of incendiary exaggeration of positions that never leads to sensible discussion (let alone resolution) of differences.
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Jan 28 2014, 02:00 PM
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My question to the Wengerites is what happens this year and next year if Their little god does not win a trophy? What happens then? Do we keep the status quo because the "god" who hasn't shown that he is capable of winning a trophy in 8 plus years cannot be fired? How much leeway is too much? Will anyone among you Wengerites call for him to fired if he goes 10 years without a trophy and is 0-40 during that span? These questions have to be asked because what we are seeing with some fans here is literally the worship of a human being. We worship The Arsenal. You worship Mourinho and clubs with unlimited resources.
See Xixou, I told you about negotiating with terrorists. FASLG!
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supercollider7
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Jan 28 2014, 02:02 PM
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My question to the Wengerites is what happens this year and next year if Their little god does not win a trophy? What happens then? Do we keep the status quo because the "god" who hasn't shown that he is capable of winning a trophy in 8 plus years cannot be fired? How much leeway is too much? Will anyone among you Wengerites call for him to fired if he goes 10 years without a trophy and is 0-40 during that span? These questions have to be asked because what we are seeing with some fans here is literally the worship of a human being. wat
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Jan 28 2014, 02:02 PM
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for d record b 4 chilly gets quoted outta context.......chilli approves of wenger for seasons efforts and has said so many atimes on forum dis season but im highly pissed we aint splash on costa or jackson. wenger references on dis thread refer to last 8 years and so far this season and past is like nite & day. just dont want us to end up in 3rd or 4th spot like previous seasons.
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supercollider7
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Jan 28 2014, 02:08 PM
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- chillyheat
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for d record b 4 chilly gets quoted outta context.......chilli approves of wenger for seasons efforts and has said so many atimes on forum dis season but im highly pissed we aint splash on costa or jackson. wenger references on dis thread refer to last 8 years and so far this season and past is like nite & day. just dont want us to end up in 3rd or 4th spot like previous seasons. You're not being quoted out of context, chilly, you just change your opinion completely every day. And you being pissed about Jackson and Costa doesn't make any sense. the consensus is that Jackson isn't worth our entire transfer budget, and Costa is not moving midseason because he wants to try to win la liga with Atleti. Not that Simeone would let his striker go at this point. People are just calling you out on your continued denial of these issues and your constant peddling of the tired old "goat only making money for greedy board" line. The club are trying to do deals for Draxler and Vucinic, so let's see how that turns out. If anything you should be sightly pissed we didn't sign Mitroglou who has a great record in the CL and is moving to Fulham for only 14m.
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Jan 28 2014, 02:11 PM
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- dsch15
- Jan 28 2014, 01:59 PM
- Gooner0893
- Jan 28 2014, 01:53 PM
My question to the Wengerites is what happens this year and next year if Their little god does not win a trophy? What happens then? Do we keep the status quo because the "god" who hasn't shown that he is capable of winning a trophy in 8 plus years cannot be fired? How much leeway is too much? Will anyone among you Wengerites call for him to fired if he goes 10 years without a trophy and is 0-40 during that span? These questions have to be asked because what we are seeing with some fans here is literally the worship of a human being.
With all due respect, well, um... horseshit. This is the sort of incendiary exaggeration of positions that never leads to sensible discussion (let alone resolution) of differences. Let rephrase my question as nicely as possible DCSH. If Wenger goes 10 seasons without winning a trophy, do we keep the status quo or is it okay then to show him the door?
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Jan 28 2014, 02:16 PM
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- chillyheat
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for d record b 4 chilly gets quoted outta context.......chilli approves of wenger for seasons efforts and has said so many atimes on forum dis season but im highly pissed we aint splash on costa or jackson. wenger references on dis thread refer to last 8 years and so far this season and past is like nite & day. just dont want us to end up in 3rd or 4th spot like previous seasons. Chilli hedging Chilli bets
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dsch15
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Jan 28 2014, 02:19 PM
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- Gooner0893
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- Jan 28 2014, 01:59 PM
- Gooner0893
- Jan 28 2014, 01:53 PM
My question to the Wengerites is what happens this year and next year if Their little god does not win a trophy? What happens then? Do we keep the status quo because the "god" who hasn't shown that he is capable of winning a trophy in 8 plus years cannot be fired? How much leeway is too much? Will anyone among you Wengerites call for him to fired if he goes 10 years without a trophy and is 0-40 during that span? These questions have to be asked because what we are seeing with some fans here is literally the worship of a human being.
With all due respect, well, um... horseshit. This is the sort of incendiary exaggeration of positions that never leads to sensible discussion (let alone resolution) of differences.
Let rephrase my question as nicely as possible DCSH. If Wenger goes 10 seasons without winning a trophy, do we keep the status quo or is it okay then to show him the door? Much better!
I don't know when the clock will strike midnight but it has certainly started ticking more loudly now that he has new resources to work with. The answer will be complicated by having to account for what our rivals do, but my schedule for the team is that we win something important by the end of the 2014-15 season. I might be induced to show more patience if we are making steady progress and continuing to add top class talent. We'll see.
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