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Busy day at the Emirates
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Topic Started: Jan 27 2014, 10:22 AM (1,829 Views)
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chillyheat
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Jan 28 2014, 02:20 PM
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- supercollider7
- Jan 28 2014, 02:08 PM
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- Jan 28 2014, 02:02 PM
for d record b 4 chilly gets quoted outta context.......chilli approves of wenger for seasons efforts and has said so many atimes on forum dis season but im highly pissed we aint splash on costa or jackson. wenger references on dis thread refer to last 8 years and so far this season and past is like nite & day. just dont want us to end up in 3rd or 4th spot like previous seasons.
You're not being quoted out of context, chilly, you just change your opinion completely every day. And you being pissed about Jackson and Costa doesn't make any sense. the consensus is that Jackson isn't worth our entire transfer budget, and Costa is not moving midseason because he wants to try to win la liga with Atleti. Not that Simeone would let his striker go at this point. People are just calling you out on your continued denial of these issues and your constant peddling of the tired old "goat only making money for greedy board" line. The club are trying to do deals for Draxler and Vucinic, so let's see how that turns out. If anything you should be sightly pissed we didn't sign Mitroglou who has a great record in the CL and is moving to Fulham for only 14m. beg to disagree mr trees. chilli been mostly happy dis season with performances to date even authoring thread in salutation of wenger or u wanna deny dat to? maybe i aint yet fan of his like u & others just yet-i'll give u dat. mayb u can point out where i damaged his ego on dis thread?
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Joe Bobs Fine Foods
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Jan 28 2014, 02:20 PM
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- Gooner0893
- Jan 28 2014, 02:11 PM
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- Jan 28 2014, 01:59 PM
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My question to the Wengerites is what happens this year and next year if Their little god does not win a trophy? What happens then? Do we keep the status quo because the "god" who hasn't shown that he is capable of winning a trophy in 8 plus years cannot be fired? How much leeway is too much? Will anyone among you Wengerites call for him to fired if he goes 10 years without a trophy and is 0-40 during that span? These questions have to be asked because what we are seeing with some fans here is literally the worship of a human being.
With all due respect, well, um... horseshit. This is the sort of incendiary exaggeration of positions that never leads to sensible discussion (let alone resolution) of differences.
Let rephrase my question as nicely as possible DCSH. If Wenger goes 10 seasons without winning a trophy, do we keep the status quo or is it okay then to show him the door? How about if Wenger wins the League Cup next year - but misses the CL.
Will YOU be satisfied?
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supercollider7
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Jan 28 2014, 04:50 PM
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My question to the Wengerites is what happens this year and next year if Their little god does not win a trophy? What happens then? Do we keep the status quo because the "god" who hasn't shown that he is capable of winning a trophy in 8 plus years cannot be fired? How much leeway is too much? Will anyone among you Wengerites call for him to fired if he goes 10 years without a trophy and is 0-40 during that span? These questions have to be asked because what we are seeing with some fans here is literally the worship of a human being.
With all due respect, well, um... horseshit. This is the sort of incendiary exaggeration of positions that never leads to sensible discussion (let alone resolution) of differences.
Let rephrase my question as nicely as possible DCSH. If Wenger goes 10 seasons without winning a trophy, do we keep the status quo or is it okay then to show him the door? Another stupid question. The money is there now, the team is developing really well, you'd expect Wenger to win trophies as well. As I have already said and several people have agreed, that if we don't win anything it should be Wenger's last contract. We've had this conversation before and you have been given this answer before. But you'd rather make your stupid comments and act like you're smarter than everyone. Next time you say something stupid, don't rephrase it, just go back and delete it and then don't say anything further because it makes you look more stupid.
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Jan 28 2014, 04:53 PM
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My question to the Wengerites is what happens this year and next year if Their little god does not win a trophy? What happens then? Do we keep the status quo because the "god" who hasn't shown that he is capable of winning a trophy in 8 plus years cannot be fired? How much leeway is too much? Will anyone among you Wengerites call for him to fired if he goes 10 years without a trophy and is 0-40 during that span? These questions have to be asked because what we are seeing with some fans here is literally the worship of a human being.
With all due respect, well, um... horseshit. This is the sort of incendiary exaggeration of positions that never leads to sensible discussion (let alone resolution) of differences. Couldn't agree more with DSC here. 0893, you might want to grow up a little.
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jays712
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Jan 28 2014, 05:04 PM
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- Jan 28 2014, 01:26 PM
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- Jan 28 2014, 12:37 PM
Let's give an example of how finishing below the top 4 can affect a club shall we.? Let's choose a good example Juventus, they experienced something FAR WORSE than missing out of a top 4. They got relegated about 7 years ago, they got promoted in their first season in serie B, and then finished 3rd in their first season back in Serie A. In other words they were back in the UCL after 2 years of relegation, not that difficult is it? Lest we forget when all these was going on they also built a new stadium. Missing out of the top 4 is quite not the same as Arsenal or united getting relegated to the championship, so I don't get where the idea that 'if you miss out of the top 4 then you are doomed', came from?
Liverpool haven't been able to get back in the UCL because they've been wasting money kenny daglish was the worst culprit.
Phato I don't get where you got the £200m figure from, if united finish out of the top 4, all they have to do is finish above spurs, everton and Liverpool not that difficult is it? you surely don't need £200m for that. Considering the fact that spurs have been in the CL before, but the participation in the CL cost them the qulification for the next, that could easily be the case for whoever finishes top 4 among those teams. Infact I'm willing to bet that if one of those 3 finish top this season, they won't finish top 4 the following year.
Juve built a smaller stadium at about a third of the price of the Emirates. They also didn't get relegated because they stunk, they got relegated due to fixing matches. While some players left, many like Buffon and Del Piero stayed. When they came back after one season In the lower level, they still had a really good team so no surprise they finished as high as they did. A better example of mortgaging everything on CL qualifying is Leeds United. They still haven't recovered.
I forgot to mention that their stadium was less expensive but nevertheless they built a new stadium, and they don't get the kind of TV money and other revenues we get here in England over there. And Jays, how come being relegated to serie B isn't much more difficult than finishing 5th? because from your post that's what you are insinuating? you mentioned they lost some players but still kept some, wouldn't it have been easier to keep more players if they finished 5th? I'm not really understanding the question. Their relegation had nothing to do their on-field performance. Some players stayed when they were sent down simply out of loyalty to the club. Shocking in this day and age for sure. Others like Ibra and Viera bailed. Like I said, when they came back up, they still had a good team and alot of those lower Serie A teams are really awful so it was a bit easier for them to leap right back up into the mix. Now with both Milan teams in the shitter, they are the class of the league again in a short time.
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supercollider7
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Jan 28 2014, 05:17 PM
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- Jan 28 2014, 12:37 PM
Let's give an example of how finishing below the top 4 can affect a club shall we.? Let's choose a good example Juventus, they experienced something FAR WORSE than missing out of a top 4. They got relegated about 7 years ago, they got promoted in their first season in serie B, and then finished 3rd in their first season back in Serie A. In other words they were back in the UCL after 2 years of relegation, not that difficult is it? Lest we forget when all these was going on they also built a new stadium. Missing out of the top 4 is quite not the same as Arsenal or united getting relegated to the championship, so I don't get where the idea that 'if you miss out of the top 4 then you are doomed', came from?
Liverpool haven't been able to get back in the UCL because they've been wasting money kenny daglish was the worst culprit.
Phato I don't get where you got the £200m figure from, if united finish out of the top 4, all they have to do is finish above spurs, everton and Liverpool not that difficult is it? you surely don't need £200m for that. Considering the fact that spurs have been in the CL before, but the participation in the CL cost them the qulification for the next, that could easily be the case for whoever finishes top 4 among those teams. Infact I'm willing to bet that if one of those 3 finish top this season, they won't finish top 4 the following year.
Juve built a smaller stadium at about a third of the price of the Emirates. They also didn't get relegated because they stunk, they got relegated due to fixing matches. While some players left, many like Buffon and Del Piero stayed. When they came back after one season In the lower level, they still had a really good team so no surprise they finished as high as they did. A better example of mortgaging everything on CL qualifying is Leeds United. They still haven't recovered.
I forgot to mention that their stadium was less expensive but nevertheless they built a new stadium, and they don't get the kind of TV money and other revenues we get here in England over there. And Jays, how come being relegated to serie B isn't much more difficult than finishing 5th? because from your post that's what you are insinuating? you mentioned they lost some players but still kept some, wouldn't it have been easier to keep more players if they finished 5th?
I'm not really understanding the question. Their relegation had nothing to do their on-field performance. Some players stayed when they were sent down simply out of loyalty to the club. Shocking in this day and age for sure. Others like Ibra and Viera bailed. Like I said, when they came back up, they still had a good team and alot of those lower Serie A teams are really awful so it was a bit easier for them to leap right back up into the mix. Now with both Milan teams in the shitter, they are the class of the league again in a short time. Pizzy isn't considering the fact that if Arsenal were in Serie A they would be winning the title every year. It is not at the same level as England or Spain.
But having said that, I don't think missing out on CL would have been a complete disaster for Arsenal, at least not financially. With the players we had we could have pushed on and won a CL place back the next season, it would be far from impossible.
It would hurt our ability to sign players for that season but the rest of the team had enough quality to do it.
But the acheivement of CL football is celebrated not because it would have been a disaster not to get it but rather because you want your club to be in the best tournament with the best teams. If you're in the CL you belong in that group of top teams.
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Jan 28 2014, 09:08 PM
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- Jan 27 2014, 05:29 PM
defence of wenger is something else on here.lol
defence attack of wenger is something else on here.lol Fixed it for you.
calling facts attack is joke on its head. rw hates being reminded of wengers woes. LOf'ingL
You must not have been reading my posts the last few years then. I get it though...anybody who disagrees with you is a Wengerite who worships at the altar of Lord Wenger.
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rw_mlite2
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Jan 28 2014, 09:23 PM
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Let's give an example of how finishing below the top 4 can affect a club shall we.? Let's choose a good example Juventus, they experienced something FAR WORSE than missing out of a top 4. They got relegated about 7 years ago, they got promoted in their first season in serie B, and then finished 3rd in their first season back in Serie A. In other words they were back in the UCL after 2 years of relegation, not that difficult is it? Lest we forget when all these was going on they also built a new stadium. Missing out of the top 4 is quite not the same as Arsenal or united getting relegated to the championship, so I don't get where the idea that 'if you miss out of the top 4 then you are doomed', came from?
Liverpool haven't been able to get back in the UCL because they've been wasting money kenny daglish was the worst culprit.
Phato I don't get where you got the £200m figure from, if united finish out of the top 4, all they have to do is finish above spurs, everton and Liverpool not that difficult is it? you surely don't need £200m for that. Considering the fact that spurs have been in the CL before, but the participation in the CL cost them the qulification for the next, that could easily be the case for whoever finishes top 4 among those teams. Infact I'm willing to bet that if one of those 3 finish top this season, they won't finish top 4 the following year. Juve is actually a poor example. They experienced an unbelievable amount of loyalty amongst their players (Ibra and Cannavaro being the notable exceptions). They also had the luxury of coming back up as Serie A was picking up speed on its way down. Only Inter (at the time) was a real force. And their stadium can't be compared to the Emirates. Somehow it only cost around 120 million Euros. The first time I heard it that I couldn't believe it. And Juve IS the face of Serie A. They were going to come back, it was only a matter of time.
You want to look at an example of how missing the CL hurts a club, look at Inter. They were already losing money, but losing out on CL money has screwed them. That's the club I'd compare Arsenal to if we would've missed out on the CL a few years ago.
As for United. Who knows? I'm inclined to believe the same as Jays. They're the Juve of the league.
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Jan 28 2014, 09:24 PM
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Let's give an example of how finishing below the top 4 can affect a club shall we.? Let's choose a good example Juventus, they experienced something FAR WORSE than missing out of a top 4. They got relegated about 7 years ago, they got promoted in their first season in serie B, and then finished 3rd in their first season back in Serie A. In other words they were back in the UCL after 2 years of relegation, not that difficult is it? Lest we forget when all these was going on they also built a new stadium. Missing out of the top 4 is quite not the same as Arsenal or united getting relegated to the championship, so I don't get where the idea that 'if you miss out of the top 4 then you are doomed', came from?
Liverpool haven't been able to get back in the UCL because they've been wasting money kenny daglish was the worst culprit.
Phato I don't get where you got the £200m figure from, if united finish out of the top 4, all they have to do is finish above spurs, everton and Liverpool not that difficult is it? you surely don't need £200m for that. Considering the fact that spurs have been in the CL before, but the participation in the CL cost them the qulification for the next, that could easily be the case for whoever finishes top 4 among those teams. Infact I'm willing to bet that if one of those 3 finish top this season, they won't finish top 4 the following year.
Juve built a smaller stadium at about a third of the price of the Emirates. They also didn't get relegated because they stunk, they got relegated due to fixing matches. While some players left, many like Buffon and Del Piero stayed. When they came back after one season In the lower level, they still had a really good team so no surprise they finished as high as they did. A better example of mortgaging everything on CL qualifying is Leeds United. They still haven't recovered. I replied before I read yours. But...yeah. What he said.
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chillyheat
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Jan 28 2014, 10:02 PM
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defence of wenger is something else on here.lol
defence attack of wenger is something else on here.lol Fixed it for you.
calling facts attack is joke on its head. rw hates being reminded of wengers woes.
LOf'ingL You must not have been reading my posts the last few years then. I get it though...anybody who disagrees with you is a Wengerite who worships at the altar of Lord Wenger. facts dont lie no matter how deep you bury them.
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