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Topic Started: Jan 27 2014, 10:22 AM (1,828 Views)
santry_gooner
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chillyheat
Jan 28 2014, 10:02 PM
rw_mlite2
Jan 28 2014, 09:08 PM
chillyheat
Jan 27 2014, 10:13 PM
rw_mlite2
Jan 27 2014, 08:17 PM
chillyheat
Jan 27 2014, 05:29 PM
defence of wenger is something else on here.lol
defence attack of wenger is something else on here.lol

Fixed it for you.
calling facts attack is joke on its head. rw hates being reminded of wengers woes.
LOf'ingL

You must not have been reading my posts the last few years then. I get it though...anybody who disagrees with you is a Wengerite who worships at the altar of Lord Wenger.
facts dont lie no matter how deep you bury them.
Bury them, as in we had huge front loaded debt payments and modest income levels for 7 years?

But don't let me keep you. I'm sure the repo men are coming up your garden path right now.
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jays712
Jan 28 2014, 05:04 PM
dream_team
Jan 28 2014, 01:26 PM
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Jan 28 2014, 01:15 PM
dream_team
Jan 28 2014, 12:37 PM
Let's give an example of how finishing below the top 4 can affect a club shall we.?
Let's choose a good example Juventus, they experienced something FAR WORSE than missing out of a top 4. They got relegated about 7 years ago, they got promoted in their first season in serie B, and then finished 3rd in their first season back in Serie A. In other words they were back in the UCL after 2 years of relegation, not that difficult is it? Lest we forget when all these was going on they also built a new stadium.
Missing out of the top 4 is quite not the same as Arsenal or united getting relegated to the championship, so I don't get where the idea that 'if you miss out of the top 4 then you are doomed', came from?

Liverpool haven't been able to get back in the UCL because they've been wasting money kenny daglish was the worst culprit.

Phato I don't get where you got the £200m figure from, if united finish out of the top 4, all they have to do is finish above spurs, everton and Liverpool not that difficult is it? you surely don't need £200m for that. Considering the fact that spurs have been in the CL before, but the participation in the CL cost them the qulification for the next, that could easily be the case for whoever finishes top 4 among those teams. Infact I'm willing to bet that if one of those 3 finish top this season, they won't finish top 4 the following year.
Juve built a smaller stadium at about a third of the price of the Emirates. They also didn't get relegated because they stunk, they got relegated due to fixing matches. While some players left, many like Buffon and Del Piero stayed. When they came back after one season In the lower level, they still had a really good team so no surprise they finished as high as they did. A better example of mortgaging everything on CL qualifying is Leeds United. They still haven't recovered.
I forgot to mention that their stadium was less expensive but nevertheless they built a new stadium, and they don't get the kind of TV money and other revenues we get here in England over there.

And Jays, how come being relegated to serie B isn't much more difficult than finishing 5th?
because from your post that's what you are insinuating?
you mentioned they lost some players but still kept some, wouldn't it have been easier to keep more players if they finished 5th?
I'm not really understanding the question. Their relegation had nothing to do their on-field performance. Some players stayed when they were sent down simply out of loyalty to the club. Shocking in this day and age for sure. Others like Ibra and Viera bailed. Like I said, when they came back up, they still had a good team and alot of those lower Serie A teams are really awful so it was a bit easier for them to leap right back up into the mix. Now with both Milan teams in the shitter, they are the class of the league again in a short time.
I'm really not getting you Jays and rwmlite too,
Jays are are you saying Juve didn't lose a lot of money by going down?
rwmlite are you saying Inter lost more money by missing out of the UCL than Juve did by getting relegated?

Surely if a relegated club can keep some of their players, then a team that finish 5th can do so too, that's IF they try hard enough....
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santry_gooner
Jan 29 2014, 02:19 AM
chillyheat
Jan 28 2014, 10:02 PM
rw_mlite2
Jan 28 2014, 09:08 PM
chillyheat
Jan 27 2014, 10:13 PM
rw_mlite2
Jan 27 2014, 08:17 PM
chillyheat
Jan 27 2014, 05:29 PM
defence of wenger is something else on here.lol
defence attack of wenger is something else on here.lol

Fixed it for you.
calling facts attack is joke on its head. rw hates being reminded of wengers woes.
LOf'ingL

You must not have been reading my posts the last few years then. I get it though...anybody who disagrees with you is a Wengerite who worships at the altar of Lord Wenger.
facts dont lie no matter how deep you bury them.
Bury them, as in we had huge front loaded debt payments and modest income levels for 7 years?

But don't let me keep you. I'm sure the repo men are coming up your garden path right now.
i get it...coz of loaded debt we lost final 2 b'ham city huh? must make u cry river
of tears any time u hear wengers shambolic past. wonder y dis pantsy known as santry dont surprise me anymore. now u have visions of repo man coming for chilly. lmao. thank heavens u aint God.
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I don't know how much they lost by being relegated from Serie A. I'm sure they had to lose a good amount of money although they ended up paying no fines for the whole thing. I also don't know if they get balloon payments like they get in the EPL when they drop down either.

This relegation was unlike any other before it. This was a large, financially sound club that was sent down over match fixing instead of poor results. It wasn't much of a surprise to see them bounce back so easily to get right back into the CL after one season.
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Why is anyone bringing up that Birmingham final as an example of anything? We totally dominated that match. They scored off a corner kick (what a surprise) and a completely boneheaded giveaway right in front of our own goal right at the end. Think that was the last time I've seen Obafemi Martins play.
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jays712
Jan 29 2014, 08:23 AM
Why is anyone bringing up that Birmingham final as an example of anything? We totally dominated that match. They scored off a corner kick (what a surprise) and a completely boneheaded giveaway right in front of our own goal right at the end. Think that was the last time I've seen Obafemi Martins play.
simply put, debt excuse excusing no trophies doesnt fly if u put b'ham in d equation. dats wot fervant wengerites r selling- unfortunately chilli aint buying.
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chillyheat
Jan 29 2014, 08:30 AM
jays712
Jan 29 2014, 08:23 AM
Why is anyone bringing up that Birmingham final as an example of anything? We totally dominated that match. They scored off a corner kick (what a surprise) and a completely boneheaded giveaway right in front of our own goal right at the end. Think that was the last time I've seen Obafemi Martins play.
simply put, debt excuse excusing no trophies doesnt fly if u put b'ham in d equation. dats wot fervant wengerites r selling- unfortunately chilli aint buying.
We actually lost to Birmingham all 3 times we played them that season. LOL
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jays712
Jan 29 2014, 08:45 AM
chillyheat
Jan 29 2014, 08:30 AM
jays712
Jan 29 2014, 08:23 AM
Why is anyone bringing up that Birmingham final as an example of anything? We totally dominated that match. They scored off a corner kick (what a surprise) and a completely boneheaded giveaway right in front of our own goal right at the end. Think that was the last time I've seen Obafemi Martins play.
simply put, debt excuse excusing no trophies doesnt fly if u put b'ham in d equation. dats wot fervant wengerites r selling- unfortunately chilli aint buying.
We actually lost to Birmingham all 3 times we played them that season. LOL
true. crushing them once when it mattered was beyond d money bags team. d irony!
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So the loss to Birmingham in the MM Cup final is the smoking gun that proves that Wenger is entirely responsible for the trophy drought, and it has nothing to do with the stadium debt and austerity.

What are folks who believe crap like this smoking?
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jays712
Jan 29 2014, 08:19 AM
I don't know how much they lost by being relegated from Serie A. I'm sure they had to lose a good amount of money although they ended up paying no fines for the whole thing. I also don't know if they get balloon payments like they get in the EPL when they drop down either.

This relegation was unlike any other before it. This was a large, financially sound club that was sent down over match fixing instead of poor results. It wasn't much of a surprise to see them bounce back so easily to get right back into the CL after one season.
Jays I'm not also sure of how much they lost when they got relegated but I'm sure it's at least twice of what Arsenal would lose if we finish outside the top 4. I'm not quite sure you understand what it means to play in the 2nd tier of Italian football league or any other European league for that matter.
Edited by dream_team, Jan 30 2014, 01:43 PM.
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