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cruyff_turn
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Jan 27 2014, 03:14 PM
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Given it's been demonstrated time and again just how delicate regime change can be in the EPL, I am baffled by how anyone could not view Wenger signing a new deal as nothing but positive.
Over the past few years, Wenger has sucessfully guided Arsenal to the expectations of the owners... the fact that those expectations do not match those of the fans is not really Mr Wengers problem.
It's no longer responsible to sit back and call for Wenger to go... without having an idea of who can step in and immediately make life better. And who should we replace him with??? AvB, Guus Hiddink, Rafa Benitez, David Moyes, Carol Ancelotti? All are names that have been thrown out before... all have come and gone.
No, I fear that in the future, when Le Boss exits, it will bring an amount of uncertainty to the club my heart could not bear. So for now, I welcome the new deal, all but being guaranteed of finishing in the top 4 and being in first place.
I think only two posters have mentioned AVB as wenger's potential replacement. The other 3 coaches that is Rafa,Ancelotti and Hiddink have proved they are more than capable of replacing Wenger.As for Wenger getting a new deal, I don't think that is news, we all know that 1) If Wenger wants a new deal then he WILL get one 2)He would not leave for another club till he retires, because no other club will give him the kind of control he gets at Arsenal, Wenger basically runs the club, he won't get that privilege at Real madrid or PSG. This tweet from Piers summed it up for moi " I understand Arsenal fans' devotion to Wenger. But no 'big club' manager in the world would get a new deal after 8yrs without a trophy."
I have to respectfully disagree. I think if any of those three are in charge in the previous 8 years there is more of a possibility we finish out of the top 4 then there is of ending our trophy drought. Those managers did well (at times) in programs where money was seemingly no option. This is clearly not the case at Arsenal. I think some (not you, but Piers) do not give Wenger enough credit for what he has accomplished in the past few years without a "blank check" business model. As this team emerges from their debts and spends more, I believe the path Wenger put this club on will pay dividends for many years to come. Some really interesting quotes in this piece: http://www.arsenalfc.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=562&Itemid=64
Particularly these:
As I was doing the research for my book, I was talking to Ken Friar, who had been Arsenal‘s managing director for a long time, and I pointed out that it looks as if the club would possess a lot of money but does not want to spend it. He replied: „Well, we do not tell everything to everybody.“ In other words, Arsenal was nearly bankrupt. Tony Adams told me, that the club would have been in existential trouble if the team would have missed out on the Champions League for a couple of times. It seems almost incredible that Wenger achieved to keep the team on this level eventhough about 10 years ago he had to stop spending money on big renowned players.“
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Jan 27 2014, 03:17 PM
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In the past I have been critical of Arsenal renewing Wenger's contract when things were bleak and it looked like there was no hope. However right now there seems to be light at the end of the tunnel, he has built a relatively young team that has led the league table the entire season despite going against mega rich clubs like City and Chelsea. It looks like financial fair play is finally working and with the new Stadium built and the new financial deals we are putting in place, Arsenal are heading in the right direction. Changing managers is a necessary evil that clubs have to go through because it is always a gamble but I have no idea why fans would want to see change now. If Wenger decides to leave then all credit to him because it is not easy to manage a club this long. We would move forward as a club and take the plunge with a new manager. However looking at the team, I would give him at least 5 years to finish what his started and see how far he can take this team. Now the argument about big clubs doing things differently is flawed especially when you consider there is no bigger club than United in England and they stuck to one manager for 27 years.
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Jan 27 2014, 03:21 PM
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In the past I have been critical of Arsenal renewing Wenger's contract when things were bleak and it looked like there was no hope. However right now there seems to be light at the end of the tunnel, he has built a relatively young team that has led the league table the entire season despite going against mega rich clubs like City and Chelsea. It looks like financial fair play is finally working and with the new Stadium built and the new financial deals we are putting in place, Arsenal are heading right for the top. Changing managers is a necessary evil that clubs have to go through because it is always a gamble but I have no idea why fans would want to see change now. If Wenger decides to leave then we move forward as a club but right now, looking at the team, I would give him at least 5 years to see what he can do with this team. Now the argument about big clubs doing things differently is flawed especially when you consider there is no bigger club than United in England and they stuck to one manager for 27 years. It's also flawed because it lacks perspective.
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Jan 27 2014, 04:05 PM
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- Jan 27 2014, 12:46 PM
Given it's been demonstrated time and again just how delicate regime change can be in the EPL, I am baffled by how anyone could not view Wenger signing a new deal as nothing but positive.
Over the past few years, Wenger has sucessfully guided Arsenal to the expectations of the owners... the fact that those expectations do not match those of the fans is not really Mr Wengers problem.
It's no longer responsible to sit back and call for Wenger to go... without having an idea of who can step in and immediately make life better. And who should we replace him with??? AvB, Guus Hiddink, Rafa Benitez, David Moyes, Carol Ancelotti? All are names that have been thrown out before... all have come and gone.
No, I fear that in the future, when Le Boss exits, it will bring an amount of uncertainty to the club my heart could not bear. So for now, I welcome the new deal, all but being guaranteed of finishing in the top 4 and being in first place.
I think only two posters have mentioned AVB as wenger's potential replacement. The other 3 coaches that is Rafa,Ancelotti and Hiddink have proved they are more than capable of replacing Wenger.As for Wenger getting a new deal, I don't think that is news, we all know that 1) If Wenger wants a new deal then he WILL get one 2)He would not leave for another club till he retires, because no other club will give him the kind of control he gets at Arsenal, Wenger basically runs the club, he won't get that privilege at Real madrid or PSG. This tweet from Piers summed it up for moi " I understand Arsenal fans' devotion to Wenger. But no 'big club' manager in the world would get a new deal after 8yrs without a trophy."
I have to respectfully disagree. I think if any of those three are in charge in the previous 8 years there is more of a possibility we finish out of the top 4 then there is of ending our trophy drought. Those managers did well (at times) in programs where money was seemingly no option. This is clearly not the case at Arsenal. I think some (not you, but Piers) do not give Wenger enough credit for what he has accomplished in the past few years without a "blank check" business model. As this team emerges from their debts and spends more, I believe the path Wenger put this club on will pay dividends for many years to come.
Some really interesting quotes in this piece: http://www.arsenalfc.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=562&Itemid=64Particularly these: As I was doing the research for my book, I was talking to Ken Friar, who had been Arsenal‘s managing director for a long time, and I pointed out that it looks as if the club would possess a lot of money but does not want to spend it. He replied: „Well, we do not tell everything to everybody.“ In other words, Arsenal was nearly bankrupt. Tony Adams told me, that the club would have been in existential trouble if the team would have missed out on the Champions League for a couple of times. It seems almost incredible that Wenger achieved to keep the team on this level eventhough about 10 years ago he had to stop spending money on big renowned players.“ Wow! I often wonder how many of these big spending club run the risk of becoming... well..... RANGERS FC. If any of these quotes are accurate... then someday ownership is obligated to come clean and give Wenger his due!
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Jan 27 2014, 04:38 PM
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- Jan 27 2014, 12:46 PM
Given it's been demonstrated time and again just how delicate regime change can be in the EPL, I am baffled by how anyone could not view Wenger signing a new deal as nothing but positive.
Over the past few years, Wenger has sucessfully guided Arsenal to the expectations of the owners... the fact that those expectations do not match those of the fans is not really Mr Wengers problem.
It's no longer responsible to sit back and call for Wenger to go... without having an idea of who can step in and immediately make life better. And who should we replace him with??? AvB, Guus Hiddink, Rafa Benitez, David Moyes, Carol Ancelotti? All are names that have been thrown out before... all have come and gone.
No, I fear that in the future, when Le Boss exits, it will bring an amount of uncertainty to the club my heart could not bear. So for now, I welcome the new deal, all but being guaranteed of finishing in the top 4 and being in first place.
I think only two posters have mentioned AVB as wenger's potential replacement. The other 3 coaches that is Rafa,Ancelotti and Hiddink have proved they are more than capable of replacing Wenger.As for Wenger getting a new deal, I don't think that is news, we all know that 1) If Wenger wants a new deal then he WILL get one 2)He would not leave for another club till he retires, because no other club will give him the kind of control he gets at Arsenal, Wenger basically runs the club, he won't get that privilege at Real madrid or PSG. This tweet from Piers summed it up for moi " I understand Arsenal fans' devotion to Wenger. But no 'big club' manager in the world would get a new deal after 8yrs without a trophy."
I have to respectfully disagree. I think if any of those three are in charge in the previous 8 years there is more of a possibility we finish out of the top 4 then there is of ending our trophy drought. Those managers did well (at times) in programs where money was seemingly no option. This is clearly not the case at Arsenal. I think some (not you, but Piers) do not give Wenger enough credit for what he has accomplished in the past few years without a "blank check" business model. As this team emerges from their debts and spends more, I believe the path Wenger put this club on will pay dividends for many years to come.
Some really interesting quotes in this piece: http://www.arsenalfc.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=562&Itemid=64Particularly these: As I was doing the research for my book, I was talking to Ken Friar, who had been Arsenal‘s managing director for a long time, and I pointed out that it looks as if the club would possess a lot of money but does not want to spend it. He replied: „Well, we do not tell everything to everybody.“ In other words, Arsenal was nearly bankrupt. Tony Adams told me, that the club would have been in existential trouble if the team would have missed out on the Champions League for a couple of times. It seems almost incredible that Wenger achieved to keep the team on this level eventhough about 10 years ago he had to stop spending money on big renowned players.“
Wow! I often wonder how many of these big spending club run the risk of becoming... well..... RANGERS FC. If any of these quotes are accurate... then someday ownership is obligated to come clean and give Wenger his due! Or Leeds!
Here's the quote that sticks with me: Wenger did receive the assignment to only spend whatever was coming in (minus the enormous expenses for the credits). On the other hand, he should assure that Arsenal would play on an international level as often as possible in order to keep the income stable. Most managers would have packed their suitcases and left. Wenger stayed.
I like that, even if it does gloss over the fact that most managers paid as well as Wenger has been might also have found it in their hearts to stay. On the other hand, I wonder how many would have survived the pressure and been able to continue to deliver.
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Jan 27 2014, 04:41 PM
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This thread must be awfully painful for some to read.
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Jan 27 2014, 04:46 PM
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This thread must be awfully painful for some to read. Are you sure? The level of denial on this forum is astounding.
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Jan 27 2014, 05:01 PM
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For 8 years fans who bother to inform themselves about the club have realised that Wenger (almost singlehandedly) has steered us to success without trophies. I'm not sure the decision to build quite as big a stadium and enter into such quick (almost crippling) repayments was an idea that was without drawbacks. There may have been less than pure motives on the part of some shareholders. By and large the fans have been loyal and patient. Some of the www. fans have been petulant, selfish wankers who want a scapegoat for all that disappointed about this phase. Good to see a few of those celebrities posting here.
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Jan 27 2014, 05:02 PM
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- Jan 27 2014, 12:46 PM
Given it's been demonstrated time and again just how delicate regime change can be in the EPL, I am baffled by how anyone could not view Wenger signing a new deal as nothing but positive.
Over the past few years, Wenger has sucessfully guided Arsenal to the expectations of the owners... the fact that those expectations do not match those of the fans is not really Mr Wengers problem.
It's no longer responsible to sit back and call for Wenger to go... without having an idea of who can step in and immediately make life better. And who should we replace him with??? AvB, Guus Hiddink, Rafa Benitez, David Moyes, Carol Ancelotti? All are names that have been thrown out before... all have come and gone.
No, I fear that in the future, when Le Boss exits, it will bring an amount of uncertainty to the club my heart could not bear. So for now, I welcome the new deal, all but being guaranteed of finishing in the top 4 and being in first place.
I think only two posters have mentioned AVB as wenger's potential replacement. The other 3 coaches that is Rafa,Ancelotti and Hiddink have proved they are more than capable of replacing Wenger.As for Wenger getting a new deal, I don't think that is news, we all know that 1) If Wenger wants a new deal then he WILL get one 2)He would not leave for another club till he retires, because no other club will give him the kind of control he gets at Arsenal, Wenger basically runs the club, he won't get that privilege at Real madrid or PSG. This tweet from Piers summed it up for moi " I understand Arsenal fans' devotion to Wenger. But no 'big club' manager in the world would get a new deal after 8yrs without a trophy."
I have to respectfully disagree. I think if any of those three are in charge in the previous 8 years there is more of a possibility we finish out of the top 4 then there is of ending our trophy drought. Those managers did well (at times) in programs where money was seemingly no option. This is clearly not the case at Arsenal. I think some (not you, but Piers) do not give Wenger enough credit for what he has accomplished in the past few years without a "blank check" business model. As this team emerges from their debts and spends more, I believe the path Wenger put this club on will pay dividends for many years to come.
Some really interesting quotes in this piece: http://www.arsenalfc.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=562&Itemid=64Particularly these: As I was doing the research for my book, I was talking to Ken Friar, who had been Arsenal‘s managing director for a long time, and I pointed out that it looks as if the club would possess a lot of money but does not want to spend it. He replied: „Well, we do not tell everything to everybody.“ In other words, Arsenal was nearly bankrupt. Tony Adams told me, that the club would have been in existential trouble if the team would have missed out on the Champions League for a couple of times. It seems almost incredible that Wenger achieved to keep the team on this level eventhough about 10 years ago he had to stop spending money on big renowned players.“ Great post. True. All of it.
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Jan 27 2014, 05:06 PM
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Given it's been demonstrated time and again just how delicate regime change can be in the EPL, I am baffled by how anyone could not view Wenger signing a new deal as nothing but positive.
Over the past few years, Wenger has sucessfully guided Arsenal to the expectations of the owners... the fact that those expectations do not match those of the fans is not really Mr Wengers problem.
It's no longer responsible to sit back and call for Wenger to go... without having an idea of who can step in and immediately make life better. And who should we replace him with??? AvB, Guus Hiddink, Rafa Benitez, David Moyes, Carol Ancelotti? All are names that have been thrown out before... all have come and gone.
No, I fear that in the future, when Le Boss exits, it will bring an amount of uncertainty to the club my heart could not bear. So for now, I welcome the new deal, all but being guaranteed of finishing in the top 4 and being in first place.
I think only two posters have mentioned AVB as wenger's potential replacement. The other 3 coaches that is Rafa,Ancelotti and Hiddink have proved they are more than capable of replacing Wenger. As for Wenger getting a new deal, I don't think that is news, we all know that 1) If Wenger wants a new deal then he WILL get one 2)He would not leave for another club till he retires, because no other club will give him the kind of control he gets at Arsenal, Wenger basically runs the club, he won't get that privilege at Real madrid or PSG. This tweet from Piers summed it up for moi " I understand Arsenal fans' devotion to Wenger. But no 'big club' manager in the world would get a new deal after 8yrs without a trophy." I could not agree more with Piers. He is on the money more often than not.
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