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Gooner0893
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Jan 27 2014, 05:30 PM
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When the time finally comes for Arsene to step down, I would like to see the club look beyond the usual retreads that get mentioned for these jobs. Young guys like Martinez, Klopp, Laudrup and Pocchetino would be much more interesting. Better yet, surprise us. The club went far afield to pluck Wenger from relative obscurity. Can lightning strike twice?
I would love for Klopp to take over but he'll probably be in charge of Bayern or RM or even the German national team by the time AW steps aside. Martinez is really making a name for himself with the job he's doing at Everton.
Martinez would be good. But imagine Steve Bould takes over as manager, appoints Dennis as his assistant, and continues Arsene Wenger's success. I'd love for us to do something like that.
What Wenger success? Eight consecutive years without a single trophy. Even I could have done that.
Swing and a miss! Unless you're claiming you could have achieved similar results under similar constraints. Then I've a different issue with your post.
I have no coaching certification but I could have managed 8 trophy less seasons at Arsenal in the past 8 years. That's a fact. Even you, my good friend DCSH could have achieved that.
A flip and unhelpful response, but I don't think you intended anything else. The point that I ultimately was making, my very good friend, is that a coach at a major club like Arsenal should not be applauded for going 0-32 in competitions. And the flimsy excuses need to stop.
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Joe Bobs Fine Foods
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Jan 27 2014, 05:32 PM
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When the time finally comes for Arsene to step down, I would like to see the club look beyond the usual retreads that get mentioned for these jobs. Young guys like Martinez, Klopp, Laudrup and Pocchetino would be much more interesting. Better yet, surprise us. The club went far afield to pluck Wenger from relative obscurity. Can lightning strike twice?
I would love for Klopp to take over but he'll probably be in charge of Bayern or RM or even the German national team by the time AW steps aside. Martinez is really making a name for himself with the job he's doing at Everton.
Martinez would be good. But imagine Steve Bould takes over as manager, appoints Dennis as his assistant, and continues Arsene Wenger's success. I'd love for us to do something like that.
What Wenger success? Eight consecutive years without a single trophy. Even I could have done that. Really? That's the best you've got?
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Gooner0893
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Jan 27 2014, 05:34 PM
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Given it's been demonstrated time and again just how delicate regime change can be in the EPL, I am baffled by how anyone could not view Wenger signing a new deal as nothing but positive.
Over the past few years, Wenger has sucessfully guided Arsenal to the expectations of the owners... the fact that those expectations do not match those of the fans is not really Mr Wengers problem.
It's no longer responsible to sit back and call for Wenger to go... without having an idea of who can step in and immediately make life better. And who should we replace him with??? AvB, Guus Hiddink, Rafa Benitez, David Moyes, Carol Ancelotti? All are names that have been thrown out before... all have come and gone.
No, I fear that in the future, when Le Boss exits, it will bring an amount of uncertainty to the club my heart could not bear. So for now, I welcome the new deal, all but being guaranteed of finishing in the top 4 and being in first place.
I think only two posters have mentioned AVB as wenger's potential replacement. The other 3 coaches that is Rafa,Ancelotti and Hiddink have proved they are more than capable of replacing Wenger.As for Wenger getting a new deal, I don't think that is news, we all know that 1) If Wenger wants a new deal then he WILL get one 2)He would not leave for another club till he retires, because no other club will give him the kind of control he gets at Arsenal, Wenger basically runs the club, he won't get that privilege at Real madrid or PSG. This tweet from Piers summed it up for moi " I understand Arsenal fans' devotion to Wenger. But no 'big club' manager in the world would get a new deal after 8yrs without a trophy."
I have to respectfully disagree. I think if any of those three are in charge in the previous 8 years there is more of a possibility we finish out of the top 4 then there is of ending our trophy drought. Those managers did well (at times) in programs where money was seemingly no option. This is clearly not the case at Arsenal. I think some (not you, but Piers) do not give Wenger enough credit for what he has accomplished in the past few years without a "blank check" business model. As this team emerges from their debts and spends more, I believe the path Wenger put this club on will pay dividends for many years to come.
Once again, he hasn't won a single trophy in 8 years. How much credit should a coach get at a major club like Arsenal for not winning a trophy?
You win. Or more to the point, if you're not willing to put results in context there's no answer I can give you that will satisfy. I am tired of the context. Stop with the excuses. In the past 8 years, off the top of my head, clubs like Swansea, Liverpool, Birmingham, Tots, Everton, Wigan etc have won trophies. How about adding this fact to your context.
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Jan 27 2014, 05:35 PM
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Oh, oh. The Monotonous Brigade is out chanting their mantra in unison again.
Why bother trying to reason with these posters? And again, Piers Morgan is a total cock muncher.
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Gooner0893
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Jan 27 2014, 05:35 PM
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- dsch15
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When the time finally comes for Arsene to step down, I would like to see the club look beyond the usual retreads that get mentioned for these jobs. Young guys like Martinez, Klopp, Laudrup and Pocchetino would be much more interesting. Better yet, surprise us. The club went far afield to pluck Wenger from relative obscurity. Can lightning strike twice?
I would love for Klopp to take over but he'll probably be in charge of Bayern or RM or even the German national team by the time AW steps aside. Martinez is really making a name for himself with the job he's doing at Everton.
Martinez would be good. But imagine Steve Bould takes over as manager, appoints Dennis as his assistant, and continues Arsene Wenger's success. I'd love for us to do something like that.
What Wenger success? Eight consecutive years without a single trophy. Even I could have done that.
Really? That's the best you've got? I will extend a compliment to you Joe. Even you could have done that.
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
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Jan 27 2014, 05:36 PM
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Given it's been demonstrated time and again just how delicate regime change can be in the EPL, I am baffled by how anyone could not view Wenger signing a new deal as nothing but positive.
Over the past few years, Wenger has sucessfully guided Arsenal to the expectations of the owners... the fact that those expectations do not match those of the fans is not really Mr Wengers problem.
It's no longer responsible to sit back and call for Wenger to go... without having an idea of who can step in and immediately make life better. And who should we replace him with??? AvB, Guus Hiddink, Rafa Benitez, David Moyes, Carol Ancelotti? All are names that have been thrown out before... all have come and gone.
No, I fear that in the future, when Le Boss exits, it will bring an amount of uncertainty to the club my heart could not bear. So for now, I welcome the new deal, all but being guaranteed of finishing in the top 4 and being in first place.
I think only two posters have mentioned AVB as wenger's potential replacement. The other 3 coaches that is Rafa,Ancelotti and Hiddink have proved they are more than capable of replacing Wenger.As for Wenger getting a new deal, I don't think that is news, we all know that 1) If Wenger wants a new deal then he WILL get one 2)He would not leave for another club till he retires, because no other club will give him the kind of control he gets at Arsenal, Wenger basically runs the club, he won't get that privilege at Real madrid or PSG. This tweet from Piers summed it up for moi " I understand Arsenal fans' devotion to Wenger. But no 'big club' manager in the world would get a new deal after 8yrs without a trophy."
I have to respectfully disagree. I think if any of those three are in charge in the previous 8 years there is more of a possibility we finish out of the top 4 then there is of ending our trophy drought. Those managers did well (at times) in programs where money was seemingly no option. This is clearly not the case at Arsenal. I think some (not you, but Piers) do not give Wenger enough credit for what he has accomplished in the past few years without a "blank check" business model. As this team emerges from their debts and spends more, I believe the path Wenger put this club on will pay dividends for many years to come.
Once again, he hasn't won a single trophy in 8 years. How much credit should a coach get at a major club like Arsenal for not winning a trophy?
You win. Or more to the point, if you're not willing to put results in context there's no answer I can give you that will satisfy.
I am tired of the context. Stop with the excuses. In the past 8 years, off the top of my head, clubs like Swansea, Liverpool, Birmingham, Tots, Everton, Wigan etc have won trophies. How about adding this fact to your context. Yeah, and all of those clubs are playing CL football as well. What a fucking joke you've become.
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Gooner0893
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Jan 27 2014, 05:37 PM
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- Jan 27 2014, 05:35 PM
Oh, oh. The Monotonous Brigade is out chanting their mantra in unison again.
Why bother trying to reason with these posters? And again, Piers Morgan is a total cock muncher. He is not even aware of your existence. why bother with this insult?
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
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Jan 27 2014, 05:38 PM
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Oh, oh. The Monotonous Brigade is out chanting their mantra in unison again.
Why bother trying to reason with these posters? And again, Piers Morgan is a total cock muncher.
He is not even aware of your existence. why bother with this insult? Another stupid response. You're on a roll.
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Gooner0893
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Jan 27 2014, 05:39 PM
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- dream_team
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- Jan 27 2014, 12:46 PM
Given it's been demonstrated time and again just how delicate regime change can be in the EPL, I am baffled by how anyone could not view Wenger signing a new deal as nothing but positive.
Over the past few years, Wenger has sucessfully guided Arsenal to the expectations of the owners... the fact that those expectations do not match those of the fans is not really Mr Wengers problem.
It's no longer responsible to sit back and call for Wenger to go... without having an idea of who can step in and immediately make life better. And who should we replace him with??? AvB, Guus Hiddink, Rafa Benitez, David Moyes, Carol Ancelotti? All are names that have been thrown out before... all have come and gone.
No, I fear that in the future, when Le Boss exits, it will bring an amount of uncertainty to the club my heart could not bear. So for now, I welcome the new deal, all but being guaranteed of finishing in the top 4 and being in first place.
I think only two posters have mentioned AVB as wenger's potential replacement. The other 3 coaches that is Rafa,Ancelotti and Hiddink have proved they are more than capable of replacing Wenger.As for Wenger getting a new deal, I don't think that is news, we all know that 1) If Wenger wants a new deal then he WILL get one 2)He would not leave for another club till he retires, because no other club will give him the kind of control he gets at Arsenal, Wenger basically runs the club, he won't get that privilege at Real madrid or PSG. This tweet from Piers summed it up for moi " I understand Arsenal fans' devotion to Wenger. But no 'big club' manager in the world would get a new deal after 8yrs without a trophy."
I have to respectfully disagree. I think if any of those three are in charge in the previous 8 years there is more of a possibility we finish out of the top 4 then there is of ending our trophy drought. Those managers did well (at times) in programs where money was seemingly no option. This is clearly not the case at Arsenal. I think some (not you, but Piers) do not give Wenger enough credit for what he has accomplished in the past few years without a "blank check" business model. As this team emerges from their debts and spends more, I believe the path Wenger put this club on will pay dividends for many years to come.
Once again, he hasn't won a single trophy in 8 years. How much credit should a coach get at a major club like Arsenal for not winning a trophy?
You win. Or more to the point, if you're not willing to put results in context there's no answer I can give you that will satisfy.
I am tired of the context. Stop with the excuses. In the past 8 years, off the top of my head, clubs like Swansea, Liverpool, Birmingham, Tots, Everton, Wigan etc have won trophies. How about adding this fact to your context.
Yeah, and all of those clubs are playing CL football as well. What a fucking joke you've become. Only 4, maybe 5 clubs play every year in the CL. They don't use the CL as an excuse to not win trophies. Come up with a better excuse.
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
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Jan 27 2014, 05:42 PM
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- Jan 27 2014, 12:46 PM
Given it's been demonstrated time and again just how delicate regime change can be in the EPL, I am baffled by how anyone could not view Wenger signing a new deal as nothing but positive.
Over the past few years, Wenger has sucessfully guided Arsenal to the expectations of the owners... the fact that those expectations do not match those of the fans is not really Mr Wengers problem.
It's no longer responsible to sit back and call for Wenger to go... without having an idea of who can step in and immediately make life better. And who should we replace him with??? AvB, Guus Hiddink, Rafa Benitez, David Moyes, Carol Ancelotti? All are names that have been thrown out before... all have come and gone.
No, I fear that in the future, when Le Boss exits, it will bring an amount of uncertainty to the club my heart could not bear. So for now, I welcome the new deal, all but being guaranteed of finishing in the top 4 and being in first place.
I think only two posters have mentioned AVB as wenger's potential replacement. The other 3 coaches that is Rafa,Ancelotti and Hiddink have proved they are more than capable of replacing Wenger.As for Wenger getting a new deal, I don't think that is news, we all know that 1) If Wenger wants a new deal then he WILL get one 2)He would not leave for another club till he retires, because no other club will give him the kind of control he gets at Arsenal, Wenger basically runs the club, he won't get that privilege at Real madrid or PSG. This tweet from Piers summed it up for moi " I understand Arsenal fans' devotion to Wenger. But no 'big club' manager in the world would get a new deal after 8yrs without a trophy."
I have to respectfully disagree. I think if any of those three are in charge in the previous 8 years there is more of a possibility we finish out of the top 4 then there is of ending our trophy drought. Those managers did well (at times) in programs where money was seemingly no option. This is clearly not the case at Arsenal. I think some (not you, but Piers) do not give Wenger enough credit for what he has accomplished in the past few years without a "blank check" business model. As this team emerges from their debts and spends more, I believe the path Wenger put this club on will pay dividends for many years to come.
Once again, he hasn't won a single trophy in 8 years. How much credit should a coach get at a major club like Arsenal for not winning a trophy?
You win. Or more to the point, if you're not willing to put results in context there's no answer I can give you that will satisfy.
I am tired of the context. Stop with the excuses. In the past 8 years, off the top of my head, clubs like Swansea, Liverpool, Birmingham, Tots, Everton, Wigan etc have won trophies. How about adding this fact to your context.
Yeah, and all of those clubs are playing CL football as well. What a fucking joke you've become.
Only 4, maybe 5 clubs play every year in the CL. They don't use the CL as an excuse to not win trophies. Come up with a better excuse. Five? Try again.
CL footy is WAY MORE FUCKING IMPORTANT THAN EITHER THE FA OR MICKEY MOUSE CUP.
Only an utter moron would think otherwise. Keep on thinking.
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