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dsch15
Jan 27 2014, 05:45 PM
Gooner0893
Jan 27 2014, 05:34 PM
dsch15
Jan 27 2014, 05:23 PM
Gooner0893
Jan 27 2014, 05:20 PM
mlshock35
Jan 27 2014, 03:08 PM
dream_team
Jan 27 2014, 01:19 PM
mlshock35
Jan 27 2014, 12:46 PM
Given it's been demonstrated time and again just how delicate regime change can be in the EPL, I am baffled by how anyone could not view Wenger signing a new deal as nothing but positive. <br /><br />Over the past few years, Wenger has sucessfully guided Arsenal to the expectations of the owners... the fact that those expectations do not match those of the fans is not really Mr Wengers problem. <br /><br />It's no longer responsible to sit back and call for Wenger to go... without having an idea of who can step in and immediately make life better. And who should we replace him with??? AvB, Guus Hiddink, Rafa Benitez, David Moyes, Carol Ancelotti? All are names that have been thrown out before... all have come and gone. <br /><br />No, I fear that in the future, when Le Boss exits, it will bring an amount of uncertainty to the club my heart could not bear. So for now, I welcome the new deal, all but being guaranteed of finishing in the top 4 and being in first place.
I think only two posters have mentioned AVB as wenger's potential replacement. The other 3 coaches that is Rafa,Ancelotti and Hiddink have proved they are more than capable of replacing Wenger.<br />As for Wenger getting a new deal, I don't think that is news, we all know that <br />1) If Wenger wants a new deal then he WILL get one<br />2)He would not leave for another club till he retires, because no other club will give him the kind of control he gets at Arsenal, Wenger basically runs the club, he won't get that privilege at Real madrid or PSG.<br />This tweet from Piers summed it up for moi "I understand Arsenal fans' devotion to Wenger. But no 'big club' manager in the world would get a new deal after 8yrs without a trophy."
I have to respectfully disagree. I think if any of those three are in charge in the previous 8 years there is more of a possibility we finish out of the top 4 then there is of ending our trophy drought. Those managers did well (at times) in programs where money was seemingly no option. This is clearly not the case at Arsenal.<br /><br />I think some (not you, but Piers) do not give Wenger enough credit for what he has accomplished in the past few years without a "blank check" business model. As this team emerges from their debts and spends more, I believe the path Wenger put this club on will pay dividends for many years to come.
Once again, he hasn't won a single trophy in 8 years. How much credit should a coach get at a major club like Arsenal for not winning a trophy?
You win. Or more to the point, if you're not willing to put results in context there's no answer I can give you that will satisfy.
I am tired of the context. Stop with the excuses. In the past 8 years, off the top of my head, clubs like Swansea, Liverpool, Birmingham, Tots, Everton, Wigan etc have won trophies. How about adding this fact to your context.
How can you tire of something you ignore?<br /><br />Which of the managers of those clubs would have kept Arsenal in the Champions League over the same period? In today's game, that far outweighs the League or FA Cups in terms of its financial impact.
You are making winning the CL sound like some type of trophy with your argument. It isn't. Qualification for the CL while important for any major club does not replace the winning of actual trophies.
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Jan 27 2014, 05:46 PM
still cant fathom how cheapest b'ham dismantled us in cup final- could anyone please provide plausible explanation?

buying players like squillaci, denilson, porno goal keeper, silvestre, park, jeffers, andre santos...endless list goes on & on.

wasting precious bread on youthy is long forgotten by his followers. though some may think his moses leading us outta egypt-he wasted fortune on rubbish players is wot aint spoken bout. players we had problems getting off d book-costing us bread.
Just curious, if we had beaten Birmingham in that final would you consider the buying and selling at that time to have been justified? Would it have changed your outlook on Wenger at all?

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Jan 27 2014, 05:48 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 05:38 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 05:37 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 05:35 PM
Oh, oh. The Monotonous Brigade is out chanting their mantra in unison again.

Why bother trying to reason with these posters? And again, Piers Morgan is a total cock muncher.
He is not even aware of your existence. why bother with this insult?
Another stupid response. You're on a roll.
No, you should be ashamed of resorting to insults. I haven't insulted you. Why can't you defend your point of view without saying these sort of things. This is unecessary.
Though you really insult yourself, I didn't insult you; I insulted your stupid response.

And from a fella who's had no problem slinging racist epithets and insinuating that I am a pedophile, I laugh at your outrage here.

Wait, now an insult is coming... clown!
I never insinuated that you were a pedophile or anything vile. You are really reaching here buddy. I make fun of your supposed football prowess but never any insults. I don't believe in them.
You lying fuck. I'm sure many remember how low it got between me and bog with the whole momma thing. He upped the ante to calling me a pedo, and you jumped right in courageously with insinuation after insinuation about my relationship with kids.

You have absolutely no moral authority around these parts.

Another clown double-down.
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phatosas
Jan 27 2014, 05:50 PM
This question is for those that think it is crazy to offer Wenger a contract now because he hasnt won a trophy in 8 years. If you were in charge of running the club, what would you do? Fire him right now and bring a new manager to see out the season? How about wait for him to see out the season and make a decision based on the success or failure of the team. I hope you realize that if you dont offer him a contract now, chances are he could walk away at the end of the season. Now imagine winning the league and your manager walking out the door, now that would be tough to explain. I think people also dont realize that changing managers doesnt necessarily guarantee success. It is easy enough to change managers when you back it up with millions of dollars but if you are still spending within your means, throwing in a manager with your budget is really risky. Right now the Glazers have lost millions, would lose more if they dont qualify for Europe and they are going to spend almost 200mil just to get back to challenging and there is no certainty if that would take them back to the top. Anyway if you believe this is the wrong move, then let me know what you would do if you were in charge of running the club.
maybe u is best person to answer chilli question. y did b'ham beat us in cup final?
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Gooner0893

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Jan 27 2014, 05:50 PM
This question is for those that think it is crazy to offer Wenger a contract now because he hasnt won a trophy in 8 years. If you were in charge of running the club, what would you do? Fire him right now and bring a new manager to see out the season? How about wait for him to see out the season and make a decision based on the success or failure of the team. I hope you realize that if you dont offer him a contract now, chances are he could walk away at the end of the season. Now imagine winning the league and your manager walking out the door, now that would be tough to explain. I think people also dont realize that changing managers doesnt necessarily guarantee success. It is easy enough to change managers when you back it up with millions of dollars but if you are still spending within your means, throwing in a manager with your budget is really risky. Right now the Glazers have lost millions, would lose more if they dont qualify for Europe and they are going to spend almost 200mil just to get back to challenging and there is no certainty if that would take them back to the top. Anyway if you believe this is the wrong move, then let me know what you would do if you were in charge of running the club.
Wenger is not walking away. He is going nowhere. You wait until the end of the season. It's not the end of the world if he leaves.
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Jan 27 2014, 05:55 PM
phatosas
Jan 27 2014, 05:50 PM
This question is for those that think it is crazy to offer Wenger a contract now because he hasnt won a trophy in 8 years. If you were in charge of running the club, what would you do? Fire him right now and bring a new manager to see out the season? How about wait for him to see out the season and make a decision based on the success or failure of the team. I hope you realize that if you dont offer him a contract now, chances are he could walk away at the end of the season. Now imagine winning the league and your manager walking out the door, now that would be tough to explain. I think people also dont realize that changing managers doesnt necessarily guarantee success. It is easy enough to change managers when you back it up with millions of dollars but if you are still spending within your means, throwing in a manager with your budget is really risky. Right now the Glazers have lost millions, would lose more if they dont qualify for Europe and they are going to spend almost 200mil just to get back to challenging and there is no certainty if that would take them back to the top. Anyway if you believe this is the wrong move, then let me know what you would do if you were in charge of running the club.
maybe u is best person to answer chilli question. y did b'ham beat us in cup final?
Uh, because they scored more goals?

I'm just playing with you. I know it was all Wenger's fault.
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Jan 27 2014, 05:51 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 05:45 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 05:34 PM
dsch15
Jan 27 2014, 05:23 PM
Gooner0893
Jan 27 2014, 05:20 PM
mlshock35
Jan 27 2014, 03:08 PM
dream_team
Jan 27 2014, 01:19 PM
mlshock35
Jan 27 2014, 12:46 PM
Given it's been demonstrated time and again just how delicate regime change can be in the EPL, I am baffled by how anyone could not view Wenger signing a new deal as nothing but positive. <br /><br />Over the past few years, Wenger has sucessfully guided Arsenal to the expectations of the owners... the fact that those expectations do not match those of the fans is not really Mr Wengers problem. <br /><br />It's no longer responsible to sit back and call for Wenger to go... without having an idea of who can step in and immediately make life better. And who should we replace him with??? AvB, Guus Hiddink, Rafa Benitez, David Moyes, Carol Ancelotti? All are names that have been thrown out before... all have come and gone. <br /><br />No, I fear that in the future, when Le Boss exits, it will bring an amount of uncertainty to the club my heart could not bear. So for now, I welcome the new deal, all but being guaranteed of finishing in the top 4 and being in first place.
I think only two posters have mentioned AVB as wenger's potential replacement. The other 3 coaches that is Rafa,Ancelotti and Hiddink have proved they are more than capable of replacing Wenger.<br />As for Wenger getting a new deal, I don't think that is news, we all know that <br />1) If Wenger wants a new deal then he WILL get one<br />2)He would not leave for another club till he retires, because no other club will give him the kind of control he gets at Arsenal, Wenger basically runs the club, he won't get that privilege at Real madrid or PSG.<br />This tweet from Piers summed it up for moi "I understand Arsenal fans' devotion to Wenger. But no 'big club' manager in the world would get a new deal after 8yrs without a trophy."
I have to respectfully disagree. I think if any of those three are in charge in the previous 8 years there is more of a possibility we finish out of the top 4 then there is of ending our trophy drought. Those managers did well (at times) in programs where money was seemingly no option. This is clearly not the case at Arsenal.<br /><br />I think some (not you, but Piers) do not give Wenger enough credit for what he has accomplished in the past few years without a "blank check" business model. As this team emerges from their debts and spends more, I believe the path Wenger put this club on will pay dividends for many years to come.
Once again, he hasn't won a single trophy in 8 years. How much credit should a coach get at a major club like Arsenal for not winning a trophy?
You win. Or more to the point, if you're not willing to put results in context there's no answer I can give you that will satisfy.
I am tired of the context. Stop with the excuses. In the past 8 years, off the top of my head, clubs like Swansea, Liverpool, Birmingham, Tots, Everton, Wigan etc have won trophies. How about adding this fact to your context.
How can you tire of something you ignore?<br /><br />Which of the managers of those clubs would have kept Arsenal in the Champions League over the same period? In today's game, that far outweighs the League or FA Cups in terms of its financial impact.
You are making winning the CL sound like some type of trophy with your argument. It isn't. Qualification for the CL while important for any major club does not replace the winning of actual trophies.
Please don't put your (or Wenger's regrettable) words in my mouth. Fourth place is not a trophy, but fourth or better is essential for any club's long term health. Give me a choice between that and an FA or League Cup and I'll take fourth, especially if I believe the club are building a platform for future success.

You're dissatisfied with Wenger. I get it. But again, which of the managers whose clubs you list would have done better with the resources at hand?
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Gooner0893
Jan 27 2014, 05:55 PM
phatosas
Jan 27 2014, 05:50 PM
This question is for those that think it is crazy to offer Wenger a contract now because he hasnt won a trophy in 8 years. If you were in charge of running the club, what would you do? Fire him right now and bring a new manager to see out the season? How about wait for him to see out the season and make a decision based on the success or failure of the team. I hope you realize that if you dont offer him a contract now, chances are he could walk away at the end of the season. Now imagine winning the league and your manager walking out the door, now that would be tough to explain. I think people also dont realize that changing managers doesnt necessarily guarantee success. It is easy enough to change managers when you back it up with millions of dollars but if you are still spending within your means, throwing in a manager with your budget is really risky. Right now the Glazers have lost millions, would lose more if they dont qualify for Europe and they are going to spend almost 200mil just to get back to challenging and there is no certainty if that would take them back to the top. Anyway if you believe this is the wrong move, then let me know what you would do if you were in charge of running the club.
Wenger is not walking away. He is going nowhere. You wait until the end of the season. It's not the end of the world if he leaves.
Nor would it be the end of the world if you were to go support one of the other clubs that you so admire.
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Jan 27 2014, 05:51 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 05:45 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 05:37 PM
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Jan 27 2014, 05:35 PM
Oh, oh. The Monotonous Brigade is out chanting their mantra in unison again.

Why bother trying to reason with these posters? And again, Piers Morgan is a total cock muncher.
He is not even aware of your existence. why bother with this insult?
Another stupid response. You're on a roll.
No, you should be ashamed of resorting to insults. I haven't insulted you. Why can't you defend your point of view without saying these sort of things. This is unecessary.
Though you really insult yourself, I didn't insult you; I insulted your stupid response.

And from a fella who's had no problem slinging racist epithets and insinuating that I am a pedophile, I laugh at your outrage here.

Wait, now an insult is coming... clown!
I never insinuated that you were a pedophile or anything vile. You are really reaching here buddy. I make fun of your supposed football prowess but never any insults. I don't believe in them.
You lying fuck. I'm sure many remember how low it got between me and bog with the whole momma thing. He upped the ante to calling me a pedo, and you jumped right in courageously with insinuation after insinuation about my relationship with kids.

You have absolutely no moral authority around these parts.

Another clown double-down.
Provide proof of that... You are a liar. I condemned you for the things you wrote which were unbecoming of you. I never accused of pedophilia. You are a liar. I am pretty sure that no poster on this board will say that I did such a thing. You are a liar.
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Jan 27 2014, 05:59 PM
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Gooner0893
Jan 27 2014, 05:37 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 27 2014, 05:35 PM
Oh, oh. The Monotonous Brigade is out chanting their mantra in unison again.

Why bother trying to reason with these posters? And again, Piers Morgan is a total cock muncher.
He is not even aware of your existence. why bother with this insult?
Another stupid response. You're on a roll.
No, you should be ashamed of resorting to insults. I haven't insulted you. Why can't you defend your point of view without saying these sort of things. This is unecessary.
Though you really insult yourself, I didn't insult you; I insulted your stupid response.

And from a fella who's had no problem slinging racist epithets and insinuating that I am a pedophile, I laugh at your outrage here.

Wait, now an insult is coming... clown!
I never insinuated that you were a pedophile or anything vile. You are really reaching here buddy. I make fun of your supposed football prowess but never any insults. I don't believe in them.
You lying fuck. I'm sure many remember how low it got between me and bog with the whole momma thing. He upped the ante to calling me a pedo, and you jumped right in courageously with insinuation after insinuation about my relationship with kids.

You have absolutely no moral authority around these parts.

Another clown double-down.
Provide proof of that... You are a liar. I condemned you for the things you wrote which were unbecoming of you. I never accused of pedophilia. You are a liar. I am pretty sure that no poster on this board will say that I did such a thing. You are a liar.
From the other forum, so no somking gun is available. But I have a very good memory, and I recall your pedo taunts like it was yesterday.

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