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Jan 28 2014, 02:44 PM
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Jan 28 2014, 01:55 PM
Franklin's quote is my favorite from those founding fellas, and it has perhaps never been more relevant than today. From snooping on the citizenry to imperialism abroad, Obama is the third-term of Bush, and worse in many ways.
I have plenty of issues with Obama, but I think calling him the same as Bush is unfair. Obama inherited impossible situations. Bush created them.
I think that 'get out of jail' card has expired. Every president inherits nasty problems. At some point he has to own them. It's the nature of the job.
Again not fair to compare what other presidents inherited, there is no comparison. Obama got:

--Biggest recession since depression
--Iraq
--Tea Party

Frankly, if you look at where the country is today (at least economically) vs where it was in December 2008, you could make a case for his greatness, particularly given the environment he exists in.

Plus he loves the Bears and the White Sox.
The divisions of wealth have dramatically increased under the Obama presidency. There are a billion reasons why he is servicing Wall Street over Main Street.

Any CEO's go to jail in the last few years? Executives? No, but the FBI went after Aaron Schwartz with everything they had for downloading files from the MIT website.

We live in a fascist state, and Obama is it's willing leader.
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Jan 28 2014, 01:55 PM
Franklin's quote is my favorite from those founding fellas, and it has perhaps never been more relevant than today. From snooping on the citizenry to imperialism abroad, Obama is the third-term of Bush, and worse in many ways.
I have plenty of issues with Obama, but I think calling him the same as Bush is unfair. Obama inherited impossible situations. Bush created them.
I think that 'get out of jail' card has expired. Every president inherits nasty problems. At some point he has to own them. It's the nature of the job.
Again not fair to compare what other presidents inherited, there is no comparison. Obama got:

--Biggest recession since depression
--Iraq
--Tea Party

Frankly, if you look at where the country is today (at least economically) vs where it was in December 2008, you could make a case for his greatness, particularly given the environment he exists in.

Plus he loves the Bears and the White Sox.
The divisions of wealth have dramatically increased under the Obama presidency. There are a billion reasons why he is servicing Wall Street over Main Street.

Any CEO's go to jail in the last few years? Executives? No, but the FBI went after Aaron Schwartz with everything they had for downloading files from the MIT website.

We live in a fascist state, and Obama is it's willing leader.
If you say so.
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Jan 28 2014, 01:55 PM
Franklin's quote is my favorite from those founding fellas, and it has perhaps never been more relevant than today. From snooping on the citizenry to imperialism abroad, Obama is the third-term of Bush, and worse in many ways.
I have plenty of issues with Obama, but I think calling him the same as Bush is unfair. Obama inherited impossible situations. Bush created them.
I think that 'get out of jail' card has expired. Every president inherits nasty problems. At some point he has to own them. It's the nature of the job.
Again not fair to compare what other presidents inherited, there is no comparison. Obama got:

--Biggest recession since depression
--Iraq
--Tea Party

Frankly, if you look at where the country is today (at least economically) vs where it was in December 2008, you could make a case for his greatness, particularly given the environment he exists in.

Plus he loves the Bears and the White Sox.
You might have a look at the state of the country and the world at FDR's inauguration.
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 28 2014, 01:55 PM
Franklin's quote is my favorite from those founding fellas, and it has perhaps never been more relevant than today. From snooping on the citizenry to imperialism abroad, Obama is the third-term of Bush, and worse in many ways.
I have plenty of issues with Obama, but I think calling him the same as Bush is unfair. Obama inherited impossible situations. Bush created them.
I think that 'get out of jail' card has expired. Every president inherits nasty problems. At some point he has to own them. It's the nature of the job.
Again not fair to compare what other presidents inherited, there is no comparison. Obama got:

--Biggest recession since depression
--Iraq
--Tea Party

Frankly, if you look at where the country is today (at least economically) vs where it was in December 2008, you could make a case for his greatness, particularly given the environment he exists in.

Plus he loves the Bears and the White Sox.
The divisions of wealth have dramatically increased under the Obama presidency. There are a billion reasons why he is servicing Wall Street over Main Street.

Any CEO's go to jail in the last few years? Executives? No, but the FBI went after Aaron Schwartz with everything they had for downloading files from the MIT website.

We live in a fascist state, and Obama is it's willing leader.
If you say so.
The division in wealth hasn't continued to increase by leaps and bounds under Obama just like it did under Bush?

News to me, but if you say so.
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Jan 28 2014, 02:54 PM
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 28 2014, 01:55 PM
Franklin's quote is my favorite from those founding fellas, and it has perhaps never been more relevant than today. From snooping on the citizenry to imperialism abroad, Obama is the third-term of Bush, and worse in many ways.
I have plenty of issues with Obama, but I think calling him the same as Bush is unfair. Obama inherited impossible situations. Bush created them.
I think that 'get out of jail' card has expired. Every president inherits nasty problems. At some point he has to own them. It's the nature of the job.
Again not fair to compare what other presidents inherited, there is no comparison. Obama got:

--Biggest recession since depression
--Iraq
--Tea Party

Frankly, if you look at where the country is today (at least economically) vs where it was in December 2008, you could make a case for his greatness, particularly given the environment he exists in.

Plus he loves the Bears and the White Sox.
The divisions of wealth have dramatically increased under the Obama presidency. There are a billion reasons why he is servicing Wall Street over Main Street.

Any CEO's go to jail in the last few years? Executives? No, but the FBI went after Aaron Schwartz with everything they had for downloading files from the MIT website.

We live in a fascist state, and Obama is it's willing leader.
"Fascist" must mean something different than it did when I was in school.
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Jan 28 2014, 02:22 PM
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 28 2014, 01:55 PM
Franklin's quote is my favorite from those founding fellas, and it has perhaps never been more relevant than today. From snooping on the citizenry to imperialism abroad, Obama is the third-term of Bush, and worse in many ways.
I have plenty of issues with Obama, but I think calling him the same as Bush is unfair. Obama inherited impossible situations. Bush created them.
I think that 'get out of jail' card has expired. Every president inherits nasty problems. At some point he has to own them. It's the nature of the job.
Again not fair to compare what other presidents inherited, there is no comparison. Obama got:

--Biggest recession since depression
--Iraq
--Tea Party

Frankly, if you look at where the country is today (at least economically) vs where it was in December 2008, you could make a case for his greatness, particularly given the environment he exists in.

Plus he loves the Bears and the White Sox.
The divisions of wealth have dramatically increased under the Obama presidency. There are a billion reasons why he is servicing Wall Street over Main Street.

Any CEO's go to jail in the last few years? Executives? No, but the FBI went after Aaron Schwartz with everything they had for downloading files from the MIT website.

We live in a fascist state, and Obama is it's willing leader.
"Fascist" must mean something different than it did when I was in school.
I would contend that we are far closer to "corporate fascism" than we are to government by and for the people. For the most part, the idea of choice in who represents us is an illusion. There are exceptions, but unfortunately, that's the rule.
Edited by JustOneDennisBergkamp, Jan 28 2014, 03:48 PM.
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Jan 28 2014, 03:40 PM
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 28 2014, 01:55 PM
Franklin's quote is my favorite from those founding fellas, and it has perhaps never been more relevant than today. From snooping on the citizenry to imperialism abroad, Obama is the third-term of Bush, and worse in many ways.
I have plenty of issues with Obama, but I think calling him the same as Bush is unfair. Obama inherited impossible situations. Bush created them.
I think that 'get out of jail' card has expired. Every president inherits nasty problems. At some point he has to own them. It's the nature of the job.
Again not fair to compare what other presidents inherited, there is no comparison. Obama got:

--Biggest recession since depression
--Iraq
--Tea Party

Frankly, if you look at where the country is today (at least economically) vs where it was in December 2008, you could make a case for his greatness, particularly given the environment he exists in.

Plus he loves the Bears and the White Sox.
You might have a look at the state of the country and the world at FDR's inauguration.
Yes, ergo "since depression"
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After reading JODB's soliloquy, I had to grab my dictionary to re-examine the definition of fascism. Then, I realized that my understanding of the word wasn't incorrect. This is just another example of JODB's propensity for melodrama.
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Jan 28 2014, 02:54 PM
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Jan 28 2014, 02:44 PM
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Jan 28 2014, 02:22 PM
Joe Bobs Fine Foods
Jan 28 2014, 02:15 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 28 2014, 01:55 PM
Franklin's quote is my favorite from those founding fellas, and it has perhaps never been more relevant than today. From snooping on the citizenry to imperialism abroad, Obama is the third-term of Bush, and worse in many ways.
I have plenty of issues with Obama, but I think calling him the same as Bush is unfair. Obama inherited impossible situations. Bush created them.
I think that 'get out of jail' card has expired. Every president inherits nasty problems. At some point he has to own them. It's the nature of the job.
Again not fair to compare what other presidents inherited, there is no comparison. Obama got:

--Biggest recession since depression
--Iraq
--Tea Party

Frankly, if you look at where the country is today (at least economically) vs where it was in December 2008, you could make a case for his greatness, particularly given the environment he exists in.

Plus he loves the Bears and the White Sox.
The divisions of wealth have dramatically increased under the Obama presidency. There are a billion reasons why he is servicing Wall Street over Main Street.

Any CEO's go to jail in the last few years? Executives? No, but the FBI went after Aaron Schwartz with everything they had for downloading files from the MIT website.

We live in a fascist state, and Obama is it's willing leader.
If you say so.
The division in wealth hasn't continued to increase by leaps and bounds under Obama just like it did under Bush?

News to me, but if you say so.
The division of wealth in this country has jumped since Reagan (and before) as hyperbole-driven neocon economics (supported by Dems as well) have become accepted as the norm.

That the rich get richer during and after a recession is the reality of capitalism, its apolitical. Like it or not, Wall Street always recovers first.
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Gooner0893

Most sensible comment yet by Joe. Maybe I will start reading his posts.
Edited by Gooner0893, Jan 28 2014, 04:13 PM.
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