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Topic Started: Jan 28 2014, 08:01 AM (618 Views)
JustOneDennisBergkamp
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Anyone familiar with either the American Legislative Exchange Council or the Koch brothers that can tell me that they are not pushing in every way for "an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization" needs to open their eyes. These guys are buying the role backs of the rights of citizens while simultaneously insulating and distributing more wealth to corporations state by state.

Go look them up, and tell me corporate fascism isn't already afoot in this country.
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Gooner0893
Jan 28 2014, 05:54 PM
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Jan 28 2014, 05:52 PM
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Jan 28 2014, 05:46 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 28 2014, 05:37 PM
jays712
Jan 28 2014, 05:34 PM
"Heavy policing" by who? You really think this country is gonna have Brownshirts and the Stasi rounding people up covertly by the thousands?
I don't have to point towards some Hollywood view of an apocalyptic future to find examples of "heavy policing." Are you familiar with want went down at the last two Republican National conventions. Ever hear of Oscar Grant.

I make no apologies for being a canary in this coal mine as there is enough smoke for us all to actually see it. But I'll continue to chirp nonetheless.
We all know that you will continue to chirp regardless. That's a right that won't be taken away from you. However, chirping and bloviating isn't strengthening your argument. While your premise may have some merit, your over the top use words like fascism is lessening your argument.
Articulately defending an unpopular position is far harder and takes much more courage than jumping on board behind others. You wouldn't know too much about that, though.

Now go away and let grown men talk.
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 28 2014, 05:37 PM
jays712
Jan 28 2014, 05:34 PM
"Heavy policing" by who? You really think this country is gonna have Brownshirts and the Stasi rounding people up covertly by the thousands?
I don't have to point towards some Hollywood view of an apocalyptic future to find examples of "heavy policing." Are you familiar with want went down at the last two Republican National conventions. Ever hear of Oscar Grant.

I make no apologies for being a canary in this coal mine as there is enough smoke for us all to actually see it. But I'll continue to chirp nonetheless.
You've lost me with this Oscar Grant deal. That's called a fucking nut rogue cop not some militaristic fascism. You wanna see something closer to what you're talking about than go look up how the Philadelphia Police operared under Mayor Rizzo in the 1970's.
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jays712
Jan 28 2014, 06:03 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 28 2014, 05:37 PM
jays712
Jan 28 2014, 05:34 PM
"Heavy policing" by who? You really think this country is gonna have Brownshirts and the Stasi rounding people up covertly by the thousands?
I don't have to point towards some Hollywood view of an apocalyptic future to find examples of "heavy policing." Are you familiar with want went down at the last two Republican National conventions. Ever hear of Oscar Grant.

I make no apologies for being a canary in this coal mine as there is enough smoke for us all to actually see it. But I'll continue to chirp nonetheless.
You've lost me with this Oscar Grant deal. That's called a fucking nut rogue cop not some militaristic fascism. You wanna see something closer to what you're talking about than go look up how the Philadelphia Police operared under Mayor Rizzo in the 1970's.
Oscar Grant's death was symptomatic of police overreaction to criminals, particularly those of color, throughout our country. How about Amadou Diallo instead? Police forces across America, particularly after 9/11, have adopted a gang mentality that is just as dangerous as the gang activity it is intended to discourage.

From "stop and frisk" to the heavy handed actions of police at the last two RNC's, we are seeing examples of becoming more of a police state. And we allow it because those in power have convinced us to be so afraid of gangsters and terrorists, that we will look the other way when the innocent get caught up in the gears of the often brutal and viscous machinery.
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You need to drop the "police state" and "heavy policing" terms because thay are way over the top. What you're using as examples are simply isolated incidents of overzealousness and perhaps the actions by officers who should've never been given a badge and gun to begin with.

In a country where I, as a private citizen, can arm myself with an arsenal that could rival a small town police force, there's no slippery slope happening here. When I get some strange guy knocking at my door asking me questions about what I just posted throughout this thread, than I'll say you're right and we'e living in a "police state".
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A quick suggestion JODB. Less Fox News and MSNBC and go to your local dispersary out there in Cali and get yourself some Connie Chung brand of pot, get high, and watch a couple hours of Wipeout. I guarantee a stress free good time. LOL
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I watch Democracy Now and the Thom Hartman Show. Al Jazeera on occasion as well.

I said, "From "stop and frisk" to the heavy handed actions of police at the last two RNC's, we are seeing examples of becoming more of a police state." I never said this was a police state.

And I'm tired of accusations of over the top language from folks. In return, I'll simply say that you fail to grasp the gravity of various situations, and the implications of allowing any type of fascism to take hold in America.
Edited by JustOneDennisBergkamp, Jan 28 2014, 07:32 PM.
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Jan 28 2014, 07:31 PM
I watch Democracy Now and the Thom Hartman Show. Al Jazeera on occasion as well.

I said, "From "stop and frisk" to the heavy handed actions of police at the last two RNC's, we are seeing examples of becoming more of a police state." I never said this was a police state.

And I'm tired of accusations of over the top language from folks. In return, I'll simply say that you fail to grasp the gravity of various situations, and the implications of allowing any type of fascism to take hold in America.
While I understand that MSNBC is perceived as the liberal version of Fox, they are not the same.

I am sorry, but Rachel Maddow >>>>>>>>>> Bill O'Reilly, not just because of her politics.
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 28 2014, 07:31 PM
I watch Democracy Now and the Thom Hartman Show. Al Jazeera on occasion as well.

I said, "From "stop and frisk" to the heavy handed actions of police at the last two RNC's, we are seeing examples of becoming more of a police state." I never said this was a police state.

And I'm tired of accusations of over the top language from folks. In return, I'll simply say that you fail to grasp the gravity of various situations, and the implications of allowing any type of fascism to take hold in America.
I don't feel we're even on the road to becoming a police state are anything resembling that. If you want to think my head is buried firmly in the sand than so be it.

This is why I avoid political discussions on message boards that really don't have anything to do with politics. Gets people pissed off over outside things that don't concern the main focus of the group itself. COYFG!
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 28 2014, 07:31 PM
I watch Democracy Now and the Thom Hartman Show. Al Jazeera on occasion as well.

I said, "From "stop and frisk" to the heavy handed actions of police at the last two RNC's, we are seeing examples of becoming more of a police state." I never said this was a police state.

And I'm tired of accusations of over the top language from folks. In return, I'll simply say that you fail to grasp the gravity of various situations, and the implications of allowing any type of fascism to take hold in America.
Well, we share fatigue, if not a point of view. I'm tired of being told I just don't understand what's really going on when my interpretation of events differs from that of a left- or right-wing proponent.
Edited by dsch15, Jan 28 2014, 08:26 PM.
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