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Jan 31 2014, 12:34 PM
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I think that Dream didn't get the memo. You are only supposed to say that City is lucky and aided by the refs. It's too early to crown them but they are scary and have so much talent. Every other team in the world who loses a player of the caliber of Aguero who has 25 goals in 24 games and they will struggle. City are not even worried. I don't think that there is a single player in Tots starting 11 who could get into City's starting 11 other than maybe Lloris. No team should be ashamed of losing to them. Their football in the first half against Spurs was breathtaking.
I find your comment kind of silly I am sorry to say. This is an Arsenal board and posting an article talking about how brilliant City are on the Arsenal board is at the very least in bad taste. Nobody wants to read that stuff here (except perhaps the closet City fans). They were aided by the linesman, I dont think that is debatable. They had a goal chalked off for being offside and a penalty and red card that never was in that game. If you are competing against a team and you see that happen 3 or 4 times during the course of the season, you have to talk about it. Now this has happened in the last two months, it think it is incredible you want us to pretend that these things never happened. I dont know what to say about your comment about Aguerro. City have spent 1 billion and stockpiled players. Do you want us to feel sorry that one of their players is injured or you want us to creme on our pants that they had quality replacements sitting on the bench? When a team can spend money like it is going out of fashion and then pay ridiculous wages, I dont think there is anything special in them having quality players in the starting line up and starting quality players sitting on the bench without complaining. In fact I think it is quite amazing that Arsenal have pushed them to this point and if you are really an Arsenal fan you would be rooting for us to keep going and push them to the very end.
well apologies for posting that piece here, I ran across the article accidentally on twitter(I think it was janusz michallik who posted it) and I believed it was relevant to what we are discussing on this thread. As for the red card, it was harsh, but I've pointed out that the big teams always get majority of these calls. The goal that was ruled out by the way was correctly ruled out, in the first place it wasn't a free kick as Danny rose was hardly touched, and adebayor was clearly offside and he was involved in play. At some point this season we would get those calls too and it would more or less even out at the end.
I wish we do get those calls, I wish one of Southampton goal was chalked off. Instead Southampton got a questionable free kick and even the goal looked like a foul on Monreal. I wish we got a penalty when we played Chelsea and had a Chelsea player sent off. Actually we should have rightly gotten a penalty and a Chelsea player should have been sent off. You see this calls do matter. if Southampton had a goal chalked off we would still be on top of the league. If Chelsea conceded a penalty and a red card, they would be 5 points behind us right now. I don't see people complaining too much about these calls because there is a belief that things even out but they really don't. The reason why people here are complaining is because of how blatant these City decisions are right now. The reason why City get away with these decisions is that they score many goals and gloss over these decisions. If Arsenal were playing Spurs and got a penalty and red card, we probably would have stopped scoring at that point. If we were playing Newcastle and they had a goal chalked off, we probably wouldn't score a second. However considering Arsenal hardly ever concede, if we have had 2-3 games with those type of decisions, we would be 4-6 points ahead of City. I don't see how it can balance out, the amount of bad decisions City would need to have or good decisions that we would need is simply too much. In fact I worry that if the linesmen are still on the payroll, they would still get more of these decisions between now and the end of the season.
This is your most ludicrous statement yet. Arsenal gets calls all the time, and so does united, Chelsea and City. As a matter of fact, the big teams always get more calls than the small teams. You have gone from attacking United for getting calls to Chelsea, then back to united and now it's city. Arsenal this season has gotten more good calls and than bad calls. These refs are imperfect, they have a split second to make decisions. The goal scored by Tots in the first half was correctly called a non-goal. Adebayor who was offside clearly influenced the play. The penalty decision was a close one. It was a rash challenge by Rose even though he touched the ball. Once again, the refs have a split second to make these decisions. Try refereeing once in your lifetime and you see how hard it is to make these instant decisions dealing with close calls. I have done it. This is the Arsenal board and not a forum to offer praise to rival teams. But it is also a football forum and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that another team is playing great like Dream did. Go on redcafe and you will ManU acknowledge the play of other teams. You sound like a simpleton when you claim that city wins solely because they catch breaks from the refs and are lucky. I agree that Wenger and Arsenal deserve credit for being this close this far in the season. However, Arsenal is a big club and Wenger has been at the club for 17 years. It was always going to take time for City, United and Chelsea to find a rhythm. City is the most talented team followed by Chelsea and Arsenal. Arsenal should compete for the title this year because Wenger had a team that wasn't in transition and he had the opportunity to bring in a capable striker and did not do so. "This is the Arsenal board and not a forum to offer praise to rival teams. But it is also a football forum and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that another team is playing great like Dream did."Quite the little bundle of contradiction, ain't you? Kinda like Chinatown: "She's my daughter. She's my sister..." Arsenal supporters here and everywhere else generally resent clubs like City and Chelsea, so when fellas like you and The Piz start in with your sessions of worship for Mourinho and now just about everything City, you get all the derision that you deserve. I crudely suggested earlier that pizzy should support the team he obviously so admires. How about you join him? how about the AVB supporters go find an AVB board eh? Because it is an Arsenal board doesn't mean you can't acknowledge when other teams are playing well, I see Klopp and his Dortmund boys get a lot of love here and no one complains.
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Jan 31 2014, 12:41 PM
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I think that Dream didn't get the memo. You are only supposed to say that City is lucky and aided by the refs. It's too early to crown them but they are scary and have so much talent. Every other team in the world who loses a player of the caliber of Aguero who has 25 goals in 24 games and they will struggle. City are not even worried. I don't think that there is a single player in Tots starting 11 who could get into City's starting 11 other than maybe Lloris. No team should be ashamed of losing to them. Their football in the first half against Spurs was breathtaking.
I find your comment kind of silly I am sorry to say. This is an Arsenal board and posting an article talking about how brilliant City are on the Arsenal board is at the very least in bad taste. Nobody wants to read that stuff here (except perhaps the closet City fans). They were aided by the linesman, I dont think that is debatable. They had a goal chalked off for being offside and a penalty and red card that never was in that game. If you are competing against a team and you see that happen 3 or 4 times during the course of the season, you have to talk about it. Now this has happened in the last two months, it think it is incredible you want us to pretend that these things never happened. I dont know what to say about your comment about Aguerro. City have spent 1 billion and stockpiled players. Do you want us to feel sorry that one of their players is injured or you want us to creme on our pants that they had quality replacements sitting on the bench? When a team can spend money like it is going out of fashion and then pay ridiculous wages, I dont think there is anything special in them having quality players in the starting line up and starting quality players sitting on the bench without complaining. In fact I think it is quite amazing that Arsenal have pushed them to this point and if you are really an Arsenal fan you would be rooting for us to keep going and push them to the very end.
well apologies for posting that piece here, I ran across the article accidentally on twitter(I think it was janusz michallik who posted it) and I believed it was relevant to what we are discussing on this thread. As for the red card, it was harsh, but I've pointed out that the big teams always get majority of these calls. The goal that was ruled out by the way was correctly ruled out, in the first place it wasn't a free kick as Danny rose was hardly touched, and adebayor was clearly offside and he was involved in play. At some point this season we would get those calls too and it would more or less even out at the end.
I wish we do get those calls, I wish one of Southampton goal was chalked off. Instead Southampton got a questionable free kick and even the goal looked like a foul on Monreal. I wish we got a penalty when we played Chelsea and had a Chelsea player sent off. Actually we should have rightly gotten a penalty and a Chelsea player should have been sent off. You see this calls do matter. if Southampton had a goal chalked off we would still be on top of the league. If Chelsea conceded a penalty and a red card, they would be 5 points behind us right now. I don't see people complaining too much about these calls because there is a belief that things even out but they really don't. The reason why people here are complaining is because of how blatant these City decisions are right now. The reason why City get away with these decisions is that they score many goals and gloss over these decisions. If Arsenal were playing Spurs and got a penalty and red card, we probably would have stopped scoring at that point. If we were playing Newcastle and they had a goal chalked off, we probably wouldn't score a second. However considering Arsenal hardly ever concede, if we have had 2-3 games with those type of decisions, we would be 4-6 points ahead of City. I don't see how it can balance out, the amount of bad decisions City would need to have or good decisions that we would need is simply too much. In fact I worry that if the linesmen are still on the payroll, they would still get more of these decisions between now and the end of the season.
This is your most ludicrous statement yet. Arsenal gets calls all the time, and so does united, Chelsea and City. As a matter of fact, the big teams always get more calls than the small teams. You have gone from attacking United for getting calls to Chelsea, then back to united and now it's city. Arsenal this season has gotten more good calls and than bad calls. These refs are imperfect, they have a split second to make decisions. The goal scored by Tots in the first half was correctly called a non-goal. Adebayor who was offside clearly influenced the play. The penalty decision was a close one. It was a rash challenge by Rose even though he touched the ball. Once again, the refs have a split second to make these decisions. Try refereeing once in your lifetime and you see how hard it is to make these instant decisions dealing with close calls. I have done it. This is the Arsenal board and not a forum to offer praise to rival teams. But it is also a football forum and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that another team is playing great like Dream did. Go on redcafe and you will ManU acknowledge the play of other teams. You sound like a simpleton when you claim that city wins solely because they catch breaks from the refs and are lucky. I agree that Wenger and Arsenal deserve credit for being this close this far in the season. However, Arsenal is a big club and Wenger has been at the club for 17 years. It was always going to take time for City, United and Chelsea to find a rhythm. City is the most talented team followed by Chelsea and Arsenal. Arsenal should compete for the title this year because Wenger had a team that wasn't in transition and he had the opportunity to bring in a capable striker and did not do so. I remembered we did get a dubious call against Sunderland earlier in the season, that probably cost Sunderland the point. And if not for Giroud we would have scored 'the most offside' goal in the history of the EPL in another game earlier this season. When are we going to shift the focus away from attacking teams for getting help from refs to get to the top of the league, like 0893 said first it was United, then Chelsea and then Man City, who's next? Like I said big teams do get the big calls, and most often than not these calls even out after 38 games.
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Jan 31 2014, 12:45 PM
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I think that Dream didn't get the memo. You are only supposed to say that City is lucky and aided by the refs. It's too early to crown them but they are scary and have so much talent. Every other team in the world who loses a player of the caliber of Aguero who has 25 goals in 24 games and they will struggle. City are not even worried. I don't think that there is a single player in Tots starting 11 who could get into City's starting 11 other than maybe Lloris. No team should be ashamed of losing to them. Their football in the first half against Spurs was breathtaking.
I find your comment kind of silly I am sorry to say. This is an Arsenal board and posting an article talking about how brilliant City are on the Arsenal board is at the very least in bad taste. Nobody wants to read that stuff here (except perhaps the closet City fans). They were aided by the linesman, I dont think that is debatable. They had a goal chalked off for being offside and a penalty and red card that never was in that game. If you are competing against a team and you see that happen 3 or 4 times during the course of the season, you have to talk about it. Now this has happened in the last two months, it think it is incredible you want us to pretend that these things never happened. I dont know what to say about your comment about Aguerro. City have spent 1 billion and stockpiled players. Do you want us to feel sorry that one of their players is injured or you want us to creme on our pants that they had quality replacements sitting on the bench? When a team can spend money like it is going out of fashion and then pay ridiculous wages, I dont think there is anything special in them having quality players in the starting line up and starting quality players sitting on the bench without complaining. In fact I think it is quite amazing that Arsenal have pushed them to this point and if you are really an Arsenal fan you would be rooting for us to keep going and push them to the very end.
well apologies for posting that piece here, I ran across the article accidentally on twitter(I think it was janusz michallik who posted it) and I believed it was relevant to what we are discussing on this thread. As for the red card, it was harsh, but I've pointed out that the big teams always get majority of these calls. The goal that was ruled out by the way was correctly ruled out, in the first place it wasn't a free kick as Danny rose was hardly touched, and adebayor was clearly offside and he was involved in play. At some point this season we would get those calls too and it would more or less even out at the end.
I wish we do get those calls, I wish one of Southampton goal was chalked off. Instead Southampton got a questionable free kick and even the goal looked like a foul on Monreal. I wish we got a penalty when we played Chelsea and had a Chelsea player sent off. Actually we should have rightly gotten a penalty and a Chelsea player should have been sent off. You see this calls do matter. if Southampton had a goal chalked off we would still be on top of the league. If Chelsea conceded a penalty and a red card, they would be 5 points behind us right now. I don't see people complaining too much about these calls because there is a belief that things even out but they really don't. The reason why people here are complaining is because of how blatant these City decisions are right now. The reason why City get away with these decisions is that they score many goals and gloss over these decisions. If Arsenal were playing Spurs and got a penalty and red card, we probably would have stopped scoring at that point. If we were playing Newcastle and they had a goal chalked off, we probably wouldn't score a second. However considering Arsenal hardly ever concede, if we have had 2-3 games with those type of decisions, we would be 4-6 points ahead of City. I don't see how it can balance out, the amount of bad decisions City would need to have or good decisions that we would need is simply too much. In fact I worry that if the linesmen are still on the payroll, they would still get more of these decisions between now and the end of the season.
This is your most ludicrous statement yet. Arsenal gets calls all the time, and so does united, Chelsea and City. As a matter of fact, the big teams always get more calls than the small teams. You have gone from attacking United for getting calls to Chelsea, then back to united and now it's city. Arsenal this season has gotten more good calls and than bad calls. These refs are imperfect, they have a split second to make decisions. The goal scored by Tots in the first half was correctly called a non-goal. Adebayor who was offside clearly influenced the play. The penalty decision was a close one. It was a rash challenge by Rose even though he touched the ball. Once again, the refs have a split second to make these decisions. Try refereeing once in your lifetime and you see how hard it is to make these instant decisions dealing with close calls. I have done it. This is the Arsenal board and not a forum to offer praise to rival teams. But it is also a football forum and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that another team is playing great like Dream did. Go on redcafe and you will ManU acknowledge the play of other teams. You sound like a simpleton when you claim that city wins solely because they catch breaks from the refs and are lucky. I agree that Wenger and Arsenal deserve credit for being this close this far in the season. However, Arsenal is a big club and Wenger has been at the club for 17 years. It was always going to take time for City, United and Chelsea to find a rhythm. City is the most talented team followed by Chelsea and Arsenal. Arsenal should compete for the title this year because Wenger had a team that wasn't in transition and he had the opportunity to bring in a capable striker and did not do so. "This is the Arsenal board and not a forum to offer praise to rival teams. But it is also a football forum and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that another team is playing great like Dream did."Quite the little bundle of contradiction, ain't you? Kinda like Chinatown: "She's my daughter. She's my sister..." Arsenal supporters here and everywhere else generally resent clubs like City and Chelsea, so when fellas like you and The Piz start in with your sessions of worship for Mourinho and now just about everything City, you get all the derision that you deserve. I crudely suggested earlier that pizzy should support the team he obviously so admires. How about you join him?
how about the AVB supporters go find an AVB board eh? Because it is an Arsenal board doesn't mean you can't acknowledge when other teams are playing well, I see Klopp and his Dortmund boys get a lot of love here and no one complains. Oh, perhaps we would be set to tolerate the occasional reference in admiration of City's play, particularly their attack. It's your constant and complete love for them that makes Gooners want to puke, though.
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Jan 31 2014, 01:02 PM
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I think that Dream didn't get the memo. You are only supposed to say that City is lucky and aided by the refs. It's too early to crown them but they are scary and have so much talent. Every other team in the world who loses a player of the caliber of Aguero who has 25 goals in 24 games and they will struggle. City are not even worried. I don't think that there is a single player in Tots starting 11 who could get into City's starting 11 other than maybe Lloris. No team should be ashamed of losing to them. Their football in the first half against Spurs was breathtaking.
I find your comment kind of silly I am sorry to say. This is an Arsenal board and posting an article talking about how brilliant City are on the Arsenal board is at the very least in bad taste. Nobody wants to read that stuff here (except perhaps the closet City fans). They were aided by the linesman, I dont think that is debatable. They had a goal chalked off for being offside and a penalty and red card that never was in that game. If you are competing against a team and you see that happen 3 or 4 times during the course of the season, you have to talk about it. Now this has happened in the last two months, it think it is incredible you want us to pretend that these things never happened. I dont know what to say about your comment about Aguerro. City have spent 1 billion and stockpiled players. Do you want us to feel sorry that one of their players is injured or you want us to creme on our pants that they had quality replacements sitting on the bench? When a team can spend money like it is going out of fashion and then pay ridiculous wages, I dont think there is anything special in them having quality players in the starting line up and starting quality players sitting on the bench without complaining. In fact I think it is quite amazing that Arsenal have pushed them to this point and if you are really an Arsenal fan you would be rooting for us to keep going and push them to the very end.
well apologies for posting that piece here, I ran across the article accidentally on twitter(I think it was janusz michallik who posted it) and I believed it was relevant to what we are discussing on this thread. As for the red card, it was harsh, but I've pointed out that the big teams always get majority of these calls. The goal that was ruled out by the way was correctly ruled out, in the first place it wasn't a free kick as Danny rose was hardly touched, and adebayor was clearly offside and he was involved in play. At some point this season we would get those calls too and it would more or less even out at the end.
I wish we do get those calls, I wish one of Southampton goal was chalked off. Instead Southampton got a questionable free kick and even the goal looked like a foul on Monreal. I wish we got a penalty when we played Chelsea and had a Chelsea player sent off. Actually we should have rightly gotten a penalty and a Chelsea player should have been sent off. You see this calls do matter. if Southampton had a goal chalked off we would still be on top of the league. If Chelsea conceded a penalty and a red card, they would be 5 points behind us right now. I don't see people complaining too much about these calls because there is a belief that things even out but they really don't. The reason why people here are complaining is because of how blatant these City decisions are right now. The reason why City get away with these decisions is that they score many goals and gloss over these decisions. If Arsenal were playing Spurs and got a penalty and red card, we probably would have stopped scoring at that point. If we were playing Newcastle and they had a goal chalked off, we probably wouldn't score a second. However considering Arsenal hardly ever concede, if we have had 2-3 games with those type of decisions, we would be 4-6 points ahead of City. I don't see how it can balance out, the amount of bad decisions City would need to have or good decisions that we would need is simply too much. In fact I worry that if the linesmen are still on the payroll, they would still get more of these decisions between now and the end of the season.
This is your most ludicrous statement yet. Arsenal gets calls all the time, and so does united, Chelsea and City. As a matter of fact, the big teams always get more calls than the small teams. You have gone from attacking United for getting calls to Chelsea, then back to united and now it's city. Arsenal this season has gotten more good calls and than bad calls. These refs are imperfect, they have a split second to make decisions. The goal scored by Tots in the first half was correctly called a non-goal. Adebayor who was offside clearly influenced the play. The penalty decision was a close one. It was a rash challenge by Rose even though he touched the ball. Once again, the refs have a split second to make these decisions. Try refereeing once in your lifetime and you see how hard it is to make these instant decisions dealing with close calls. I have done it. This is the Arsenal board and not a forum to offer praise to rival teams. But it is also a football forum and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that another team is playing great like Dream did. Go on redcafe and you will ManU acknowledge the play of other teams. You sound like a simpleton when you claim that city wins solely because they catch breaks from the refs and are lucky. I agree that Wenger and Arsenal deserve credit for being this close this far in the season. However, Arsenal is a big club and Wenger has been at the club for 17 years. It was always going to take time for City, United and Chelsea to find a rhythm. City is the most talented team followed by Chelsea and Arsenal. Arsenal should compete for the title this year because Wenger had a team that wasn't in transition and he had the opportunity to bring in a capable striker and did not do so.
I remembered we did get a dubious call against Sunderland earlier in the season, that probably cost Sunderland the point. And if not for Giroud we would have scored 'the most offside' goal in the history of the EPL in another game earlier this season. When are we going to shift the focus away from attacking teams for getting help from refs to get to the top of the league, like 0893 said first it was United, then Chelsea and then Man City, who's next? Like I said big teams do get the big calls, and most often than not these calls even out after 38 games. Lol,
For the entire season all you could point to was the penalty in the 80th minute of the Sunderland game which we were leading (which was a penalty I might add) and the linesman mistake against Cardiff which was inconsequential because Giroud corrected the mistake for him. If that is all the evidence you could provide to draw a parallel with Man City dubious decisions in the last couple of months, then you have made my point for me. I rest my case.....
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Jan 31 2014, 01:10 PM
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I think that Dream didn't get the memo. You are only supposed to say that City is lucky and aided by the refs. It's too early to crown them but they are scary and have so much talent. Every other team in the world who loses a player of the caliber of Aguero who has 25 goals in 24 games and they will struggle. City are not even worried. I don't think that there is a single player in Tots starting 11 who could get into City's starting 11 other than maybe Lloris. No team should be ashamed of losing to them. Their football in the first half against Spurs was breathtaking.
I find your comment kind of silly I am sorry to say. This is an Arsenal board and posting an article talking about how brilliant City are on the Arsenal board is at the very least in bad taste. Nobody wants to read that stuff here (except perhaps the closet City fans). They were aided by the linesman, I dont think that is debatable. They had a goal chalked off for being offside and a penalty and red card that never was in that game. If you are competing against a team and you see that happen 3 or 4 times during the course of the season, you have to talk about it. Now this has happened in the last two months, it think it is incredible you want us to pretend that these things never happened. I dont know what to say about your comment about Aguerro. City have spent 1 billion and stockpiled players. Do you want us to feel sorry that one of their players is injured or you want us to creme on our pants that they had quality replacements sitting on the bench? When a team can spend money like it is going out of fashion and then pay ridiculous wages, I dont think there is anything special in them having quality players in the starting line up and starting quality players sitting on the bench without complaining. In fact I think it is quite amazing that Arsenal have pushed them to this point and if you are really an Arsenal fan you would be rooting for us to keep going and push them to the very end.
well apologies for posting that piece here, I ran across the article accidentally on twitter(I think it was janusz michallik who posted it) and I believed it was relevant to what we are discussing on this thread. As for the red card, it was harsh, but I've pointed out that the big teams always get majority of these calls. The goal that was ruled out by the way was correctly ruled out, in the first place it wasn't a free kick as Danny rose was hardly touched, and adebayor was clearly offside and he was involved in play. At some point this season we would get those calls too and it would more or less even out at the end.
I wish we do get those calls, I wish one of Southampton goal was chalked off. Instead Southampton got a questionable free kick and even the goal looked like a foul on Monreal. I wish we got a penalty when we played Chelsea and had a Chelsea player sent off. Actually we should have rightly gotten a penalty and a Chelsea player should have been sent off. You see this calls do matter. if Southampton had a goal chalked off we would still be on top of the league. If Chelsea conceded a penalty and a red card, they would be 5 points behind us right now. I don't see people complaining too much about these calls because there is a belief that things even out but they really don't. The reason why people here are complaining is because of how blatant these City decisions are right now. The reason why City get away with these decisions is that they score many goals and gloss over these decisions. If Arsenal were playing Spurs and got a penalty and red card, we probably would have stopped scoring at that point. If we were playing Newcastle and they had a goal chalked off, we probably wouldn't score a second. However considering Arsenal hardly ever concede, if we have had 2-3 games with those type of decisions, we would be 4-6 points ahead of City. I don't see how it can balance out, the amount of bad decisions City would need to have or good decisions that we would need is simply too much. In fact I worry that if the linesmen are still on the payroll, they would still get more of these decisions between now and the end of the season.
This is your most ludicrous statement yet. Arsenal gets calls all the time, and so does united, Chelsea and City. As a matter of fact, the big teams always get more calls than the small teams. You have gone from attacking United for getting calls to Chelsea, then back to united and now it's city. Arsenal this season has gotten more good calls and than bad calls. These refs are imperfect, they have a split second to make decisions. The goal scored by Tots in the first half was correctly called a non-goal. Adebayor who was offside clearly influenced the play. The penalty decision was a close one. It was a rash challenge by Rose even though he touched the ball. Once again, the refs have a split second to make these decisions. Try refereeing once in your lifetime and you see how hard it is to make these instant decisions dealing with close calls. I have done it. This is the Arsenal board and not a forum to offer praise to rival teams. But it is also a football forum and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that another team is playing great like Dream did. Go on redcafe and you will ManU acknowledge the play of other teams. You sound like a simpleton when you claim that city wins solely because they catch breaks from the refs and are lucky. I agree that Wenger and Arsenal deserve credit for being this close this far in the season. However, Arsenal is a big club and Wenger has been at the club for 17 years. It was always going to take time for City, United and Chelsea to find a rhythm. City is the most talented team followed by Chelsea and Arsenal. Arsenal should compete for the title this year because Wenger had a team that wasn't in transition and he had the opportunity to bring in a capable striker and did not do so.
I remembered we did get a dubious call against Sunderland earlier in the season, that probably cost Sunderland the point. And if not for Giroud we would have scored 'the most offside' goal in the history of the EPL in another game earlier this season. When are we going to shift the focus away from attacking teams for getting help from refs to get to the top of the league, like 0893 said first it was United, then Chelsea and then Man City, who's next? Like I said big teams do get the big calls, and most often than not these calls even out after 38 games.
Lol, For the entire season all you could point to was the penalty in the 80th minute of the Sunderland game which we were leading (which was a penalty I might add) and the linesman mistake against Cardiff which was inconsequential because Giroud corrected the mistake for him. If that is all the evidence you could provide to draw a parallel with Man City dubious decisions in the last couple of months, then you have made my point for me. I rest my case..... nope I was referring to Altidore disallowed goal
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I think that Dream didn't get the memo. You are only supposed to say that City is lucky and aided by the refs. It's too early to crown them but they are scary and have so much talent. Every other team in the world who loses a player of the caliber of Aguero who has 25 goals in 24 games and they will struggle. City are not even worried. I don't think that there is a single player in Tots starting 11 who could get into City's starting 11 other than maybe Lloris. No team should be ashamed of losing to them. Their football in the first half against Spurs was breathtaking.
I find your comment kind of silly I am sorry to say. This is an Arsenal board and posting an article talking about how brilliant City are on the Arsenal board is at the very least in bad taste. Nobody wants to read that stuff here (except perhaps the closet City fans). They were aided by the linesman, I dont think that is debatable. They had a goal chalked off for being offside and a penalty and red card that never was in that game. If you are competing against a team and you see that happen 3 or 4 times during the course of the season, you have to talk about it. Now this has happened in the last two months, it think it is incredible you want us to pretend that these things never happened. I dont know what to say about your comment about Aguerro. City have spent 1 billion and stockpiled players. Do you want us to feel sorry that one of their players is injured or you want us to creme on our pants that they had quality replacements sitting on the bench? When a team can spend money like it is going out of fashion and then pay ridiculous wages, I dont think there is anything special in them having quality players in the starting line up and starting quality players sitting on the bench without complaining. In fact I think it is quite amazing that Arsenal have pushed them to this point and if you are really an Arsenal fan you would be rooting for us to keep going and push them to the very end. Excellent post. Sums up how many (most?) of us feel.
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I think that Dream didn't get the memo. You are only supposed to say that City is lucky and aided by the refs. It's too early to crown them but they are scary and have so much talent. Every other team in the world who loses a player of the caliber of Aguero who has 25 goals in 24 games and they will struggle. City are not even worried. I don't think that there is a single player in Tots starting 11 who could get into City's starting 11 other than maybe Lloris. No team should be ashamed of losing to them. Their football in the first half against Spurs was breathtaking.
I find your comment kind of silly I am sorry to say. This is an Arsenal board and posting an article talking about how brilliant City are on the Arsenal board is at the very least in bad taste. Nobody wants to read that stuff here (except perhaps the closet City fans). They were aided by the linesman, I dont think that is debatable. They had a goal chalked off for being offside and a penalty and red card that never was in that game. If you are competing against a team and you see that happen 3 or 4 times during the course of the season, you have to talk about it. Now this has happened in the last two months, it think it is incredible you want us to pretend that these things never happened. I dont know what to say about your comment about Aguerro. City have spent 1 billion and stockpiled players. Do you want us to feel sorry that one of their players is injured or you want us to creme on our pants that they had quality replacements sitting on the bench? When a team can spend money like it is going out of fashion and then pay ridiculous wages, I dont think there is anything special in them having quality players in the starting line up and starting quality players sitting on the bench without complaining. In fact I think it is quite amazing that Arsenal have pushed them to this point and if you are really an Arsenal fan you would be rooting for us to keep going and push them to the very end.
well apologies for posting that piece here, I ran across the article accidentally on twitter(I think it was janusz michallik who posted it) and I believed it was relevant to what we are discussing on this thread. As for the red card, it was harsh, but I've pointed out that the big teams always get majority of these calls. The goal that was ruled out by the way was correctly ruled out, in the first place it wasn't a free kick as Danny rose was hardly touched, and adebayor was clearly offside and he was involved in play. At some point this season we would get those calls too and it would more or less even out at the end.
I wish we do get those calls, I wish one of Southampton goal was chalked off. Instead Southampton got a questionable free kick and even the goal looked like a foul on Monreal. I wish we got a penalty when we played Chelsea and had a Chelsea player sent off. Actually we should have rightly gotten a penalty and a Chelsea player should have been sent off. You see this calls do matter. if Southampton had a goal chalked off we would still be on top of the league. If Chelsea conceded a penalty and a red card, they would be 5 points behind us right now. I don't see people complaining too much about these calls because there is a belief that things even out but they really don't. The reason why people here are complaining is because of how blatant these City decisions are right now. The reason why City get away with these decisions is that they score many goals and gloss over these decisions. If Arsenal were playing Spurs and got a penalty and red card, we probably would have stopped scoring at that point. If we were playing Newcastle and they had a goal chalked off, we probably wouldn't score a second. However considering Arsenal hardly ever concede, if we have had 2-3 games with those type of decisions, we would be 4-6 points ahead of City. I don't see how it can balance out, the amount of bad decisions City would need to have or good decisions that we would need is simply too much. In fact I worry that if the linesmen are still on the payroll, they would still get more of these decisions between now and the end of the season.
This is your most ludicrous statement yet. Arsenal gets calls all the time, and so does united, Chelsea and City. As a matter of fact, the big teams always get more calls than the small teams. You have gone from attacking United for getting calls to Chelsea, then back to united and now it's city. Arsenal this season has gotten more good calls and than bad calls. These refs are imperfect, they have a split second to make decisions. The goal scored by Tots in the first half was correctly called a non-goal. Adebayor who was offside clearly influenced the play. The penalty decision was a close one. It was a rash challenge by Rose even though he touched the ball. Once again, the refs have a split second to make these decisions. Try refereeing once in your lifetime and you see how hard it is to make these instant decisions dealing with close calls. I have done it. This is the Arsenal board and not a forum to offer praise to rival teams. But it is also a football forum and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that another team is playing great like Dream did. Go on redcafe and you will ManU acknowledge the play of other teams. You sound like a simpleton when you claim that city wins solely because they catch breaks from the refs and are lucky. I agree that Wenger and Arsenal deserve credit for being this close this far in the season. However, Arsenal is a big club and Wenger has been at the club for 17 years. It was always going to take time for City, United and Chelsea to find a rhythm. City is the most talented team followed by Chelsea and Arsenal. Arsenal should compete for the title this year because Wenger had a team that wasn't in transition and he had the opportunity to bring in a capable striker and did not do so.
I remembered we did get a dubious call against Sunderland earlier in the season, that probably cost Sunderland the point. And if not for Giroud we would have scored 'the most offside' goal in the history of the EPL in another game earlier this season. When are we going to shift the focus away from attacking teams for getting help from refs to get to the top of the league, like 0893 said first it was United, then Chelsea and then Man City, who's next? Like I said big teams do get the big calls, and most often than not these calls even out after 38 games.
Lol, For the entire season all you could point to was the penalty in the 80th minute of the Sunderland game which we were leading (which was a penalty I might add) and the linesman mistake against Cardiff which was inconsequential because Giroud corrected the mistake for him. If that is all the evidence you could provide to draw a parallel with Man City dubious decisions in the last couple of months, then you have made my point for me. I rest my case.....
nope I was referring to Altidore disallowed goal It wasn't a disallowed goal, the referee already blew his whistle while Altidore kept playing. It was a mistake from the referee not to see if an advantage would develop but he actually made a call in favor of Sunderland. It just that it would have been more favorable to not give them the advantage. Again it is still a stretch to try to draw a parallel between that an Man City, that would be false equivalency in my opinion.
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There was a time earlier this season when we couldn't get a penalty decision for us to save our lives.
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There was a time earlier this season when we couldn't get a penalty decision for us to save our lives. I am leaving Dream to actually convince me that we get decisions this season that are comparable to City and he is doing a terrible job at it. I am not even going to talk about the decisions that go against us, the first game of the season was a travesty and that was in our stadium. I wouldn't deny maybe we have gotten some good decisions but we have also gotten some very bad ones.
What burst my bubble is the idea that what we have seen is usual. The type of calls City are getting are bordering on scandalous and coincidentally it is coming from the linesmen. I never knew the linesmen had that much influence in football. If a story comes out in future that City bribed the linesmen this season, I wouldn't be surprised. That is the extent of my paranoia right now.
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There was a time earlier this season when we couldn't get a penalty decision for us to save our lives.
I am leaving Dream to actually convince me that we get decisions this season that are comparable to City and he is doing a terrible job at it. I am not even going to talk about the decisions that go against us, the first game of the season was a travesty and that was in our stadium. I wouldn't deny maybe we have gotten some good decisions but we have also gotten some very bad ones. What burst my bubble is the idea that what we have seen is usual. The type of calls City are getting are bordering on scandalous and coincidentally it is coming from the linesmen. I never knew the linesmen had that much influence in football. If a story comes out in future that City bribed the linesmen this season, I wouldn't be surprised. That is the extent of my paranoia right now. lol, I remember you said the same about United. The thing is City too get these calls against them, but they go on to win in spite of these calls, no one would mention it because they won anyway. It's funny people are complaining that we don't get PKs how many times have we gotten ourselves into positions were the ref could give us a PK?? We've got some calls in our favour this season too albeit not as much as city, what I said was that 'in the end'(at the end of the season not in January) more often than not these decisions even themselves out, let's wait until the end of the season before we complain about not getting the decisions.
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