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Jan 31 2014, 04:03 PM
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Phato, I know you hate City but some of your comments are ridiculous.
If his statements are "ridiculous." quote some of them and tear them apart. Otherwise, you're the one that appears "ridiculous."
Example 1) "there's nothing special about city" that quote was after the 6-3 win over Arsenal. Let me know if you want no 2.
Hey momo, I was asking yer pal to flex his knowledge muscles when he decides to call someone ridiculous. You generally submit something to back up your statements, though just as often as not, what you submit is "ridiculous."
How about the fact that my statement was aimed at Phato and not at you.
Momo number two. It's a public forum. If you want to have private communication, I would suggest email or the US Postal Service.
so why then do you have a problem with me submitting some evidence on a public forum. Momo
BAZINGA !! Haven't been posting as much recently but when I do read on here its apparent that JODB has just got the hots for Pizzy, Chilly & 0893 big time , he is stalking them like a crazed lunatic. I think he sees himself as the local board vigilante. Seriously JODB, time to step down
Reach around time at the O.K. Corral. Troll and twat. Do you really think your constant stalking & insult throwing is appreciated on here ? If you do then you are not as intelligent as I give you credit for . For instance, your childish, pathetic call out thread for chilly, I would expect that from a teenager, not a guy close to retirement age
I am only trying to help you here
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Jan 31 2014, 04:06 PM
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I think this thing would drag on forever. Let's put it to bed for now and hope that from here on till the end of the season, we would see some sane officiating when City play. By the way Danny Rose red card has been rescinded by the FA. I just wonder what the linesman saw, he was perfectly positioned, there was no player blocking his vision and it happened on his side of the pitch.
Did you see any rationale behind the decision? Did they determine there was no foul or just that the goal scoring opportunity was not sufficiently obvious to warrant a send off?
The FA statement read: "Danny Rose's one-match suspension has been withdrawn with immediate effect after the Tottenham player's wrongful dismissal claim was upheld by an Independent Regulatory Commission. Rose was dismissed in Tottenham's game against Manchester City on Wednesday for denying a goalscoring opportunity.'' I would guess the reason why it was rescinded was because it was never a foul. If it was a foul, then it is a sending off offense because it was a goal scoring opportunity. Danny Rose clearly got the ball from the side and made minimal contact with the player. I just wonder what the FA is doing to these guys making these massive mistakes. I am surprised the red has been rescinded. Whilst I don't think it deserved a red card & PK, I still feel it was a challenge from behind & therefore illegal & it warranted a PK IMO. Unusual step from the FA in this instance
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Jan 31 2014, 04:07 PM
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I think this thing would drag on forever. Let's put it to bed for now and hope that from here on till the end of the season, we would see some sane officiating when City play. By the way Danny Rose red card has been rescinded by the FA. I just wonder what the linesman saw, he was perfectly positioned, there was no player blocking his vision and it happened on his side of the pitch.
Did you see any rationale behind the decision? Did they determine there was no foul or just that the goal scoring opportunity was not sufficiently obvious to warrant a send off?
The FA statement read: "Danny Rose's one-match suspension has been withdrawn with immediate effect after the Tottenham player's wrongful dismissal claim was upheld by an Independent Regulatory Commission. Rose was dismissed in Tottenham's game against Manchester City on Wednesday for denying a goalscoring opportunity.'' I would guess the reason why it was rescinded was because it was never a foul. If it was a foul, then it is a sending off offense because it was a goal scoring opportunity. Danny Rose clearly got the ball from the side and made minimal contact with the player. I just wonder what the FA is doing to these guys making these massive mistakes.
When I first saw the tackle, I thought it was a penalty to be fair but was surprised when the referee gave a corner. However when I watched the highlight, it was clear Rose played the ball and if there was any contact, it was with Dzeko's upper body because the tackle below was perfect. http://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dm_Z-jg8A9yA&h=0AQFfgbd7&s=1 Good angle on that one, and that's the speed needed to see that a corner kick would have been correct. It looked to me during the game that while Rose got the ball first, he carried on into Dzeko's legs from behind, thus creating the foul. Seeing it now, Dzeko simply took the opportunity to crumple to the ground and leave the mess up to the referees to sort out.
Marriner's positioning might not have been ideal, and you can see him start to wheel off to the right after the incident, apparently preparing to give a corner kick signal. Then he gets the call from his assistant. That AR better have had an awfully good story to tell!
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phatosas
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Jan 31 2014, 04:10 PM
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I think this thing would drag on forever. Let's put it to bed for now and hope that from here on till the end of the season, we would see some sane officiating when City play. By the way Danny Rose red card has been rescinded by the FA. I just wonder what the linesman saw, he was perfectly positioned, there was no player blocking his vision and it happened on his side of the pitch.
Did you see any rationale behind the decision? Did they determine there was no foul or just that the goal scoring opportunity was not sufficiently obvious to warrant a send off?
The FA statement read: "Danny Rose's one-match suspension has been withdrawn with immediate effect after the Tottenham player's wrongful dismissal claim was upheld by an Independent Regulatory Commission. Rose was dismissed in Tottenham's game against Manchester City on Wednesday for denying a goalscoring opportunity.'' I would guess the reason why it was rescinded was because it was never a foul. If it was a foul, then it is a sending off offense because it was a goal scoring opportunity. Danny Rose clearly got the ball from the side and made minimal contact with the player. I just wonder what the FA is doing to these guys making these massive mistakes.
Thanks. This is interesting. Thing is, I thought it was a foul even after seeing a replay! I wonder what convinced the FA otherwise. I'm sure they had multiple looks. I'm guessing the assistant may have to answer for something, although why Marriner accepted his call after having seen the incident (clearly and accurately, as it turns out) also requires further explanation. Of course, we'll never get it. I don't know why the FA does not give more details in a situation like this. It's a chance to educate the fans (not to mention the players). It's not like we don't already know the referees are human, and overturning a decision made in the game underscores the fact they make mistakes. Why not let us all in on the "secret"? Looking at the replay again, I see there was some contact with the back of Djeko's leg before he made contact with the ball. However I think tackles in football are never 100 percent clean, there has to be some contact with the player. The thing is the contact he made with Dzeko's trailing leg while going for the ball didn't affect the actual play. He didn't go though Dzeko to get the ball and it was just incidental contact. I would say 90% of those type of scissors tackles from the side would involve some type of contact with the trailing leg. It was in one motion and as long as he made contact with the ball, I don't think it was a foul.
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Jan 31 2014, 04:10 PM
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I think this thing would drag on forever. Let's put it to bed for now and hope that from here on till the end of the season, we would see some sane officiating when City play. By the way Danny Rose red card has been rescinded by the FA. I just wonder what the linesman saw, he was perfectly positioned, there was no player blocking his vision and it happened on his side of the pitch.
Did you see any rationale behind the decision? Did they determine there was no foul or just that the goal scoring opportunity was not sufficiently obvious to warrant a send off?
The FA statement read: "Danny Rose's one-match suspension has been withdrawn with immediate effect after the Tottenham player's wrongful dismissal claim was upheld by an Independent Regulatory Commission. Rose was dismissed in Tottenham's game against Manchester City on Wednesday for denying a goalscoring opportunity.'' I would guess the reason why it was rescinded was because it was never a foul. If it was a foul, then it is a sending off offense because it was a goal scoring opportunity. Danny Rose clearly got the ball from the side and made minimal contact with the player. I just wonder what the FA is doing to these guys making these massive mistakes.
I am surprised the red has been rescinded. Whilst I don't think it deserved a red card & PK, I still feel it was a challenge from behind & therefore illegal & it warranted a PK IMO. Unusual step from the FA in this instance There is nothing in the Laws prohibiting a tackle from behind. It's just that it is so difficult to execute one fairly we only rarely see someone able to pull off what Rose did.
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Jan 31 2014, 04:12 PM
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I think this thing would drag on forever. Let's put it to bed for now and hope that from here on till the end of the season, we would see some sane officiating when City play. By the way Danny Rose red card has been rescinded by the FA. I just wonder what the linesman saw, he was perfectly positioned, there was no player blocking his vision and it happened on his side of the pitch.
Did you see any rationale behind the decision? Did they determine there was no foul or just that the goal scoring opportunity was not sufficiently obvious to warrant a send off?
The FA statement read: "Danny Rose's one-match suspension has been withdrawn with immediate effect after the Tottenham player's wrongful dismissal claim was upheld by an Independent Regulatory Commission. Rose was dismissed in Tottenham's game against Manchester City on Wednesday for denying a goalscoring opportunity.'' I would guess the reason why it was rescinded was because it was never a foul. If it was a foul, then it is a sending off offense because it was a goal scoring opportunity. Danny Rose clearly got the ball from the side and made minimal contact with the player. I just wonder what the FA is doing to these guys making these massive mistakes.
Thanks. This is interesting. Thing is, I thought it was a foul even after seeing a replay! I wonder what convinced the FA otherwise. I'm sure they had multiple looks. I'm guessing the assistant may have to answer for something, although why Marriner accepted his call after having seen the incident (clearly and accurately, as it turns out) also requires further explanation. Of course, we'll never get it. I don't know why the FA does not give more details in a situation like this. It's a chance to educate the fans (not to mention the players). It's not like we don't already know the referees are human, and overturning a decision made in the game underscores the fact they make mistakes. Why not let us all in on the "secret"?
Looking at the replay again, I see there was some contact with the back of Djeko's leg before he made contact with the ball. However I think tackles in football are never 100 percent clean, there has to be some contact with the player. The thing is the contact he made with Dzeko's trailing leg while going for the ball didn't affect the actual play. He didn't go though Dzeko to get the ball and it was just incidental contact. I would say 90% of those type of sciccors tackles from the side would involve some type of contact with the trailing leg. It was in one motion and as long as he made contact with the ball, I don't think it was a foul. Wait a minute... are we exchanging positions on this now?!
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Jan 31 2014, 04:16 PM
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I think this thing would drag on forever. Let's put it to bed for now and hope that from here on till the end of the season, we would see some sane officiating when City play. By the way Danny Rose red card has been rescinded by the FA. I just wonder what the linesman saw, he was perfectly positioned, there was no player blocking his vision and it happened on his side of the pitch.
Did you see any rationale behind the decision? Did they determine there was no foul or just that the goal scoring opportunity was not sufficiently obvious to warrant a send off?
The FA statement read: "Danny Rose's one-match suspension has been withdrawn with immediate effect after the Tottenham player's wrongful dismissal claim was upheld by an Independent Regulatory Commission. Rose was dismissed in Tottenham's game against Manchester City on Wednesday for denying a goalscoring opportunity.'' I would guess the reason why it was rescinded was because it was never a foul. If it was a foul, then it is a sending off offense because it was a goal scoring opportunity. Danny Rose clearly got the ball from the side and made minimal contact with the player. I just wonder what the FA is doing to these guys making these massive mistakes.
I am surprised the red has been rescinded. Whilst I don't think it deserved a red card & PK, I still feel it was a challenge from behind & therefore illegal & it warranted a PK IMO. Unusual step from the FA in this instance While Rose was behind him, I would t necessary call it a tackle from behind because Rose took the ball from the side. I think it is a very complex decision and probably not as open and shut case as I initially thought. The thing is the premier league panel must have looked at that foul from many angles, probably consulted the match officials and deemed it not to be a foul and therefore not a sending off offense.
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Jan 31 2014, 04:22 PM
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I think this thing would drag on forever. Let's put it to bed for now and hope that from here on till the end of the season, we would see some sane officiating when City play. By the way Danny Rose red card has been rescinded by the FA. I just wonder what the linesman saw, he was perfectly positioned, there was no player blocking his vision and it happened on his side of the pitch.
Did you see any rationale behind the decision? Did they determine there was no foul or just that the goal scoring opportunity was not sufficiently obvious to warrant a send off?
The FA statement read: "Danny Rose's one-match suspension has been withdrawn with immediate effect after the Tottenham player's wrongful dismissal claim was upheld by an Independent Regulatory Commission. Rose was dismissed in Tottenham's game against Manchester City on Wednesday for denying a goalscoring opportunity.'' I would guess the reason why it was rescinded was because it was never a foul. If it was a foul, then it is a sending off offense because it was a goal scoring opportunity. Danny Rose clearly got the ball from the side and made minimal contact with the player. I just wonder what the FA is doing to these guys making these massive mistakes.
Thanks. This is interesting. Thing is, I thought it was a foul even after seeing a replay! I wonder what convinced the FA otherwise. I'm sure they had multiple looks. I'm guessing the assistant may have to answer for something, although why Marriner accepted his call after having seen the incident (clearly and accurately, as it turns out) also requires further explanation. Of course, we'll never get it. I don't know why the FA does not give more details in a situation like this. It's a chance to educate the fans (not to mention the players). It's not like we don't already know the referees are human, and overturning a decision made in the game underscores the fact they make mistakes. Why not let us all in on the "secret"?
Looking at the replay again, I see there was some contact with the back of Djeko's leg before he made contact with the ball. However I think tackles in football are never 100 percent clean, there has to be some contact with the player. The thing is the contact he made with Dzeko's trailing leg while going for the ball didn't affect the actual play. He didn't go though Dzeko to get the ball and it was just incidental contact. I would say 90% of those type of sciccors tackles from the side would involve some type of contact with the trailing leg. It was in one motion and as long as he made contact with the ball, I don't think it was a foul.
Wait a minute... are we exchanging positions on this now?! I am not so sure anymore. I would say in slow-mo it looks like a full second but if that was actual time it happened all at once. I still doubt the penalty was given for that contact, I just assume the linesman didn't see the contact with the ball because it was minimal. I guarantee if Rose made proper contact with the ball and changed the direction of the ball forcing it into a throwing, there is no way they would give a foul simply because he made some contact with his trailing leg. That would be hailed as a brilliant last ditch tackle.
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Jan 31 2014, 04:30 PM
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Phato, I know you hate City but some of your comments are ridiculous.
If his statements are "ridiculous." quote some of them and tear them apart. Otherwise, you're the one that appears "ridiculous."
Example 1) "there's nothing special about city" that quote was after the 6-3 win over Arsenal. Let me know if you want no 2.
Hey momo, I was asking yer pal to flex his knowledge muscles when he decides to call someone ridiculous. You generally submit something to back up your statements, though just as often as not, what you submit is "ridiculous."
How about the fact that my statement was aimed at Phato and not at you.
Momo number two. It's a public forum. If you want to have private communication, I would suggest email or the US Postal Service.
so why then do you have a problem with me submitting some evidence on a public forum. Momo
BAZINGA !! Haven't been posting as much recently but when I do read on here its apparent that JODB has just got the hots for Pizzy, Chilly & 0893 big time , he is stalking them like a crazed lunatic. I think he sees himself as the local board vigilante. Seriously JODB, time to step down
Reach around time at the O.K. Corral. Troll and twat.
Do you really think your constant stalking & insult throwing is appreciated on here ? If you do then you are not as intelligent as I give you credit for . For instance, your childish, pathetic call out thread for chilly, I would expect that from a teenager, not a guy close to retirement age I am only trying to help you here Allow me to embrace the spirit of your post at face value.
What precipitated the thread dedicated to scrapping with chilly willy was his reluctance to take his foul insults towards me away from the threads that our back and forths were ruining. He refused to go the personal message route and insisted that I take my beating from him in public. So I obliged, but in the interest of giving football threads back to those wishing to discuss football, I took the fight to another location where no one else would have to run into it - unless they really wanted to.
I'm sure that any self-loathing United supporters who piss on the club at every chance get their fair share of abuse on Man U forums. When and only when piz, chilly and 0893 do so here do I strike. I don't troll them nor do I assail every post they make.
You might be a troll, or at least a self-confessed wind-up artist, but I know that you are as loyal to United as I am to The Arsenal. Those other three fellas are spoiled brats suffering from billionaire envy.
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