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JustOneDennisBergkamp
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Feb 3 2014, 04:17 PM
dsch15
Feb 3 2014, 03:59 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 03:51 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 03:40 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 03:37 PM
cruyff_turn
Feb 3 2014, 03:34 PM
Still mystifies me that Demichelis gets minutes for City.
If not for Fernandinho being hurt, he wouldn't be getting minutes.
What happened to the so called depth?
direct that to DSCH and co, who keeps arguing city have a deeper squad than Arsenal
Can't speak for "co", but what dsch has been arguing is that City's squad is no less deep than Arsenal's. They have comparable depth at fullback, are shorter at CB and in the center of midfield than Arsenal, comparable in the wide areas of midfield and attack, and well ahead of us in the forward positions. You, I believe, were insisting Arsenal is much deeper than City. It's a pretty close call.
DSCH I can't believe you are still saying this it's not close at all,

*City have 3 CM,Arsenal has 4: yaya,garcia and fernadinho I wouldn't include Rodwell because that would mean I would have to include kallstrom who took frimpong's place and then Diaby. Ramsey,Wilshere,Arteta and Flamini

*City have 4 AM/wingers: Navas,Milner,Nasri and Silva, Arsenal have SEVEN Rosicky,Oxlade,Walcott,Ozil,Gnabry,Podolski,Cazorla
*City have 4 CBs Demichelis?? Kompany,Nastasic and Lescott, Arsenal have 3, Per,Koscieny and Vermalaen
*4 fullbacks on both teams: city Clichy,Zabaleta,Richards and Kolarov ArsenalMonreal,Gibbs,Jekinson and Sagna
*Strikers City have 4, Arsenal have 3. Do the maths.
Come on DSCH, just acknowledge that Arsenal's squad is every bit as good and deep as City's, and only the managerial incompetence of one Arsenae Wenger has kept the Gunners from being way ahead a the top of the table at this point.

Just about sum it up for you, piz?
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Feb 3 2014, 04:48 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 04:46 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 04:45 PM
That was a red card in my opinion
big time.
Textbook yellow for a tactical foul. Too far from goal to be an obvious scoring opportunity.
not sure but i thot he was last man. if he was then it should b pure red.
"Last man" (i.e., the number of defenders) is only part of the equation. There are at least three other factors the referee is required to consider:

- Distance from the ball
- Direction of the player
- Distance from the goal

That play had three out of the four, hence yellow and not red.
I think it is open to interpretation whether that was DOGSO but in my opinion there isn't a clearer goal scoring chance than that and the tackle was very cynical. In Spain or Italy, that is a clear red card.
I think it was the right decision, I'm seeing the distance to goal rule too mentioned by few journalists on twitter, if a red card was given then that would be a misinterpretation.
The Laws are always open to interpretation. There is an argument for red here, but I would want a more clear cut case before dismissing a player. Dean got this one right.
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Feb 3 2014, 05:03 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 03:37 PM
cruyff_turn
Feb 3 2014, 03:34 PM
Still mystifies me that Demichelis gets minutes for City.
If not for Fernandinho being hurt, he wouldn't be getting minutes.
What happened to the so called depth?
direct that to DSCH and co, who keeps arguing city have a deeper squad than Arsenal
Can't speak for "co", but what dsch has been arguing is that City's squad is no less deep than Arsenal's. They have comparable depth at fullback, are shorter at CB and in the center of midfield than Arsenal, comparable in the wide areas of midfield and attack, and well ahead of us in the forward positions. You, I believe, were insisting Arsenal is much deeper than City. It's a pretty close call.
DSCH I can't believe you are still saying this it's not close at all,

*City have 3 CM,Arsenal has 4: yaya,garcia and fernadinho I wouldn't include Rodwell because that would mean I would have to include kallstrom who took frimpong's place and then Diaby. Ramsey,Wilshere,Arteta and Flamini

*City have 4 AM/wingers: Navas,Milner,Nasri and Silva, Arsenal have SEVEN Rosicky,Oxlade,Walcott,Ozil,Gnabry,Podolski,Cazorla
*City have 4 CBs Demichelis?? Kompany,Nastasic and Lescott, Arsenal have 3, Per,Koscieny and Vermalaen
*4 fullbacks on both teams: city Clichy,Zabaleta,Richards and Kolarov ArsenalMonreal,Gibbs,Jekinson and Sagna
*Strikers City have 4, Arsenal have 3. Do the maths.
Come on DSCH, just acknowledge that Arsenal's squad is every bit as good and deep as City's, and only the managerial incompetence of one Arsenae Wenger has kept the Gunners from being way ahead a the top of the table at this point.

Just about sum it up for you, piz?
actually Arsenal squad is just not as deep as city it is deeper, and we should be at least six points if not eight ahead of them.
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thinking wenger should send special one bottle of bubbly.lol
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This was an enthralling game for a low scoring game with a lot of defensive tactics.

First of all has man city's midfield got any plan B? Mourinho (while I can't stand the man) has sent out an instruction video on how to stop them. Yaya Touré takes no responsibility in defending (mark down for future discussion on why Busquets is a more complete player). They did lack Fernandinho, but if you are managing a squad you have to expect to be without big name players. As it turn out he is their talisman. And when you bypass city's midfield you are faced by one strong defender and three nervous guys who panic when he occasionally gets caught out of position.

Looking at the game Chelsea might have won 0-3 but they were so focused on their plan to first flood and then isolate Touré and Dimichaelis with Luiz and Matic that it hardly mattered. Hazard looked great tonight at he collected the possession of the man city rubble again and again. The poor city defenders almost deserve sympathy as they faced breaks again and again.
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And just add something else. If City play 4-4-2 against Barcelona they are going to get murdered.
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Feb 3 2014, 05:12 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 03:59 PM
dream_team
Feb 3 2014, 03:51 PM
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Feb 3 2014, 03:40 PM
jays712
Feb 3 2014, 03:37 PM
cruyff_turn
Feb 3 2014, 03:34 PM
Still mystifies me that Demichelis gets minutes for City.
If not for Fernandinho being hurt, he wouldn't be getting minutes.
What happened to the so called depth?
direct that to DSCH and co, who keeps arguing city have a deeper squad than Arsenal
Can't speak for "co", but what dsch has been arguing is that City's squad is no less deep than Arsenal's. They have comparable depth at fullback, are shorter at CB and in the center of midfield than Arsenal, comparable in the wide areas of midfield and attack, and well ahead of us in the forward positions. You, I believe, were insisting Arsenal is much deeper than City. It's a pretty close call.
DSCH I can't believe you are still saying this it's not close at all,

*City have 3 CM,Arsenal has 4: yaya,garcia and fernadinho I wouldn't include Rodwell because that would mean I would have to include kallstrom who took frimpong's place and then Diaby. Ramsey,Wilshere,Arteta and Flamini

*City have 4 AM/wingers: Navas,Milner,Nasri and Silva, Arsenal have SEVEN Rosicky,Oxlade,Walcott,Ozil,Gnabry,Podolski,Cazorla
*City have 4 CBs Demichelis?? Kompany,Nastasic and Lescott, Arsenal have 3, Per,Koscieny and Vermalaen
*4 fullbacks on both teams: city Clichy,Zabaleta,Richards and Kolarov ArsenalMonreal,Gibbs,Jekinson and Sagna
*Strikers City have 4, Arsenal have 3. Do the maths.
Come on DSCH, just acknowledge that Arsenal's squad is every bit as good and deep as City's, and only the managerial incompetence of one Arsenae Wenger has kept the Gunners from being way ahead a the top of the table at this point.

Just about sum it up for you, piz?
actually Arsenal squad is just not as deep as city it is deeper, and we should be at least six points if not eight ahead of them.
LOL! Now if you really want to hear some laughter, try floating your theory here on some other football related forums. As your silly claim goes viral, we might be able to actually hear the chuckling of an entire planet.

That multi-year stiff must somehow building up pressure on that fragile little brain of yours. See a doctor please.
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Given Pizz's immense respect for the quality and depth of Arsenal's squad this year, you'd think he'd give Wenger a little credit for putting a quality side together on (comparatively) meager resources.
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Feb 3 2014, 06:02 PM
This was an enthralling game for a low scoring game with a lot of defensive tactics.

First of all has man city's midfield got any plan B? Mourinho (while I can't stand the man) has sent out an instruction video on how to stop them. Yaya Touré takes no responsibility in defending (mark down for future discussion on why Busquets is a more complete player). They did lack Fernandinho, but if you are managing a squad you have to expect to be without big name players. As it turn out he is their talisman. And when you bypass city's midfield you are faced by one strong defender and three nervous guys who panic when he occasionally gets caught out of position.

Looking at the game Chelsea might have won 0-3 but they were so focused on their plan to first flood and then isolate Touré and Dimichaelis with Luiz and Matic that it hardly mattered. Hazard looked great tonight at he collected the possession of the man city rubble again and again. The poor city defenders almost deserve sympathy as they faced breaks again and again.
Yaya can provide more on offense than Busquets, while Busquets can provide more in a defensive role. It seems like Yaya has taken a step backwards defensively the last couple of seasons. I don't even remember him coming this much forward, pretty much abandoning any defensive role at all.
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Feb 3 2014, 06:37 PM
Given Pizz's immense respect for the quality and depth of Arsenal's squad this year, you'd think he'd give Wenger a little credit for putting a quality side together on (comparatively) meager resources.
Seems a bit of a contradiction on his part don't it?
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