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A Mourinho Masterclass
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Topic Started: Feb 4 2014, 07:41 AM (780 Views)
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Feb 4 2014, 11:13 PM
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If I relied only on reports here I'd think Chelsea won by four or five goals yesterday and that City's season is now in tatters. Chelsea could well have had more than the one they got, but City had good chances themselves, especially in the early going, and the match was close throughout.
Credit to Mourinho and his men for going into the lion's den and coming out winners. But the piling on here about how Chelsea exposed City's weaknesses ignores the fact that in many ways, City is an ideal opponent for Chelsea. Mourinho is accustomed (and prefers) to sit back with a strong and disciplined defense and exploit openings and City is only too happy to bomb forward in numbers, thereby leaving those openings. They're an irresistible force against a lesser (or less well organized) defense, but Chelsea have both the mental and physical strength to slow them down and the speed and guile to open them up on the counter. I'm not at all surprised at the result.
Great game, but it was only one game. City are still one result from the top and will be in the hunt for the duration.
I dont think it is without reason. When you hit the post 3 times, you are more than right to feel you could have won by more. Man City also looked completely in tatters whenever Chelsea broke with the ball. When Arsenal played City, I was blown away by the amount of space and time we had on the ball when we broke forward and we did have the ball in the back of the net 5 times even though we had goals unfairly disallowed a couple of times. I feel like City got away with one when they faced Arsenal and this game gives me the confidence that we can do them. If we can do a better job like Chelsea defensively, we could really exploit the time and space we have at the other end. In any case until we meet at the Emirates, then we can put things right. In the mean time I am sure other coaches in the League must be looking at what Chelsea did and think, well we could replicate this...
First of all we didn't get two goals which were 'wrongly' disallowed, I only remember one which was close you keep insisting they got away with one how? what did we do with the amount of space we had though? we just simply gave it back to them? when Chelsea got the ball yesterday they break away in numbers, we do not do that at Arsenal.
Then piss off and support Chelsea. Pathetic SLG.
"SLG?" What does that stand for and who are the members? Self-loathing Gooners. Aren't thinking of joining, are you?
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Feb 5 2014, 04:17 AM
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If I relied only on reports here I'd think Chelsea won by four or five goals yesterday and that City's season is now in tatters. Chelsea could well have had more than the one they got, but City had good chances themselves, especially in the early going, and the match was close throughout.
Credit to Mourinho and his men for going into the lion's den and coming out winners. But the piling on here about how Chelsea exposed City's weaknesses ignores the fact that in many ways, City is an ideal opponent for Chelsea. Mourinho is accustomed (and prefers) to sit back with a strong and disciplined defense and exploit openings and City is only too happy to bomb forward in numbers, thereby leaving those openings. They're an irresistible force against a lesser (or less well organized) defense, but Chelsea have both the mental and physical strength to slow them down and the speed and guile to open them up on the counter. I'm not at all surprised at the result.
Great game, but it was only one game. City are still one result from the top and will be in the hunt for the duration.
I dont think it is without reason. When you hit the post 3 times, you are more than right to feel you could have won by more. Man City also looked completely in tatters whenever Chelsea broke with the ball. When Arsenal played City, I was blown away by the amount of space and time we had on the ball when we broke forward and we did have the ball in the back of the net 5 times even though we had goals unfairly disallowed a couple of times. I feel like City got away with one when they faced Arsenal and this game gives me the confidence that we can do them. If we can do a better job like Chelsea defensively, we could really exploit the time and space we have at the other end. In any case until we meet at the Emirates, then we can put things right. In the mean time I am sure other coaches in the League must be looking at what Chelsea did and think, well we could replicate this...
First of all we didn't get two goals which were 'wrongly' disallowed, I only remember one which was close you keep insisting they got away with one how? what did we do with the amount of space we had though? we just simply gave it back to them? when Chelsea got the ball yesterday they break away in numbers, we do not do that at Arsenal.
Giroud had the ball in the back of the net as well as Bendtner. Zabelata used his hand to block a brilliant through pass towards Walcott that should have been a stonewall penalty. On the other end they got a penalty that was dubious with Milner dragging his leg. In any case Arsenal scored 2 more goals than Chelsea and so I would say we actually did more with the amount of time and space we had. It is at the other end that we completely collapsed in our worst defensive display in over a year. I don't think Chelsea did anything special going forward, Theo Walcott had as good a game as Hazard against City. What was impressive was Chelsea's ability to stop City. They also didn't have to play a difficult game away in Italy with 10 men for at least half an hour and then go on the road to City 3 days later. I am sure that helps.
First of all let's dismiss that excuse of the 'difficult' away game we played in Napoli (Arteta was dismissed in the 77th minute by the way), every team can give excuses for a loss, City certainly could have given a lot of excuses for yesterday game, including having key players out and playing a lot of games in January. Anyway City shouldn't give an excuse and we shouldn't give an excuse for our loss at the Etihad. I don't know which game you watched but that penalty was anything but dubious, do you have a video of the Giroud goal?, because I can't recall him scoring a legitimate goal in that game. City were deserved winners that day, and can't even understand how anyone would dispute that.
That was exactly the excuse the City coach gave after the game that they had injuries. He also said he didnt believe the best team won today. In any case there is no need debating about the past, what has happened has happened. I felt like yesterday's game was what I have been saying about City for a while and finally somebody exploited their weaknesses. Arsenal would have their own chance too to do City when they come to the Emirates. I hope then you wouldnt say that Mourinho taught Wenger how to beat City if Arsenal win. Well I initially thought they shouldn't give an excuse but when I actually took a close look at their injury list then I understood where pellegrini was coming from. Nasri Aguero Fenandinho Garcia all injured Milner not 100%fit, Rodwell still not 100% fit, and Negredo not 100% fit, even Jovetic who came on has been out for most of the season, this wouldn't have been a valid excuse if Chelsea had injury problems of their own but as it happens only Torres is carrying an injury at Chelsea. It's funny that your 'prediction' only came to pass when City had 10 players carrying some sort of injury. I can't wait for you to say they got 'thrashed' by barca even if the scoreline was 1-nil, and city are still missing a lot of players.
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Feb 5 2014, 07:10 AM
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If I relied only on reports here I'd think Chelsea won by four or five goals yesterday and that City's season is now in tatters. Chelsea could well have had more than the one they got, but City had good chances themselves, especially in the early going, and the match was close throughout.
Credit to Mourinho and his men for going into the lion's den and coming out winners. But the piling on here about how Chelsea exposed City's weaknesses ignores the fact that in many ways, City is an ideal opponent for Chelsea. Mourinho is accustomed (and prefers) to sit back with a strong and disciplined defense and exploit openings and City is only too happy to bomb forward in numbers, thereby leaving those openings. They're an irresistible force against a lesser (or less well organized) defense, but Chelsea have both the mental and physical strength to slow them down and the speed and guile to open them up on the counter. I'm not at all surprised at the result.
Great game, but it was only one game. City are still one result from the top and will be in the hunt for the duration.
I dont think it is without reason. When you hit the post 3 times, you are more than right to feel you could have won by more. Man City also looked completely in tatters whenever Chelsea broke with the ball. When Arsenal played City, I was blown away by the amount of space and time we had on the ball when we broke forward and we did have the ball in the back of the net 5 times even though we had goals unfairly disallowed a couple of times. I feel like City got away with one when they faced Arsenal and this game gives me the confidence that we can do them. If we can do a better job like Chelsea defensively, we could really exploit the time and space we have at the other end. In any case until we meet at the Emirates, then we can put things right. In the mean time I am sure other coaches in the League must be looking at what Chelsea did and think, well we could replicate this...
First of all we didn't get two goals which were 'wrongly' disallowed, I only remember one which was close you keep insisting they got away with one how? what did we do with the amount of space we had though? we just simply gave it back to them? when Chelsea got the ball yesterday they break away in numbers, we do not do that at Arsenal.
Giroud had the ball in the back of the net as well as Bendtner. Zabelata used his hand to block a brilliant through pass towards Walcott that should have been a stonewall penalty. On the other end they got a penalty that was dubious with Milner dragging his leg. In any case Arsenal scored 2 more goals than Chelsea and so I would say we actually did more with the amount of time and space we had. It is at the other end that we completely collapsed in our worst defensive display in over a year. I don't think Chelsea did anything special going forward, Theo Walcott had as good a game as Hazard against City. What was impressive was Chelsea's ability to stop City. They also didn't have to play a difficult game away in Italy with 10 men for at least half an hour and then go on the road to City 3 days later. I am sure that helps.
First of all let's dismiss that excuse of the 'difficult' away game we played in Napoli (Arteta was dismissed in the 77th minute by the way), every team can give excuses for a loss, City certainly could have given a lot of excuses for yesterday game, including having key players out and playing a lot of games in January. Anyway City shouldn't give an excuse and we shouldn't give an excuse for our loss at the Etihad. I don't know which game you watched but that penalty was anything but dubious, do you have a video of the Giroud goal?, because I can't recall him scoring a legitimate goal in that game. City were deserved winners that day, and can't even understand how anyone would dispute that.
That was exactly the excuse the City coach gave after the game that they had injuries. He also said he didnt believe the best team won today. In any case there is no need debating about the past, what has happened has happened. I felt like yesterday's game was what I have been saying about City for a while and finally somebody exploited their weaknesses. Arsenal would have their own chance too to do City when they come to the Emirates. I hope then you wouldnt say that Mourinho taught Wenger how to beat City if Arsenal win.
Well I initially thought they shouldn't give an excuse but when I actually took a close look at their injury list then I understood where pellegrini was coming from. Nasri Aguero Fenandinho Garcia all injured Milner not 100%fit, Rodwell still not 100% fit, and Negredo not 100% fit, even Jovetic who came on has been out for most of the season, this wouldn't have been a valid excuse if Chelsea had injury problems of their own but as it happens only Torres is carrying an injury at Chelsea. It's funny that your 'prediction' only came to pass when City had 10 players carrying some sort of injury. I can't wait for you to say they got 'thrashed' by barca even if the scoreline was 1-nil, and city are still missing a lot of players. Rubbish,
We have injuries is no excuse especially when you assemble a team with one billion pounds, you have no excuse. If you decide to put all your investment into strikers then you should not complain if you lose a midfielder or two and have to play a defender in midfield. I dont understand why there is so much double standard from some of you anyway. Arsenal have had just as many injuries as City this season if not more. We lost our best player this season Ramsey and lost our most productive player Walcott. We have had injuries to everyone at points this season and even Giroud had to miss a couple of weeks. This is the first time that City have really had a mini injury crisis. In any case they virtually play Fernadinho and Yaya in every game yet they expect to somehow win all 4 trophies. I think this is just the begining, I expect them to even have more injuries as they keep on flogging these players.
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Feb 5 2014, 09:19 AM
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Just the title of this thread aggravates me. Go ball wash Jose on a Chelsea board.
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Feb 5 2014, 12:34 PM
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Just the title of this thread aggravates me. Go ball wash Jose on a Chelsea board. A big +1.
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I like Mourinho but I hate the Mourinho circle-jerk that surrounds him, especially when Chelsea win a big game.
I think the way Mourinho set his team up well. If you look closely it wasn't very different to how he set up against Arsenal. He kept Oscar on the bench and played with just 3 attacking players.
The idea was to defend deep and counter attack with pace and in numbers. Against Arsenal it didn't work, against City it worked really well. Mainly because City always leave themselves open to that approach, and especially without Fernandinho and especially playing 442 they didn't have enough defensive solidity.
Pellegrini got his tactics completely wrong. It was pure hubris from him to play the way he did. Demichellis in midfield was always going to be a disaster. It really exposed not only their lack of depth but the problem with their overall tactics. You can't go into every game expecting to outscore your opponents.
Toure and Silva were lazy defensively, as they always are, and Yaya was neutralized by Matic. A poor game from both of them but Pellegrini's tactics didn't help. Compare them to Chelsea's hardworking attackers like Eto'o, Willian, Hazard who did their job at both ends.
Overall this completely changes the perception of the title race. Suddenly Man City are vulnerable, with trips to the Emirates and Old Trafford yet to come, and Chelsea suddenly look very very good going into an easier schedule than both of the top 2.
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Feb 5 2014, 12:42 PM
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If I relied only on reports here I'd think Chelsea won by four or five goals yesterday and that City's season is now in tatters. Chelsea could well have had more than the one they got, but City had good chances themselves, especially in the early going, and the match was close throughout.
Credit to Mourinho and his men for going into the lion's den and coming out winners. But the piling on here about how Chelsea exposed City's weaknesses ignores the fact that in many ways, City is an ideal opponent for Chelsea. Mourinho is accustomed (and prefers) to sit back with a strong and disciplined defense and exploit openings and City is only too happy to bomb forward in numbers, thereby leaving those openings. They're an irresistible force against a lesser (or less well organized) defense, but Chelsea have both the mental and physical strength to slow them down and the speed and guile to open them up on the counter. I'm not at all surprised at the result.
Great game, but it was only one game. City are still one result from the top and will be in the hunt for the duration.
I dont think it is without reason. When you hit the post 3 times, you are more than right to feel you could have won by more. Man City also looked completely in tatters whenever Chelsea broke with the ball. When Arsenal played City, I was blown away by the amount of space and time we had on the ball when we broke forward and we did have the ball in the back of the net 5 times even though we had goals unfairly disallowed a couple of times. I feel like City got away with one when they faced Arsenal and this game gives me the confidence that we can do them. If we can do a better job like Chelsea defensively, we could really exploit the time and space we have at the other end. In any case until we meet at the Emirates, then we can put things right. In the mean time I am sure other coaches in the League must be looking at what Chelsea did and think, well we could replicate this...
First of all we didn't get two goals which were 'wrongly' disallowed, I only remember one which was close you keep insisting they got away with one how? what did we do with the amount of space we had though? we just simply gave it back to them? when Chelsea got the ball yesterday they break away in numbers, we do not do that at Arsenal.
Giroud had the ball in the back of the net as well as Bendtner. Zabelata used his hand to block a brilliant through pass towards Walcott that should have been a stonewall penalty. On the other end they got a penalty that was dubious with Milner dragging his leg. In any case Arsenal scored 2 more goals than Chelsea and so I would say we actually did more with the amount of time and space we had. It is at the other end that we completely collapsed in our worst defensive display in over a year. I don't think Chelsea did anything special going forward, Theo Walcott had as good a game as Hazard against City. What was impressive was Chelsea's ability to stop City. They also didn't have to play a difficult game away in Italy with 10 men for at least half an hour and then go on the road to City 3 days later. I am sure that helps.
First of all let's dismiss that excuse of the 'difficult' away game we played in Napoli (Arteta was dismissed in the 77th minute by the way), every team can give excuses for a loss, City certainly could have given a lot of excuses for yesterday game, including having key players out and playing a lot of games in January. Anyway City shouldn't give an excuse and we shouldn't give an excuse for our loss at the Etihad. I don't know which game you watched but that penalty was anything but dubious, do you have a video of the Giroud goal?, because I can't recall him scoring a legitimate goal in that game. City were deserved winners that day, and can't even understand how anyone would dispute that.
That was exactly the excuse the City coach gave after the game that they had injuries. He also said he didnt believe the best team won today. In any case there is no need debating about the past, what has happened has happened. I felt like yesterday's game was what I have been saying about City for a while and finally somebody exploited their weaknesses. Arsenal would have their own chance too to do City when they come to the Emirates. I hope then you wouldnt say that Mourinho taught Wenger how to beat City if Arsenal win.
Well I initially thought they shouldn't give an excuse but when I actually took a close look at their injury list then I understood where pellegrini was coming from. Nasri Aguero Fenandinho Garcia all injured Milner not 100%fit, Rodwell still not 100% fit, and Negredo not 100% fit, even Jovetic who came on has been out for most of the season, this wouldn't have been a valid excuse if Chelsea had injury problems of their own but as it happens only Torres is carrying an injury at Chelsea. It's funny that your 'prediction' only came to pass when City had 10 players carrying some sort of injury. I can't wait for you to say they got 'thrashed' by barca even if the scoreline was 1-nil, and city are still missing a lot of players.
Rubbish, We have injuries is no excuse especially when you assemble a team with one billion pounds, you have no excuse. If you decide to put all your investment into strikers then you should not complain if you lose a midfielder or two and have to play a defender in midfield. I dont understand why there is so much double standard from some of you anyway. Arsenal have had just as many injuries as City this season if not more. We lost our best player this season Ramsey and lost our most productive player Walcott. We have had injuries to everyone at points this season and even Giroud had to miss a couple of weeks. This is the first time that City have really had a mini injury crisis. In any case they virtually play Fernadinho and Yaya in every game yet they expect to somehow win all 4 trophies. I think this is just the begining, I expect them to even have more injuries as they keep on flogging these players. They are blinded by Wenger hate, to the point of losing any sense of objectivity. It's like the inverse of Helsinki Syndrome.
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Feb 5 2014, 12:52 PM
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Where I come from, we hate our rivals to the point of being irrational about it. I got no time for heaping praise, patting on the back, or giving respect to anyone that we're in competiton with. Hate....hate...and more hate. That's how I roll.
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I don't think being an irrational clown for your team or against your rivals is a good place to be mentally. Other than in jest maybe. However, if I come on an Arsenal football board to converse I know I expect a bit of the former. The extent, longevity and bitterness of the latter that gets paraded here every day raises eyebrows.
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Feb 5 2014, 05:45 PM
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I don't think being an irrational clown for your team or against your rivals is a good place to be mentally. Other than in jest maybe. However, if I come on an Arsenal football board to converse I know I expect a bit of the former. The extent, longevity and bitterness of the latter that gets paraded here every day raises eyebrows. +1
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