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I don't think being an irrational clown for your team or against your rivals is a good place to be mentally. Other than in jest maybe. However, if I come on an Arsenal football board to converse I know I expect a bit of the former. The extent, longevity and bitterness of the latter that gets paraded here every day raises eyebrows. While not healthy, it does put things firmly in black and white as to where your loyalty lies. LOL
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If I relied only on reports here I'd think Chelsea won by four or five goals yesterday and that City's season is now in tatters. Chelsea could well have had more than the one they got, but City had good chances themselves, especially in the early going, and the match was close throughout.
Credit to Mourinho and his men for going into the lion's den and coming out winners. But the piling on here about how Chelsea exposed City's weaknesses ignores the fact that in many ways, City is an ideal opponent for Chelsea. Mourinho is accustomed (and prefers) to sit back with a strong and disciplined defense and exploit openings and City is only too happy to bomb forward in numbers, thereby leaving those openings. They're an irresistible force against a lesser (or less well organized) defense, but Chelsea have both the mental and physical strength to slow them down and the speed and guile to open them up on the counter. I'm not at all surprised at the result.
Great game, but it was only one game. City are still one result from the top and will be in the hunt for the duration.
I dont think it is without reason. When you hit the post 3 times, you are more than right to feel you could have won by more. Man City also looked completely in tatters whenever Chelsea broke with the ball. When Arsenal played City, I was blown away by the amount of space and time we had on the ball when we broke forward and we did have the ball in the back of the net 5 times even though we had goals unfairly disallowed a couple of times. I feel like City got away with one when they faced Arsenal and this game gives me the confidence that we can do them. If we can do a better job like Chelsea defensively, we could really exploit the time and space we have at the other end. In any case until we meet at the Emirates, then we can put things right. In the mean time I am sure other coaches in the League must be looking at what Chelsea did and think, well we could replicate this...
First of all we didn't get two goals which were 'wrongly' disallowed, I only remember one which was close you keep insisting they got away with one how? what did we do with the amount of space we had though? we just simply gave it back to them? when Chelsea got the ball yesterday they break away in numbers, we do not do that at Arsenal.
Giroud had the ball in the back of the net as well as Bendtner. Zabelata used his hand to block a brilliant through pass towards Walcott that should have been a stonewall penalty. On the other end they got a penalty that was dubious with Milner dragging his leg. In any case Arsenal scored 2 more goals than Chelsea and so I would say we actually did more with the amount of time and space we had. It is at the other end that we completely collapsed in our worst defensive display in over a year. I don't think Chelsea did anything special going forward, Theo Walcott had as good a game as Hazard against City. What was impressive was Chelsea's ability to stop City. They also didn't have to play a difficult game away in Italy with 10 men for at least half an hour and then go on the road to City 3 days later. I am sure that helps.
First of all let's dismiss that excuse of the 'difficult' away game we played in Napoli (Arteta was dismissed in the 77th minute by the way), every team can give excuses for a loss, City certainly could have given a lot of excuses for yesterday game, including having key players out and playing a lot of games in January. Anyway City shouldn't give an excuse and we shouldn't give an excuse for our loss at the Etihad. I don't know which game you watched but that penalty was anything but dubious, do you have a video of the Giroud goal?, because I can't recall him scoring a legitimate goal in that game. City were deserved winners that day, and can't even understand how anyone would dispute that.
That was exactly the excuse the City coach gave after the game that they had injuries. He also said he didnt believe the best team won today. In any case there is no need debating about the past, what has happened has happened. I felt like yesterday's game was what I have been saying about City for a while and finally somebody exploited their weaknesses. Arsenal would have their own chance too to do City when they come to the Emirates. I hope then you wouldnt say that Mourinho taught Wenger how to beat City if Arsenal win.
Well I initially thought they shouldn't give an excuse but when I actually took a close look at their injury list then I understood where pellegrini was coming from. Nasri Aguero Fenandinho Garcia all injured Milner not 100%fit, Rodwell still not 100% fit, and Negredo not 100% fit, even Jovetic who came on has been out for most of the season, this wouldn't have been a valid excuse if Chelsea had injury problems of their own but as it happens only Torres is carrying an injury at Chelsea. It's funny that your 'prediction' only came to pass when City had 10 players carrying some sort of injury. I can't wait for you to say they got 'thrashed' by barca even if the scoreline was 1-nil, and city are still missing a lot of players.
Rubbish, We have injuries is no excuse especially when you assemble a team with one billion pounds, you have no excuse. If you decide to put all your investment into strikers then you should not complain if you lose a midfielder or two and have to play a defender in midfield. I dont understand why there is so much double standard from some of you anyway. Arsenal have had just as many injuries as City this season if not more. We lost our best player this season Ramsey and lost our most productive player Walcott. We have had injuries to everyone at points this season and even Giroud had to miss a couple of weeks. This is the first time that City have really had a mini injury crisis. In any case they virtually play Fernadinho and Yaya in every game yet they expect to somehow win all 4 trophies. I think this is just the begining, I expect them to even have more injuries as they keep on flogging these players. It's not rubbish, we've had our own 'injury crisis' at the right time. When we had our major injury crisis this season we were playing the likes of fulham, we lost our best player this season after playing all the big games, if you look at the injuries City are having it happened when they had to face the likes of Spurs,Liverpool and Chelsea(twice). Most of this injured players would miss the barca tie, we've never heard this kind of injuries when big games are coming up. Two of the three players that faced extended period on the sideline, would not normally start for us anyways(podolski, oxlade). City are losing starters for BIG games. So it's silly to compare the injury situation of both teams to say the least.
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If I relied only on reports here I'd think Chelsea won by four or five goals yesterday and that City's season is now in tatters. Chelsea could well have had more than the one they got, but City had good chances themselves, especially in the early going, and the match was close throughout.
Credit to Mourinho and his men for going into the lion's den and coming out winners. But the piling on here about how Chelsea exposed City's weaknesses ignores the fact that in many ways, City is an ideal opponent for Chelsea. Mourinho is accustomed (and prefers) to sit back with a strong and disciplined defense and exploit openings and City is only too happy to bomb forward in numbers, thereby leaving those openings. They're an irresistible force against a lesser (or less well organized) defense, but Chelsea have both the mental and physical strength to slow them down and the speed and guile to open them up on the counter. I'm not at all surprised at the result.
Great game, but it was only one game. City are still one result from the top and will be in the hunt for the duration.
I dont think it is without reason. When you hit the post 3 times, you are more than right to feel you could have won by more. Man City also looked completely in tatters whenever Chelsea broke with the ball. When Arsenal played City, I was blown away by the amount of space and time we had on the ball when we broke forward and we did have the ball in the back of the net 5 times even though we had goals unfairly disallowed a couple of times. I feel like City got away with one when they faced Arsenal and this game gives me the confidence that we can do them. If we can do a better job like Chelsea defensively, we could really exploit the time and space we have at the other end. In any case until we meet at the Emirates, then we can put things right. In the mean time I am sure other coaches in the League must be looking at what Chelsea did and think, well we could replicate this...
First of all we didn't get two goals which were 'wrongly' disallowed, I only remember one which was close you keep insisting they got away with one how? what did we do with the amount of space we had though? we just simply gave it back to them? when Chelsea got the ball yesterday they break away in numbers, we do not do that at Arsenal.
Giroud had the ball in the back of the net as well as Bendtner. Zabelata used his hand to block a brilliant through pass towards Walcott that should have been a stonewall penalty. On the other end they got a penalty that was dubious with Milner dragging his leg. In any case Arsenal scored 2 more goals than Chelsea and so I would say we actually did more with the amount of time and space we had. It is at the other end that we completely collapsed in our worst defensive display in over a year. I don't think Chelsea did anything special going forward, Theo Walcott had as good a game as Hazard against City. What was impressive was Chelsea's ability to stop City. They also didn't have to play a difficult game away in Italy with 10 men for at least half an hour and then go on the road to City 3 days later. I am sure that helps.
First of all let's dismiss that excuse of the 'difficult' away game we played in Napoli (Arteta was dismissed in the 77th minute by the way), every team can give excuses for a loss, City certainly could have given a lot of excuses for yesterday game, including having key players out and playing a lot of games in January. Anyway City shouldn't give an excuse and we shouldn't give an excuse for our loss at the Etihad. I don't know which game you watched but that penalty was anything but dubious, do you have a video of the Giroud goal?, because I can't recall him scoring a legitimate goal in that game. City were deserved winners that day, and can't even understand how anyone would dispute that.
That was exactly the excuse the City coach gave after the game that they had injuries. He also said he didnt believe the best team won today. In any case there is no need debating about the past, what has happened has happened. I felt like yesterday's game was what I have been saying about City for a while and finally somebody exploited their weaknesses. Arsenal would have their own chance too to do City when they come to the Emirates. I hope then you wouldnt say that Mourinho taught Wenger how to beat City if Arsenal win.
Well I initially thought they shouldn't give an excuse but when I actually took a close look at their injury list then I understood where pellegrini was coming from. Nasri Aguero Fenandinho Garcia all injured Milner not 100%fit, Rodwell still not 100% fit, and Negredo not 100% fit, even Jovetic who came on has been out for most of the season, this wouldn't have been a valid excuse if Chelsea had injury problems of their own but as it happens only Torres is carrying an injury at Chelsea. It's funny that your 'prediction' only came to pass when City had 10 players carrying some sort of injury. I can't wait for you to say they got 'thrashed' by barca even if the scoreline was 1-nil, and city are still missing a lot of players.
Rubbish, We have injuries is no excuse especially when you assemble a team with one billion pounds, you have no excuse. If you decide to put all your investment into strikers then you should not complain if you lose a midfielder or two and have to play a defender in midfield. I dont understand why there is so much double standard from some of you anyway. Arsenal have had just as many injuries as City this season if not more. We lost our best player this season Ramsey and lost our most productive player Walcott. We have had injuries to everyone at points this season and even Giroud had to miss a couple of weeks. This is the first time that City have really had a mini injury crisis. In any case they virtually play Fernadinho and Yaya in every game yet they expect to somehow win all 4 trophies. I think this is just the begining, I expect them to even have more injuries as they keep on flogging these players.
It's not rubbish, we've had our own 'injury crisis' at the right time. When we had our major injury crisis this season we were playing the likes of fulham, we lost our best player this season after playing all the big games, if you look at the injuries City are having it happened when they had to face the likes of Spurs,Liverpool and Chelsea(twice). Most of this injured players would miss the barca tie, we've never heard this kind of injuries when big games are coming up. Two of the three players that faced extended period on the sideline, would not normally start for us anyways(podolski, oxlade). City are losing starters for BIG games. So it's silly to compare the injury situation of both teams to say the least. Please stop, it is quite embarassing seeing you defend City seeing that you pull no punches when you criticize Arsenal for their loss to City despite the prevailing circumstances. At least other City lovers like 0983 have disappeared since City lost.
A couple of things, City do not have an injury crisis, they dont have depth. Afterall they didnt seem to have a problem beating Spurs a week ago but now after a loss they now suddenly have an injury crisis. In any case City didnt lose to Chelsea because of injuries, they lost because they were tactically naive and played into Chelsea hands. Arsene Wenger has tried to beat Mourinho several times and despite out playing Chelsea on several occasions, he failed to beat them. The more adventrous you are against Chelsea, the more suceptible you are to Chelsea's counter attack. Chelsea having a 4 on 1 break in the 27th minute of a big game has nothing to do with injuries, that is stupidity plain and simple.
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If I relied only on reports here I'd think Chelsea won by four or five goals yesterday and that City's season is now in tatters. Chelsea could well have had more than the one they got, but City had good chances themselves, especially in the early going, and the match was close throughout.
Credit to Mourinho and his men for going into the lion's den and coming out winners. But the piling on here about how Chelsea exposed City's weaknesses ignores the fact that in many ways, City is an ideal opponent for Chelsea. Mourinho is accustomed (and prefers) to sit back with a strong and disciplined defense and exploit openings and City is only too happy to bomb forward in numbers, thereby leaving those openings. They're an irresistible force against a lesser (or less well organized) defense, but Chelsea have both the mental and physical strength to slow them down and the speed and guile to open them up on the counter. I'm not at all surprised at the result.
Great game, but it was only one game. City are still one result from the top and will be in the hunt for the duration.
I dont think it is without reason. When you hit the post 3 times, you are more than right to feel you could have won by more. Man City also looked completely in tatters whenever Chelsea broke with the ball. When Arsenal played City, I was blown away by the amount of space and time we had on the ball when we broke forward and we did have the ball in the back of the net 5 times even though we had goals unfairly disallowed a couple of times. I feel like City got away with one when they faced Arsenal and this game gives me the confidence that we can do them. If we can do a better job like Chelsea defensively, we could really exploit the time and space we have at the other end. In any case until we meet at the Emirates, then we can put things right. In the mean time I am sure other coaches in the League must be looking at what Chelsea did and think, well we could replicate this...
First of all we didn't get two goals which were 'wrongly' disallowed, I only remember one which was close you keep insisting they got away with one how? what did we do with the amount of space we had though? we just simply gave it back to them? when Chelsea got the ball yesterday they break away in numbers, we do not do that at Arsenal.
Giroud had the ball in the back of the net as well as Bendtner. Zabelata used his hand to block a brilliant through pass towards Walcott that should have been a stonewall penalty. On the other end they got a penalty that was dubious with Milner dragging his leg. In any case Arsenal scored 2 more goals than Chelsea and so I would say we actually did more with the amount of time and space we had. It is at the other end that we completely collapsed in our worst defensive display in over a year. I don't think Chelsea did anything special going forward, Theo Walcott had as good a game as Hazard against City. What was impressive was Chelsea's ability to stop City. They also didn't have to play a difficult game away in Italy with 10 men for at least half an hour and then go on the road to City 3 days later. I am sure that helps.
First of all let's dismiss that excuse of the 'difficult' away game we played in Napoli (Arteta was dismissed in the 77th minute by the way), every team can give excuses for a loss, City certainly could have given a lot of excuses for yesterday game, including having key players out and playing a lot of games in January. Anyway City shouldn't give an excuse and we shouldn't give an excuse for our loss at the Etihad. I don't know which game you watched but that penalty was anything but dubious, do you have a video of the Giroud goal?, because I can't recall him scoring a legitimate goal in that game. City were deserved winners that day, and can't even understand how anyone would dispute that.
That was exactly the excuse the City coach gave after the game that they had injuries. He also said he didnt believe the best team won today. In any case there is no need debating about the past, what has happened has happened. I felt like yesterday's game was what I have been saying about City for a while and finally somebody exploited their weaknesses. Arsenal would have their own chance too to do City when they come to the Emirates. I hope then you wouldnt say that Mourinho taught Wenger how to beat City if Arsenal win.
Well I initially thought they shouldn't give an excuse but when I actually took a close look at their injury list then I understood where pellegrini was coming from. Nasri Aguero Fenandinho Garcia all injured Milner not 100%fit, Rodwell still not 100% fit, and Negredo not 100% fit, even Jovetic who came on has been out for most of the season, this wouldn't have been a valid excuse if Chelsea had injury problems of their own but as it happens only Torres is carrying an injury at Chelsea. It's funny that your 'prediction' only came to pass when City had 10 players carrying some sort of injury. I can't wait for you to say they got 'thrashed' by barca even if the scoreline was 1-nil, and city are still missing a lot of players.
Rubbish, We have injuries is no excuse especially when you assemble a team with one billion pounds, you have no excuse. If you decide to put all your investment into strikers then you should not complain if you lose a midfielder or two and have to play a defender in midfield. I dont understand why there is so much double standard from some of you anyway. Arsenal have had just as many injuries as City this season if not more. We lost our best player this season Ramsey and lost our most productive player Walcott. We have had injuries to everyone at points this season and even Giroud had to miss a couple of weeks. This is the first time that City have really had a mini injury crisis. In any case they virtually play Fernadinho and Yaya in every game yet they expect to somehow win all 4 trophies. I think this is just the begining, I expect them to even have more injuries as they keep on flogging these players.
It's not rubbish, we've had our own 'injury crisis' at the right time. When we had our major injury crisis this season we were playing the likes of fulham, we lost our best player this season after playing all the big games, if you look at the injuries City are having it happened when they had to face the likes of Spurs,Liverpool and Chelsea(twice). Most of this injured players would miss the barca tie, we've never heard this kind of injuries when big games are coming up. Two of the three players that faced extended period on the sideline, would not normally start for us anyways(podolski, oxlade). City are losing starters for BIG games. So it's silly to compare the injury situation of both teams to say the least.
Please stop, it is quite embarassing seeing you defend City seeing that you pull no punches when you criticize Arsenal for their loss to City despite the prevailing circumstances. At least other City lovers like 0983 have disappeared since City lost. A couple of things, City do not have an injury crisis, they dont have depth. Afterall they didnt seem to have a problem beating Spurs a week ago but now after a loss they now suddenly have an injury crisis. In any case City didnt lose to Chelsea because of injuries, they lost because they were tactically naive and played into Chelsea hands. Arsene Wenger has tried to beat Mourinho several times and despite out playing Chelsea on several occasions, he failed to beat them. The more adventrous you are against Chelsea, the more suceptible you are to Chelsea's counter attack. Chelsea having a 4 on 1 break in the 27th minute of a big game has nothing to do with injuries, that is stupidity plain and simple. What's quite embarrassing is you thinking a team that won by 3 clear goals in a game 'got away with one' and suggesting they are bribing the referees because of a couple of mistakes from the linesman. I criticize Arsenal against city because the performance was woeful, not saying city do not deserve some criticism for their display on Monday, Pellegrini made a mess of it but given the circumstances a 1-0 loss wasn't quite as embarrassing as a 6-3 thrashing.
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If I relied only on reports here I'd think Chelsea won by four or five goals yesterday and that City's season is now in tatters. Chelsea could well have had more than the one they got, but City had good chances themselves, especially in the early going, and the match was close throughout.
Credit to Mourinho and his men for going into the lion's den and coming out winners. But the piling on here about how Chelsea exposed City's weaknesses ignores the fact that in many ways, City is an ideal opponent for Chelsea. Mourinho is accustomed (and prefers) to sit back with a strong and disciplined defense and exploit openings and City is only too happy to bomb forward in numbers, thereby leaving those openings. They're an irresistible force against a lesser (or less well organized) defense, but Chelsea have both the mental and physical strength to slow them down and the speed and guile to open them up on the counter. I'm not at all surprised at the result.
Great game, but it was only one game. City are still one result from the top and will be in the hunt for the duration.
I dont think it is without reason. When you hit the post 3 times, you are more than right to feel you could have won by more. Man City also looked completely in tatters whenever Chelsea broke with the ball. When Arsenal played City, I was blown away by the amount of space and time we had on the ball when we broke forward and we did have the ball in the back of the net 5 times even though we had goals unfairly disallowed a couple of times. I feel like City got away with one when they faced Arsenal and this game gives me the confidence that we can do them. If we can do a better job like Chelsea defensively, we could really exploit the time and space we have at the other end. In any case until we meet at the Emirates, then we can put things right. In the mean time I am sure other coaches in the League must be looking at what Chelsea did and think, well we could replicate this...
First of all we didn't get two goals which were 'wrongly' disallowed, I only remember one which was close you keep insisting they got away with one how? what did we do with the amount of space we had though? we just simply gave it back to them? when Chelsea got the ball yesterday they break away in numbers, we do not do that at Arsenal.
Giroud had the ball in the back of the net as well as Bendtner. Zabelata used his hand to block a brilliant through pass towards Walcott that should have been a stonewall penalty. On the other end they got a penalty that was dubious with Milner dragging his leg. In any case Arsenal scored 2 more goals than Chelsea and so I would say we actually did more with the amount of time and space we had. It is at the other end that we completely collapsed in our worst defensive display in over a year. I don't think Chelsea did anything special going forward, Theo Walcott had as good a game as Hazard against City. What was impressive was Chelsea's ability to stop City. They also didn't have to play a difficult game away in Italy with 10 men for at least half an hour and then go on the road to City 3 days later. I am sure that helps.
First of all let's dismiss that excuse of the 'difficult' away game we played in Napoli (Arteta was dismissed in the 77th minute by the way), every team can give excuses for a loss, City certainly could have given a lot of excuses for yesterday game, including having key players out and playing a lot of games in January. Anyway City shouldn't give an excuse and we shouldn't give an excuse for our loss at the Etihad. I don't know which game you watched but that penalty was anything but dubious, do you have a video of the Giroud goal?, because I can't recall him scoring a legitimate goal in that game. City were deserved winners that day, and can't even understand how anyone would dispute that.
That was exactly the excuse the City coach gave after the game that they had injuries. He also said he didnt believe the best team won today. In any case there is no need debating about the past, what has happened has happened. I felt like yesterday's game was what I have been saying about City for a while and finally somebody exploited their weaknesses. Arsenal would have their own chance too to do City when they come to the Emirates. I hope then you wouldnt say that Mourinho taught Wenger how to beat City if Arsenal win.
Well I initially thought they shouldn't give an excuse but when I actually took a close look at their injury list then I understood where pellegrini was coming from. Nasri Aguero Fenandinho Garcia all injured Milner not 100%fit, Rodwell still not 100% fit, and Negredo not 100% fit, even Jovetic who came on has been out for most of the season, this wouldn't have been a valid excuse if Chelsea had injury problems of their own but as it happens only Torres is carrying an injury at Chelsea. It's funny that your 'prediction' only came to pass when City had 10 players carrying some sort of injury. I can't wait for you to say they got 'thrashed' by barca even if the scoreline was 1-nil, and city are still missing a lot of players.
Rubbish, We have injuries is no excuse especially when you assemble a team with one billion pounds, you have no excuse. If you decide to put all your investment into strikers then you should not complain if you lose a midfielder or two and have to play a defender in midfield. I dont understand why there is so much double standard from some of you anyway. Arsenal have had just as many injuries as City this season if not more. We lost our best player this season Ramsey and lost our most productive player Walcott. We have had injuries to everyone at points this season and even Giroud had to miss a couple of weeks. This is the first time that City have really had a mini injury crisis. In any case they virtually play Fernadinho and Yaya in every game yet they expect to somehow win all 4 trophies. I think this is just the begining, I expect them to even have more injuries as they keep on flogging these players.
It's not rubbish, we've had our own 'injury crisis' at the right time. When we had our major injury crisis this season we were playing the likes of fulham, we lost our best player this season after playing all the big games, if you look at the injuries City are having it happened when they had to face the likes of Spurs,Liverpool and Chelsea(twice). Most of this injured players would miss the barca tie, we've never heard this kind of injuries when big games are coming up. Two of the three players that faced extended period on the sideline, would not normally start for us anyways(podolski, oxlade). City are losing starters for BIG games. So it's silly to compare the injury situation of both teams to say the least.
Please stop, it is quite embarassing seeing you defend City seeing that you pull no punches when you criticize Arsenal for their loss to City despite the prevailing circumstances. At least other City lovers like 0983 have disappeared since City lost. A couple of things, City do not have an injury crisis, they dont have depth. Afterall they didnt seem to have a problem beating Spurs a week ago but now after a loss they now suddenly have an injury crisis. In any case City didnt lose to Chelsea because of injuries, they lost because they were tactically naive and played into Chelsea hands. Arsene Wenger has tried to beat Mourinho several times and despite out playing Chelsea on several occasions, he failed to beat them. The more adventrous you are against Chelsea, the more suceptible you are to Chelsea's counter attack. Chelsea having a 4 on 1 break in the 27th minute of a big game has nothing to do with injuries, that is stupidity plain and simple.
What's quite embarrassing is you thinking a team that won by 3 clear goals in a game 'got away with one' and suggesting they are bribing the referees because of a couple of mistakes from the linesman. I criticize Arsenal against city because the performance was woeful, not saying city do not deserve some criticism for their display on Monday, Pellegrini made a mess of it but given the circumstances a 1-0 loss wasn't quite as embarrassing as a 6-3 thrashing. Dream, are you really an Arsenal fan? This is an honest question because I had assume that most people posting here are. Billabog is the only one I know that isn't. It just seems that you try so hard to make excuses for other teams/managers but find it hard to give any credit to Arsenal/Wenger!
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If I relied only on reports here I'd think Chelsea won by four or five goals yesterday and that City's season is now in tatters. Chelsea could well have had more than the one they got, but City had good chances themselves, especially in the early going, and the match was close throughout.
Credit to Mourinho and his men for going into the lion's den and coming out winners. But the piling on here about how Chelsea exposed City's weaknesses ignores the fact that in many ways, City is an ideal opponent for Chelsea. Mourinho is accustomed (and prefers) to sit back with a strong and disciplined defense and exploit openings and City is only too happy to bomb forward in numbers, thereby leaving those openings. They're an irresistible force against a lesser (or less well organized) defense, but Chelsea have both the mental and physical strength to slow them down and the speed and guile to open them up on the counter. I'm not at all surprised at the result.
Great game, but it was only one game. City are still one result from the top and will be in the hunt for the duration.
I dont think it is without reason. When you hit the post 3 times, you are more than right to feel you could have won by more. Man City also looked completely in tatters whenever Chelsea broke with the ball. When Arsenal played City, I was blown away by the amount of space and time we had on the ball when we broke forward and we did have the ball in the back of the net 5 times even though we had goals unfairly disallowed a couple of times. I feel like City got away with one when they faced Arsenal and this game gives me the confidence that we can do them. If we can do a better job like Chelsea defensively, we could really exploit the time and space we have at the other end. In any case until we meet at the Emirates, then we can put things right. In the mean time I am sure other coaches in the League must be looking at what Chelsea did and think, well we could replicate this...
First of all we didn't get two goals which were 'wrongly' disallowed, I only remember one which was close you keep insisting they got away with one how? what did we do with the amount of space we had though? we just simply gave it back to them? when Chelsea got the ball yesterday they break away in numbers, we do not do that at Arsenal.
Giroud had the ball in the back of the net as well as Bendtner. Zabelata used his hand to block a brilliant through pass towards Walcott that should have been a stonewall penalty. On the other end they got a penalty that was dubious with Milner dragging his leg. In any case Arsenal scored 2 more goals than Chelsea and so I would say we actually did more with the amount of time and space we had. It is at the other end that we completely collapsed in our worst defensive display in over a year. I don't think Chelsea did anything special going forward, Theo Walcott had as good a game as Hazard against City. What was impressive was Chelsea's ability to stop City. They also didn't have to play a difficult game away in Italy with 10 men for at least half an hour and then go on the road to City 3 days later. I am sure that helps.
First of all let's dismiss that excuse of the 'difficult' away game we played in Napoli (Arteta was dismissed in the 77th minute by the way), every team can give excuses for a loss, City certainly could have given a lot of excuses for yesterday game, including having key players out and playing a lot of games in January. Anyway City shouldn't give an excuse and we shouldn't give an excuse for our loss at the Etihad. I don't know which game you watched but that penalty was anything but dubious, do you have a video of the Giroud goal?, because I can't recall him scoring a legitimate goal in that game. City were deserved winners that day, and can't even understand how anyone would dispute that.
That was exactly the excuse the City coach gave after the game that they had injuries. He also said he didnt believe the best team won today. In any case there is no need debating about the past, what has happened has happened. I felt like yesterday's game was what I have been saying about City for a while and finally somebody exploited their weaknesses. Arsenal would have their own chance too to do City when they come to the Emirates. I hope then you wouldnt say that Mourinho taught Wenger how to beat City if Arsenal win.
Well I initially thought they shouldn't give an excuse but when I actually took a close look at their injury list then I understood where pellegrini was coming from. Nasri Aguero Fenandinho Garcia all injured Milner not 100%fit, Rodwell still not 100% fit, and Negredo not 100% fit, even Jovetic who came on has been out for most of the season, this wouldn't have been a valid excuse if Chelsea had injury problems of their own but as it happens only Torres is carrying an injury at Chelsea. It's funny that your 'prediction' only came to pass when City had 10 players carrying some sort of injury. I can't wait for you to say they got 'thrashed' by barca even if the scoreline was 1-nil, and city are still missing a lot of players.
Rubbish, We have injuries is no excuse especially when you assemble a team with one billion pounds, you have no excuse. If you decide to put all your investment into strikers then you should not complain if you lose a midfielder or two and have to play a defender in midfield. I dont understand why there is so much double standard from some of you anyway. Arsenal have had just as many injuries as City this season if not more. We lost our best player this season Ramsey and lost our most productive player Walcott. We have had injuries to everyone at points this season and even Giroud had to miss a couple of weeks. This is the first time that City have really had a mini injury crisis. In any case they virtually play Fernadinho and Yaya in every game yet they expect to somehow win all 4 trophies. I think this is just the begining, I expect them to even have more injuries as they keep on flogging these players.
It's not rubbish, we've had our own 'injury crisis' at the right time. When we had our major injury crisis this season we were playing the likes of fulham, we lost our best player this season after playing all the big games, if you look at the injuries City are having it happened when they had to face the likes of Spurs,Liverpool and Chelsea(twice). Most of this injured players would miss the barca tie, we've never heard this kind of injuries when big games are coming up. Two of the three players that faced extended period on the sideline, would not normally start for us anyways(podolski, oxlade). City are losing starters for BIG games. So it's silly to compare the injury situation of both teams to say the least.
Please stop, it is quite embarassing seeing you defend City seeing that you pull no punches when you criticize Arsenal for their loss to City despite the prevailing circumstances. At least other City lovers like 0983 have disappeared since City lost. A couple of things, City do not have an injury crisis, they dont have depth. Afterall they didnt seem to have a problem beating Spurs a week ago but now after a loss they now suddenly have an injury crisis. In any case City didnt lose to Chelsea because of injuries, they lost because they were tactically naive and played into Chelsea hands. Arsene Wenger has tried to beat Mourinho several times and despite out playing Chelsea on several occasions, he failed to beat them. The more adventrous you are against Chelsea, the more suceptible you are to Chelsea's counter attack. Chelsea having a 4 on 1 break in the 27th minute of a big game has nothing to do with injuries, that is stupidity plain and simple.
What's quite embarrassing is you thinking a team that won by 3 clear goals in a game 'got away with one' and suggesting they are bribing the referees because of a couple of mistakes from the linesman. I criticize Arsenal against city because the performance was woeful, not saying city do not deserve some criticism for their display on Monday, Pellegrini made a mess of it but given the circumstances a 1-0 loss wasn't quite as embarrassing as a 6-3 thrashing.
Dream, are you really an Arsenal fan? This is an honest question because I had assume that most people posting here are. Billabog is the only one I know that isn't. It just seems that you try so hard to make excuses for other teams/managers but find it hard to give any credit to Arsenal/Wenger! Pizzy would rather be vindicated for writing Wenger off years ago then see Arsenal win anything under him again. That's why there's such a double standard when it comes to Arsenal and other clubs. Basically, he would rather be proven right than see Arsenal win.
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If I relied only on reports here I'd think Chelsea won by four or five goals yesterday and that City's season is now in tatters. Chelsea could well have had more than the one they got, but City had good chances themselves, especially in the early going, and the match was close throughout.
Credit to Mourinho and his men for going into the lion's den and coming out winners. But the piling on here about how Chelsea exposed City's weaknesses ignores the fact that in many ways, City is an ideal opponent for Chelsea. Mourinho is accustomed (and prefers) to sit back with a strong and disciplined defense and exploit openings and City is only too happy to bomb forward in numbers, thereby leaving those openings. They're an irresistible force against a lesser (or less well organized) defense, but Chelsea have both the mental and physical strength to slow them down and the speed and guile to open them up on the counter. I'm not at all surprised at the result.
Great game, but it was only one game. City are still one result from the top and will be in the hunt for the duration.
I dont think it is without reason. When you hit the post 3 times, you are more than right to feel you could have won by more. Man City also looked completely in tatters whenever Chelsea broke with the ball. When Arsenal played City, I was blown away by the amount of space and time we had on the ball when we broke forward and we did have the ball in the back of the net 5 times even though we had goals unfairly disallowed a couple of times. I feel like City got away with one when they faced Arsenal and this game gives me the confidence that we can do them. If we can do a better job like Chelsea defensively, we could really exploit the time and space we have at the other end. In any case until we meet at the Emirates, then we can put things right. In the mean time I am sure other coaches in the League must be looking at what Chelsea did and think, well we could replicate this...
First of all we didn't get two goals which were 'wrongly' disallowed, I only remember one which was close you keep insisting they got away with one how? what did we do with the amount of space we had though? we just simply gave it back to them? when Chelsea got the ball yesterday they break away in numbers, we do not do that at Arsenal.
Giroud had the ball in the back of the net as well as Bendtner. Zabelata used his hand to block a brilliant through pass towards Walcott that should have been a stonewall penalty. On the other end they got a penalty that was dubious with Milner dragging his leg. In any case Arsenal scored 2 more goals than Chelsea and so I would say we actually did more with the amount of time and space we had. It is at the other end that we completely collapsed in our worst defensive display in over a year. I don't think Chelsea did anything special going forward, Theo Walcott had as good a game as Hazard against City. What was impressive was Chelsea's ability to stop City. They also didn't have to play a difficult game away in Italy with 10 men for at least half an hour and then go on the road to City 3 days later. I am sure that helps.
First of all let's dismiss that excuse of the 'difficult' away game we played in Napoli (Arteta was dismissed in the 77th minute by the way), every team can give excuses for a loss, City certainly could have given a lot of excuses for yesterday game, including having key players out and playing a lot of games in January. Anyway City shouldn't give an excuse and we shouldn't give an excuse for our loss at the Etihad. I don't know which game you watched but that penalty was anything but dubious, do you have a video of the Giroud goal?, because I can't recall him scoring a legitimate goal in that game. City were deserved winners that day, and can't even understand how anyone would dispute that.
That was exactly the excuse the City coach gave after the game that they had injuries. He also said he didnt believe the best team won today. In any case there is no need debating about the past, what has happened has happened. I felt like yesterday's game was what I have been saying about City for a while and finally somebody exploited their weaknesses. Arsenal would have their own chance too to do City when they come to the Emirates. I hope then you wouldnt say that Mourinho taught Wenger how to beat City if Arsenal win.
Well I initially thought they shouldn't give an excuse but when I actually took a close look at their injury list then I understood where pellegrini was coming from. Nasri Aguero Fenandinho Garcia all injured Milner not 100%fit, Rodwell still not 100% fit, and Negredo not 100% fit, even Jovetic who came on has been out for most of the season, this wouldn't have been a valid excuse if Chelsea had injury problems of their own but as it happens only Torres is carrying an injury at Chelsea. It's funny that your 'prediction' only came to pass when City had 10 players carrying some sort of injury. I can't wait for you to say they got 'thrashed' by barca even if the scoreline was 1-nil, and city are still missing a lot of players.
Rubbish, We have injuries is no excuse especially when you assemble a team with one billion pounds, you have no excuse. If you decide to put all your investment into strikers then you should not complain if you lose a midfielder or two and have to play a defender in midfield. I dont understand why there is so much double standard from some of you anyway. Arsenal have had just as many injuries as City this season if not more. We lost our best player this season Ramsey and lost our most productive player Walcott. We have had injuries to everyone at points this season and even Giroud had to miss a couple of weeks. This is the first time that City have really had a mini injury crisis. In any case they virtually play Fernadinho and Yaya in every game yet they expect to somehow win all 4 trophies. I think this is just the begining, I expect them to even have more injuries as they keep on flogging these players.
It's not rubbish, we've had our own 'injury crisis' at the right time. When we had our major injury crisis this season we were playing the likes of fulham, we lost our best player this season after playing all the big games, if you look at the injuries City are having it happened when they had to face the likes of Spurs,Liverpool and Chelsea(twice). Most of this injured players would miss the barca tie, we've never heard this kind of injuries when big games are coming up. Two of the three players that faced extended period on the sideline, would not normally start for us anyways(podolski, oxlade). City are losing starters for BIG games. So it's silly to compare the injury situation of both teams to say the least.
Please stop, it is quite embarassing seeing you defend City seeing that you pull no punches when you criticize Arsenal for their loss to City despite the prevailing circumstances. At least other City lovers like 0983 have disappeared since City lost. A couple of things, City do not have an injury crisis, they dont have depth. Afterall they didnt seem to have a problem beating Spurs a week ago but now after a loss they now suddenly have an injury crisis. In any case City didnt lose to Chelsea because of injuries, they lost because they were tactically naive and played into Chelsea hands. Arsene Wenger has tried to beat Mourinho several times and despite out playing Chelsea on several occasions, he failed to beat them. The more adventrous you are against Chelsea, the more suceptible you are to Chelsea's counter attack. Chelsea having a 4 on 1 break in the 27th minute of a big game has nothing to do with injuries, that is stupidity plain and simple.
What's quite embarrassing is you thinking a team that won by 3 clear goals in a game 'got away with one' and suggesting they are bribing the referees because of a couple of mistakes from the linesman. I criticize Arsenal against city because the performance was woeful, not saying city do not deserve some criticism for their display on Monday, Pellegrini made a mess of it but given the circumstances a 1-0 loss wasn't quite as embarrassing as a 6-3 thrashing.
Dream, are you really an Arsenal fan? This is an honest question because I had assume that most people posting here are. Billabog is the only one I know that isn't. It just seems that you try so hard to make excuses for other teams/managers but find it hard to give any credit to Arsenal/Wenger!
Pizzy would rather be vindicated for writing Wenger off years ago then see Arsenal win anything under him again. That's why there's such a double standard when it comes to Arsenal and other clubs. Basically, he would rather be proven right than see Arsenal win. how did you come to the conclusion that I'll rather see Arsenal not win.?
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Feb 7 2014, 09:54 AM
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If I relied only on reports here I'd think Chelsea won by four or five goals yesterday and that City's season is now in tatters. Chelsea could well have had more than the one they got, but City had good chances themselves, especially in the early going, and the match was close throughout.
Credit to Mourinho and his men for going into the lion's den and coming out winners. But the piling on here about how Chelsea exposed City's weaknesses ignores the fact that in many ways, City is an ideal opponent for Chelsea. Mourinho is accustomed (and prefers) to sit back with a strong and disciplined defense and exploit openings and City is only too happy to bomb forward in numbers, thereby leaving those openings. They're an irresistible force against a lesser (or less well organized) defense, but Chelsea have both the mental and physical strength to slow them down and the speed and guile to open them up on the counter. I'm not at all surprised at the result.
Great game, but it was only one game. City are still one result from the top and will be in the hunt for the duration.
I dont think it is without reason. When you hit the post 3 times, you are more than right to feel you could have won by more. Man City also looked completely in tatters whenever Chelsea broke with the ball. When Arsenal played City, I was blown away by the amount of space and time we had on the ball when we broke forward and we did have the ball in the back of the net 5 times even though we had goals unfairly disallowed a couple of times. I feel like City got away with one when they faced Arsenal and this game gives me the confidence that we can do them. If we can do a better job like Chelsea defensively, we could really exploit the time and space we have at the other end. In any case until we meet at the Emirates, then we can put things right. In the mean time I am sure other coaches in the League must be looking at what Chelsea did and think, well we could replicate this...
First of all we didn't get two goals which were 'wrongly' disallowed, I only remember one which was close you keep insisting they got away with one how? what did we do with the amount of space we had though? we just simply gave it back to them? when Chelsea got the ball yesterday they break away in numbers, we do not do that at Arsenal.
Giroud had the ball in the back of the net as well as Bendtner. Zabelata used his hand to block a brilliant through pass towards Walcott that should have been a stonewall penalty. On the other end they got a penalty that was dubious with Milner dragging his leg. In any case Arsenal scored 2 more goals than Chelsea and so I would say we actually did more with the amount of time and space we had. It is at the other end that we completely collapsed in our worst defensive display in over a year. I don't think Chelsea did anything special going forward, Theo Walcott had as good a game as Hazard against City. What was impressive was Chelsea's ability to stop City. They also didn't have to play a difficult game away in Italy with 10 men for at least half an hour and then go on the road to City 3 days later. I am sure that helps.
First of all let's dismiss that excuse of the 'difficult' away game we played in Napoli (Arteta was dismissed in the 77th minute by the way), every team can give excuses for a loss, City certainly could have given a lot of excuses for yesterday game, including having key players out and playing a lot of games in January. Anyway City shouldn't give an excuse and we shouldn't give an excuse for our loss at the Etihad. I don't know which game you watched but that penalty was anything but dubious, do you have a video of the Giroud goal?, because I can't recall him scoring a legitimate goal in that game. City were deserved winners that day, and can't even understand how anyone would dispute that.
That was exactly the excuse the City coach gave after the game that they had injuries. He also said he didnt believe the best team won today. In any case there is no need debating about the past, what has happened has happened. I felt like yesterday's game was what I have been saying about City for a while and finally somebody exploited their weaknesses. Arsenal would have their own chance too to do City when they come to the Emirates. I hope then you wouldnt say that Mourinho taught Wenger how to beat City if Arsenal win.
Well I initially thought they shouldn't give an excuse but when I actually took a close look at their injury list then I understood where pellegrini was coming from. Nasri Aguero Fenandinho Garcia all injured Milner not 100%fit, Rodwell still not 100% fit, and Negredo not 100% fit, even Jovetic who came on has been out for most of the season, this wouldn't have been a valid excuse if Chelsea had injury problems of their own but as it happens only Torres is carrying an injury at Chelsea. It's funny that your 'prediction' only came to pass when City had 10 players carrying some sort of injury. I can't wait for you to say they got 'thrashed' by barca even if the scoreline was 1-nil, and city are still missing a lot of players.
Rubbish, We have injuries is no excuse especially when you assemble a team with one billion pounds, you have no excuse. If you decide to put all your investment into strikers then you should not complain if you lose a midfielder or two and have to play a defender in midfield. I dont understand why there is so much double standard from some of you anyway. Arsenal have had just as many injuries as City this season if not more. We lost our best player this season Ramsey and lost our most productive player Walcott. We have had injuries to everyone at points this season and even Giroud had to miss a couple of weeks. This is the first time that City have really had a mini injury crisis. In any case they virtually play Fernadinho and Yaya in every game yet they expect to somehow win all 4 trophies. I think this is just the begining, I expect them to even have more injuries as they keep on flogging these players.
It's not rubbish, we've had our own 'injury crisis' at the right time. When we had our major injury crisis this season we were playing the likes of fulham, we lost our best player this season after playing all the big games, if you look at the injuries City are having it happened when they had to face the likes of Spurs,Liverpool and Chelsea(twice). Most of this injured players would miss the barca tie, we've never heard this kind of injuries when big games are coming up. Two of the three players that faced extended period on the sideline, would not normally start for us anyways(podolski, oxlade). City are losing starters for BIG games. So it's silly to compare the injury situation of both teams to say the least.
Please stop, it is quite embarassing seeing you defend City seeing that you pull no punches when you criticize Arsenal for their loss to City despite the prevailing circumstances. At least other City lovers like 0983 have disappeared since City lost. A couple of things, City do not have an injury crisis, they dont have depth. Afterall they didnt seem to have a problem beating Spurs a week ago but now after a loss they now suddenly have an injury crisis. In any case City didnt lose to Chelsea because of injuries, they lost because they were tactically naive and played into Chelsea hands. Arsene Wenger has tried to beat Mourinho several times and despite out playing Chelsea on several occasions, he failed to beat them. The more adventrous you are against Chelsea, the more suceptible you are to Chelsea's counter attack. Chelsea having a 4 on 1 break in the 27th minute of a big game has nothing to do with injuries, that is stupidity plain and simple.
What's quite embarrassing is you thinking a team that won by 3 clear goals in a game 'got away with one' and suggesting they are bribing the referees because of a couple of mistakes from the linesman. I criticize Arsenal against city because the performance was woeful, not saying city do not deserve some criticism for their display on Monday, Pellegrini made a mess of it but given the circumstances a 1-0 loss wasn't quite as embarrassing as a 6-3 thrashing.
Dream, are you really an Arsenal fan? This is an honest question because I had assume that most people posting here are. Billabog is the only one I know that isn't. It just seems that you try so hard to make excuses for other teams/managers but find it hard to give any credit to Arsenal/Wenger!
Pizzy would rather be vindicated for writing Wenger off years ago then see Arsenal win anything under him again. That's why there's such a double standard when it comes to Arsenal and other clubs. Basically, he would rather be proven right than see Arsenal win.
how did you come to the conclusion that I'll rather see Arsenal not win.? I based it on your M.O. which is by now well established after 5+ years of posting. Note that I didn't say you don't want to see Arsenal win, I said you don't want to see Arsenal win under Wenger.
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Jose Mourinho has finally gotten under Pellegrini's skin with his comment about his team being a little horse. He really looked rattled in his press conference when responding to Mourinho comments. When Wenger was asked the same question about Mourinho's comment, his response was simple, "I don't know, they are in there. It is easy to move out if you don't want it".
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It was a superb display from Chelsea & they were superbly set up & drilled by Mou. Lets not simplify what he did too much, he spent a lot of time studying City & in particular the way the become exposed when Yaya & the FB's bomb forward. he matched the physicality & set the team up superbly
Pellegrini on the other hand made a huge blunder in altering 2 positions to cover one. I don't know why he took DeMechelis from CB to DM, he simply isn't a DM & it affected 2 areas of the pitch. In hindsight Yaya should have been told to sit deep & Milner or even Nasri should have played
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