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Maureen again proves a lack of class
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Topic Started: Aug 12 2015, 08:16 PM (1,410 Views)
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chillyheat
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Sep 26 2015, 11:56 AM
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when you really think about it- its all rather sad innit? point of jodb on here to chat bout footy, reveal secret identities, police posters or disclose your sexual urges/fantasies/ to us? seriously, which one it is? or trying to muddy waters so posters can forget bout your eye biting take on chelsea game.....actually admonishing wenger & gabriel!!! chilli be getting off laughing hyena laugh at memories of your epic stupidity. can't touch it. untouchable stupidity at it's worstest.
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
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Sep 26 2015, 11:58 AM
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when you really think about it- its all rather sad innit? point of jodb on here to chat bout footy, reveal secret identities, police posters or disclose your sexual urges/fantasies/ to us? seriously, which one it is? or trying to muddy waters so posters can forget bout your eye biting take on chelsea game.....actually admonishing wenger & gabriel!!! chilli be getting off laughing hyena laugh at memories of your epic stupidity. can't touch it. untouchable stupidity at it's worstest. Yeah, by comparison, you're a real beacon of light around here. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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chillyheat
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Sep 26 2015, 11:59 AM
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Mourinho, along with many of the Sack Wenger Brigade, thinks apples and oranges taste alike. There is no comparing the clubs and tenures of these two managers. One is a mercenary, the other, an architect.
Architect for what? Failing every year? We are winning jack shit this year. Again. What excuse will u give now, Mr JODB? Gawd! the lengths to which Wenger fanboys defend our manager.
Just tuned in, and here you are getting a bit too big for your britches. You have neither the capacity nor the tenacity for cyber combat with me, klown, so bugger off if you want to talk smack like this. Typical dumb arse shite from another history challenged SLG. I yawn at your perspectiveless taunting, and stand 100% by my post and my manager. was u drunk, drugged or simply had stick up ur arse when jodb scripted this?
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KamyFC
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Sep 26 2015, 12:00 PM
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Not competing" for 10 years including a lot of time spent selling our best players without funds to replace them. Do you know what Mourinho would do in that situation? He would leave. He is not interesting in team-building, in serving a club, he is only interested in winnng himself medals. Which is perfectly good, but Wenger has achieved something great and I don't think many top managers would have taken that challenge on.
Sitting on our asses would have been to stay at Highbury. That would have been the comfortable, easy way to do things. But we wanted to go to the next level, and the new stadium helped us do that. We had to sacrifice a lot but I think going forward it will have been worth it.
Wenger was achieving top-4 finishes with a midfield of 21-year-olds. And he was mocked then, too. He was being criticized for not winning the league and FA Cup with a team that had Silvestre and Bischoff in it.
I think now, however, we have a good team, and last year we should have done better than 12 points behind Chelsea. We should have done better than a Round of 16 exit in the champions league. But we've won two FA Cups, along with the community shields to go with them. We've finished 4th and then 3rd, putting up some of our best points totals in recent years. I can understand why Wenger would have his job security.
And this season again we have a good team, and we can absolutely build on last season and do better. But let's not obsess over transfers. If Wenger believes in this team then he needs to show that through the results over the season. 5 games into the season people are already talking as if the season is over.
And, I think we've made it very clear that we will spend big money for the right players. I think we've done extremely well in the transfer market for the past two years. Even this summer Cech was a huge coup. Probably added to Mourinho's bitterness. We have to be realistic, though, that top players will not just fall into our laps. We're not Real Madrid or even Man City.
And no matter how good we are, we are still competing against bigger clubs in the league who also have world class players and world class managers. We should be competing for the league, we've shown that we can, but not winning it is not a disaster.
And speaking of Mourinho, he should also have security in this job. It's not just Wenger I defend. I don't think managers are given enough time and are given too much blame when there are several factors at play. I think Mourinho should be saying is that Arsenal are absolutely right to be giving their manager security, and letting him build a team. Every club should do that instead of firing managers by December.
I feel for Brendan Rodgers right now. I'm not sure what Liverpool fans and board are expecting. It's an economic reality that Liverpool are stuck at 5th or 6th behind the big boys. CL football is a very difficult goal.
The only way they are going to get it is if they stick with a manager and give him time to build a team. And maybe Rodgers is shooting himself in the foot with his tactics at the moment, but I think that's the result of the pressure he's been put under.
Excellent Post Xidane. Very thoughtful.
So what you are saying is that
Wenger did not leave Arsenal when the going was tough. He did not care about his reputation and stuck with he club thro thick and thin.
And now the club is repaying what he gave to Arsenal. Repaying it by giving him time and money.
All right. I accept that.
I still think Wenger would not have survived for 2 seasons in a pressure cooker cauldron situation at clubs like Real Madrid etc, due to his tactical limitations. But that is an another discussion.
But dont u think, having all that time and answering to no one and thus not having as much pressure as other top managers, ultimately will lead to complacency and we might also not show the ambition and urgency that we should show.
This transfer window was the classic example of what i said above. If Wenger had someone to answer to with yearly positive targets, am sure he could not have gambled on the CF and DM position. As of now the entire season's outcome will be based on Le Coq staying fit or Theo stepping up. I just find it unacceptable that our manager would gamble like that, when this is the year we HAVE to compete.
And i dont understand, how u can say NOT competing or winning the league is not a disaster. Would u accept another 3rd or 4th and try again?
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chillyheat
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Sep 26 2015, 12:02 PM
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- JustOneDennisBergkamp
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- chillyheat
- Sep 26 2015, 11:56 AM
when you really think about it- its all rather sad innit? point of jodb on here to chat bout footy, reveal secret identities, police posters or disclose your sexual urges/fantasies/ to us? seriously, which one it is? or trying to muddy waters so posters can forget bout your eye biting take on chelsea game.....actually admonishing wenger & gabriel!!! chilli be getting off laughing hyena laugh at memories of your epic stupidity. can't touch it. untouchable stupidity at it's worstest.
Yeah, by comparison, you're a real beacon of light around here. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Still laughing at ur stupidity. truthfully, wot was jodb thought process on that???
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
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Sep 26 2015, 06:21 PM
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- JustOneDennisBergkamp
- Sep 26 2015, 11:58 AM
- chillyheat
- Sep 26 2015, 11:56 AM
when you really think about it- its all rather sad innit? point of jodb on here to chat bout footy, reveal secret identities, police posters or disclose your sexual urges/fantasies/ to us? seriously, which one it is? or trying to muddy waters so posters can forget bout your eye biting take on chelsea game.....actually admonishing wenger & gabriel!!! chilli be getting off laughing hyena laugh at memories of your epic stupidity. can't touch it. untouchable stupidity at it's worstest.
Yeah, by comparison, you're a real beacon of light around here. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Still laughing at ur stupidity. truthfully, wot was jodb thought process on that??? Truthfully? You're little fuck face who has to pretend he's someone else to mask his original identity. If that doesn't make you a pathetic clown, I don't know what does.
Cockmuncher.
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dream_team
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Sep 26 2015, 06:51 PM
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- supercollider7
- Sep 26 2015, 11:34 AM
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- Sep 25 2015, 05:06 PM
Looks like someone is a voyeur. Always talking about other managers and other teams.
If Gabriel had acted the way Costa did and cost them the match, he would have wished Gabriel died on the pitch (yes he has wished that on a player before).
But anyway, Wenger has his job security because he has earned it. Simple as that. He needs to focus on spending Abramovich's money a little better and less on what Arsenal are up to. Might help him keep his job past Christmas.
I agree, he called Wenger Voyeur and now he is the one who is talkin bout Wenger all the time. Jose's rants about Wenger is getting boring. And really annoying. Such a classless prick. Regarding your comment on 'Wenger has his security' because he has earned it. Sure. Earn it for 3 years, 4 years, heck 5 years without competing. But 10+ years and not even competing is just too much time. Am not even talkin about winning the league. Just competing. The last time we competed was in 07-08. Even then werent we out of the reckoning by March? Mourin might be an a$$ but he is totally right. This kind of security is the reason, our manager sits on his ass instead of spending and taking the squad to the next level.
"Not competing" for 10 years including a lot of time spent selling our best players without funds to replace them. Do you know what Mourinho would do in that situation? He would leave. He is not interesting in team-building, in serving a club, he is only interested in winnng himself medals. Which is perfectly good, but Wenger has achieved something great and I don't think many top managers would have taken that challenge on. Sitting on our asses would have been to stay at Highbury. That would have been the comfortable, easy way to do things. But we wanted to go to the next level, and the new stadium helped us do that. We had to sacrifice a lot but I think going forward it will have been worth it. Wenger was achieving top-4 finishes with a midfield of 21-year-olds. And he was mocked then, too. He was being criticized for not winning the league and FA Cup with a team that had Silvestre and Bischoff in it. I think now, however, we have a good team, and last year we should have done better than 12 points behind Chelsea. We should have done better than a Round of 16 exit in the champions league. But we've won two FA Cups, along with the community shields to go with them. We've finished 4th and then 3rd, putting up some of our best points totals in recent years. I can understand why Wenger would have his job security. And this season again we have a good team, and we can absolutely build on last season and do better. But let's not obsess over transfers. If Wenger believes in this team then he needs to show that through the results over the season. 5 games into the season people are already talking as if the season is over. And, I think we've made it very clear that we will spend big money for the right players. I think we've done extremely well in the transfer market for the past two years. Even this summer Cech was a huge coup. Probably added to Mourinho's bitterness. We have to be realistic, though, that top players will not just fall into our laps. We're not Real Madrid or even Man City. And no matter how good we are, we are still competing against bigger clubs in the league who also have world class players and world class managers. We should be competing for the league, we've shown that we can, but not winning it is not a disaster. And speaking of Mourinho, he should also have security in this job. It's not just Wenger I defend. I don't think managers are given enough time and are given too much blame when there are several factors at play. I think Mourinho should be saying is that Arsenal are absolutely right to be giving their manager security, and letting him build a team. Every club should do that instead of firing managers by December. I feel for Brendan Rodgers right now. I'm not sure what Liverpool fans and board are expecting. It's an economic reality that Liverpool are stuck at 5th or 6th behind the big boys. CL football is a very difficult goal. The only way they are going to get it is if they stick with a manager and give him time to build a team. And maybe Rodgers is shooting himself in the foot with his tactics at the moment, but I think that's the result of the pressure he's been put under. Because Bischoff ever kicked a ball for Arsenal?? You really need to stop adding gabbage to a post which might have been reasonable...
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Sep 27 2015, 05:15 AM
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- Sep 25 2015, 02:50 PM
Mourinho, along with many of the Sack Wenger Brigade, thinks apples and oranges taste alike. There is no comparing the clubs and tenures of these two managers. One is a mercenary, the other, an architect.
Architect for what? Failing every year? We are winning jack shit this year. Again. What excuse will u give now, Mr JODB? Gawd! the lengths to which Wenger fanboys defend our manager.
Just tuned in, and here you are getting a bit too big for your britches. You have neither the capacity nor the tenacity for cyber combat with me, klown, so bugger off if you want to talk smack like this. Typical dumb arse shite from another history challenged SLG. I yawn at your perspectiveless taunting, and stand 100% by my post and my manager.
Have you been watching " A few Good Men " again ? Your Jack Nicholson impersonation doesn't wash over the fact that your claiming Wenger as an architect is way off the mark. If he is an architect either the investors or Wenger doesn't trust himself to stump up the money to build his dream . His building has never gotten past the foundations. You can no longer hide behind the argument [ not that it was ever valid] that you had no money to spend on players, there is a 200 million cash reserve , probably the biggest in football, just sat there. SAF did have several lean years spending wise, like the year they sold CR7 & lost Tevez, but he still competed for [won] the title. Don't get me wrong, I think Wenger is an excellent football manager & I think Arsenal are the 2nd best attacking team in the league & he is also finally, in the twilight of his career, learning that defence is every bit as important as attack . You could say he has finally learnt how to design a foundation. I have noticed a definite swing over the past couple or 3 seasons from you on Wenger. I am not sure if its genuine support for Wenger or simply an excuse to don those cyber gloves of yours, but you were as critical of Wenger as anybody here [ with a few notable exceptions] & yet 3 seasons on, no real progress despite masses of money sitting in the bank & quite a bit spent & you are now a self proclaimed Wengerite Kamy has never insulted you, or anyone that I can remember , so when this thread goes South don't come on here apologising for other posters causing the fights & then pathetically setting up fight threads as some kind of fake appeasement when you are THE most guilty of starting the fights.
Yawn. And pay attention more often. Kamy ain't no angel, especially with me in the past. You apparently read through this forum as selectively as he does if you think otherwise. Of course, had you ben called out in a similar fashion, you would have responded with respect and kindness and never would have gone straight to insults. Right. Spare me your admonishment, hypocrite. Compared to a mercenary twat like Jose, Wenger is both architect and builder at The Arsenal. Cheers. As usual you don't deal with any of the points I raise, you just don those gloves [not that you are that handy with them] Explain how Wenger is an architect & builder when Arsenal have not progressed at all in a decade since the defence he inherited disappeared .
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Sep 27 2015, 10:02 AM
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Mourinho, along with many of the Sack Wenger Brigade, thinks apples and oranges taste alike. There is no comparing the clubs and tenures of these two managers. One is a mercenary, the other, an architect.
Architect for what? Failing every year? We are winning jack shit this year. Again. What excuse will u give now, Mr JODB? Gawd! the lengths to which Wenger fanboys defend our manager.
Just tuned in, and here you are getting a bit too big for your britches. You have neither the capacity nor the tenacity for cyber combat with me, klown, so bugger off if you want to talk smack like this. Typical dumb arse shite from another history challenged SLG. I yawn at your perspectiveless taunting, and stand 100% by my post and my manager.
Have you been watching " A few Good Men " again ? Your Jack Nicholson impersonation doesn't wash over the fact that your claiming Wenger as an architect is way off the mark. If he is an architect either the investors or Wenger doesn't trust himself to stump up the money to build his dream . His building has never gotten past the foundations. You can no longer hide behind the argument [ not that it was ever valid] that you had no money to spend on players, there is a 200 million cash reserve , probably the biggest in football, just sat there. SAF did have several lean years spending wise, like the year they sold CR7 & lost Tevez, but he still competed for [won] the title. Don't get me wrong, I think Wenger is an excellent football manager & I think Arsenal are the 2nd best attacking team in the league & he is also finally, in the twilight of his career, learning that defence is every bit as important as attack . You could say he has finally learnt how to design a foundation. I have noticed a definite swing over the past couple or 3 seasons from you on Wenger. I am not sure if its genuine support for Wenger or simply an excuse to don those cyber gloves of yours, but you were as critical of Wenger as anybody here [ with a few notable exceptions] & yet 3 seasons on, no real progress despite masses of money sitting in the bank & quite a bit spent & you are now a self proclaimed Wengerite Kamy has never insulted you, or anyone that I can remember , so when this thread goes South don't come on here apologising for other posters causing the fights & then pathetically setting up fight threads as some kind of fake appeasement when you are THE most guilty of starting the fights.
Yawn. And pay attention more often. Kamy ain't no angel, especially with me in the past. You apparently read through this forum as selectively as he does if you think otherwise. Of course, had you ben called out in a similar fashion, you would have responded with respect and kindness and never would have gone straight to insults. Right. Spare me your admonishment, hypocrite. Compared to a mercenary twat like Jose, Wenger is both architect and builder at The Arsenal. Cheers.
As usual you don't deal with any of the points I raise, you just don those gloves [not that you are that handy with them] Explain how Wenger is an architect & builder when Arsenal have not progressed at all in a decade since the defence he inherited disappeared . Still here? Stupid hypocrites like you get no real conversation from me. How many first strike "fuckwits" have you launched? Shall we use the search feature here to find out just how big of a stinkin' hypocrite you are?
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Sep 27 2015, 10:51 AM
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Kamy,
I don't doubt that Wenger wouldn't have survived more than a few years at a club like RM. No manager does. I don't think Wenger is so tactically limited that he couldn't have succeeded there. Real Madrid have always wanted him.
And I don't think Wenger has no one to answer to. I mean, there was David Dein until 2007. Gadizis has been around since 2009. And I don't think either of those guys are going to take orders from Wenger, even if Gazidis isn't as football literate as Dein was.
You need people around you to question you and challenge you, but everyone has a natural drive to succeed. Wenger was winning trophies until 2004, he wouldn't suddenly stop wanting to win and be okay with finishing 3rd or 4th.
And complacency or lack of bosses hardly explains our decline post-2004. David Dein was still around when we dismantled the Invincibles side. He was there when Henry was sold to Barca.
And it hardly explains our lack of signings this summer either. I think we have smart leadership at the club that allow the manager to make the signings he needs. We are better off that way than the board forcing Wenger to spend money. I have no doubt Wenger will spend on players he likes.
But anyway, right now I'm obviously not satisfied with how our league and CL campaigns have gone. We can and should do better. I understand we may not win, but we have to compete, we have to be closer to the leaders.
In a bad season, Man City or Chelsea usually get around 80 points. We haven't hit that mark since 2008. So that's what we need to get back to. We need to be an 80+ point team. I think if we keep everyone fit we can absolutely manage that.
And Pizzy, what is gabbage? Anyway, Bischoff did play for us once or twice. But Bischoff is not the point. I'm sure you know that.
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