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John Stones and the team that ran away with the title 3 months ago!
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Sep 12 2015, 07:11 PM
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Sep 12 2015, 06:53 PM
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Sep 12 2015, 06:29 PM
I doubt anyone sane expects this Chelsea team to continue playing like this! They have too much quality to live in 17th place, its just a matter of time before they start firing.
No comment on John Stones? as I recall you were one of those (the 2nd time) bashing me for saying he's better than Hummels
And you deserved it because you didnt say he could be better. You said he already was. Get it???
Yes I said he already is and I'm still saying the same thing about 4 months later, Stones IS BETTER than Hummels, got it?
Edited by dream_team, Sep 13 2015, 04:28 PM.
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BTW Pizzy, you were Chelsea's biggest cheerleader last season . The problem isn't a lack of ability, but a lack of the hunger they showed last season. So by your logic Chelsea need a massive clear out ?
read the OP and you'll see the word "hunger" in there...
Chelsea are suffering from a team lacking hunger and some players who are declining fast basically SAME thing that happened to United the season after fergie left...
Utd had replacements for the players 'declining fast" apart from at LB. You were saying the team needed a major overhaul.So clearly you feel the same way about Chelsea now.
Name them!
Replacement for Carrick?
Replacement for Giggs?
Replacement for Evra?
Replacements for BOTH Ferdinand and Vidic?

and also you might want to consider where those players you refer to as "replacements" are now...
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So we are barely into the season and you want to compare this chelsea team to our team under moyes? Give your head a massive shake. Lets see if chelsea finishes in 7th place before we make those comparisons. And if you really think moyes is that good im guessing you want him to take over for wenger? I didnt think so
forget about Moyes for a second, the point here is the ridiculous believe is that a team that ran away with the title the season before can't struggle the next season, Chelsea are already 10 points behind the leaders with just 5 games played which means they are already out of the title race..so a team that ran away with the title 3 months ago are out of it the next season by week 5!
And I see you made no mention of John Stones, eating your words mate?
You are the wrong person to be calling people out for opinions. What is your take on Alexis again ?

Nuff said

hahahaha he's trying to change the topic, Alexis is everything I said he was.
So again what happened to Chelsea a team that ran away with the title 3 months ago, since you and sadler thinks it's impossible for a team that won the title can struggle big time the next season.
And are you still LOLing at "John Stones being better than Hummels" eh?
No, just playing at being Pizzy
So tell me again, what exactly is Alexis ? You still don't rate him ? You think Arsenal are better without him in the team ? & for the record I have never rated Hummels highly 7 if you had any sort of recall you would know this but whilst I do not rate Hummels, I do rate him higher as a CB than your mate Sideshow Luiz.
stick to the topic the defenders we are talking about here is John Stones and Matt hummels, still no word from you from John Stones, should I take that as you admitting you were wrong about Stones, and you laughing at me that he was better than hummels look ridiculous now.
I still don't know if Stones is better than Hummels. Stones had a great game and has all the makings of being a great defender. But we weren't talking about today. We were talking about last year. And at that time Stones was NOT a better defender. You weren't talking about potential. You were talking about the present. And neither Stones or Luiz were better than Hummels. Stones could possibly be, but I haven't seen enough of either (and either have you). But I have seen plenty of sideshow bob to know that he's isn't better than Johnny fucking Evans never mind Matt Hummels lol
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Sep 12 2015, 09:26 PM
Just like Pizzy, to indignantly call people out on the basis of one result but somehow miss the opportunity to acknowledge that one of his bĂȘte noirs [Martinez] is playing a blinder.

John Stones is one of the most exciting prospects I have seen. How does a centre half do a cruyff turn?

Huh???
I'm struggling to understand that one too lol, perhaps Santry can speak in a language that we all understand :D
Sometimes he just tried way to hard to be witty. Just say what you fucking mean Santry. We get it. You're smarter than everyone here. Not stop being such a fucking idiot and speak in English lol
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BTW Pizzy, you were Chelsea's biggest cheerleader last season . The problem isn't a lack of ability, but a lack of the hunger they showed last season. So by your logic Chelsea need a massive clear out ?
read the OP and you'll see the word "hunger" in there...
Chelsea are suffering from a team lacking hunger and some players who are declining fast basically SAME thing that happened to United the season after fergie left...
Utd had replacements for the players 'declining fast" apart from at LB. You were saying the team needed a major overhaul.So clearly you feel the same way about Chelsea now.
Name them!
Replacement for Carrick?
Replacement for Giggs?
Replacement for Evra?
Replacements for BOTH Ferdinand and Vidic?

and also you might want to consider where those players you refer to as "replacements" are now...
Jones and Smalling are the starting centre halves, and they were already with the team getting plenty of starts. Carrick hasn't been replaced. in fact, against Liverpool both he and Bastian started while Carrick's "replacement" was on the bench. Giggs by that point was very much a bit part player. That really only leaves LB as the position that really needed replacing. But that was only because we let Evra go too early in my opinion. I think he should still be with the squad, and it would only be this year where Shaw would end up getting more games than him...
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I doubt anyone sane expects this Chelsea team to continue playing like this! They have too much quality to live in 17th place, its just a matter of time before they start firing.
No comment on John Stones? as I recall you were one of those (the 2nd time) bashing me for saying he's better than Hummels
And you deserved it because you didnt say he could be better. You said he already was. Get it???
Yes I said he already is and I'm still saying the same thing about 4 months later, Stones IS BETTER than Hummels, got it?
I'm sorry, but you cannot say that a guy who wasn't even a guaranteed starter for Everton last year was better than Hummels. You are getting potential confused with talent that already exists. And I know you will continue to argue this because heaven forbid you admit you were wrong about something. Either way, I'm done with this conversation. I never said anything negatory about Stones. I just said that at the time he wasn't better, and he wasn't. Is he better now? Perhaps. But he is NOT England's best centre half right now like you claimed. That honour would go to Chris Smalling...
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So we are barely into the season and you want to compare this chelsea team to our team under moyes? Give your head a massive shake. Lets see if chelsea finishes in 7th place before we make those comparisons. And if you really think moyes is that good im guessing you want him to take over for wenger? I didnt think so
forget about Moyes for a second, the point here is the ridiculous believe is that a team that ran away with the title the season before can't struggle the next season, Chelsea are already 10 points behind the leaders with just 5 games played which means they are already out of the title race..so a team that ran away with the title 3 months ago are out of it the next season by week 5!
And I see you made no mention of John Stones, eating your words mate?
You are the wrong person to be calling people out for opinions. What is your take on Alexis again ?

Nuff said

hahahaha he's trying to change the topic, Alexis is everything I said he was.
So again what happened to Chelsea a team that ran away with the title 3 months ago, since you and sadler thinks it's impossible for a team that won the title can struggle big time the next season.
And are you still LOLing at "John Stones being better than Hummels" eh?
No, just playing at being Pizzy
So tell me again, what exactly is Alexis ? You still don't rate him ? You think Arsenal are better without him in the team ? & for the record I have never rated Hummels highly 7 if you had any sort of recall you would know this but whilst I do not rate Hummels, I do rate him higher as a CB than your mate Sideshow Luiz.
stick to the topic the defenders we are talking about here is John Stones and Matt hummels, still no word from you from John Stones, should I take that as you admitting you were wrong about Stones, and you laughing at me that he was better than hummels look ridiculous now.
I haven't avoided anything, I have said that although I don't rate Hummels, he is a better CB than Luiz. As for Stones, are you proclaiming him on the strength of Naismiths hatrick to be a great Cb ? Jagielka had a better game than Stones so do you rate him a World beater ?

Nobody here has denied Stones has potential, but in typical pizzy fashion you take one result & base everything on that. mind you, you are the same poster who also said Arsenal are better without Alexis, so forgive me for not taking you too seriously
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So we are barely into the season and you want to compare this chelsea team to our team under moyes? Give your head a massive shake. Lets see if chelsea finishes in 7th place before we make those comparisons. And if you really think moyes is that good im guessing you want him to take over for wenger? I didnt think so
forget about Moyes for a second, the point here is the ridiculous believe is that a team that ran away with the title the season before can't struggle the next season, Chelsea are already 10 points behind the leaders with just 5 games played which means they are already out of the title race..so a team that ran away with the title 3 months ago are out of it the next season by week 5!
And I see you made no mention of John Stones, eating your words mate?
You are the wrong person to be calling people out for opinions. What is your take on Alexis again ?

Nuff said

hahahaha he's trying to change the topic, Alexis is everything I said he was.
So again what happened to Chelsea a team that ran away with the title 3 months ago, since you and sadler thinks it's impossible for a team that won the title can struggle big time the next season.
And are you still LOLing at "John Stones being better than Hummels" eh?
No, just playing at being Pizzy
So tell me again, what exactly is Alexis ? You still don't rate him ? You think Arsenal are better without him in the team ? & for the record I have never rated Hummels highly 7 if you had any sort of recall you would know this but whilst I do not rate Hummels, I do rate him higher as a CB than your mate Sideshow Luiz.
stick to the topic the defenders we are talking about here is John Stones and Matt hummels, still no word from you from John Stones, should I take that as you admitting you were wrong about Stones, and you laughing at me that he was better than hummels look ridiculous now.
I haven't avoided anything, I have said that although I don't rate Hummels, he is a better CB than Luiz. As for Stones, are you proclaiming him on the strength of Naismiths hatrick to be a great Cb ? Jagielka had a better game than Stones so do you rate him a World beater ?

Nobody here has denied Stones has potential, but in typical pizzy fashion you take one result & base everything on that. mind you, you are the same poster who also said Arsenal are better without Alexis, so forgive me for not taking you too seriously
If I was using this ONE game to judge that Stones is better than Hummels then I wouldn't have said he was better than Hummels. I've watched him since he burst unto the scene in 13/14, and I've seen enough to know he's better than Hummels..
P.S if you want to talk about Alexis, start a new thread on this! This thread IS about John Stones in comparison to Hummels and I see you're trying very hard to avoid it since it appears you have egg on your face
Edited by dream_team, Sep 14 2015, 04:54 AM.
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So we are barely into the season and you want to compare this chelsea team to our team under moyes? Give your head a massive shake. Lets see if chelsea finishes in 7th place before we make those comparisons. And if you really think moyes is that good im guessing you want him to take over for wenger? I didnt think so
forget about Moyes for a second, the point here is the ridiculous believe is that a team that ran away with the title the season before can't struggle the next season, Chelsea are already 10 points behind the leaders with just 5 games played which means they are already out of the title race..so a team that ran away with the title 3 months ago are out of it the next season by week 5!
And I see you made no mention of John Stones, eating your words mate?
You are the wrong person to be calling people out for opinions. What is your take on Alexis again ?

Nuff said

hahahaha he's trying to change the topic, Alexis is everything I said he was.
So again what happened to Chelsea a team that ran away with the title 3 months ago, since you and sadler thinks it's impossible for a team that won the title can struggle big time the next season.
And are you still LOLing at "John Stones being better than Hummels" eh?
No, just playing at being Pizzy
So tell me again, what exactly is Alexis ? You still don't rate him ? You think Arsenal are better without him in the team ? & for the record I have never rated Hummels highly 7 if you had any sort of recall you would know this but whilst I do not rate Hummels, I do rate him higher as a CB than your mate Sideshow Luiz.
stick to the topic the defenders we are talking about here is John Stones and Matt hummels, still no word from you from John Stones, should I take that as you admitting you were wrong about Stones, and you laughing at me that he was better than hummels look ridiculous now.
I still don't know if Stones is better than Hummels. Stones had a great game and has all the makings of being a great defender. But we weren't talking about today. We were talking about last year. And at that time Stones was NOT a better defender. You weren't talking about potential. You were talking about the present. And neither Stones or Luiz were better than Hummels. Stones could possibly be, but I haven't seen enough of either (and either have you). But I have seen plenty of sideshow bob to know that he's isn't better than Johnny fucking Evans never mind Matt Hummels lol
He was a better defender then, just because Hummels agent was shopping him around doesn't make him better, while in reality no one was really interested in signing an overrated defender at the price they were asking...
Edited by dream_team, Sep 14 2015, 03:59 AM.
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I doubt anyone sane expects this Chelsea team to continue playing like this! They have too much quality to live in 17th place, its just a matter of time before they start firing.
No comment on John Stones? as I recall you were one of those (the 2nd time) bashing me for saying he's better than Hummels
And you deserved it because you didnt say he could be better. You said he already was. Get it???
Yes I said he already is and I'm still saying the same thing about 4 months later, Stones IS BETTER than Hummels, got it?
I'm sorry, but you cannot say that a guy who wasn't even a guaranteed starter for Everton last year was better than Hummels. You are getting potential confused with talent that already exists. And I know you will continue to argue this because heaven forbid you admit you were wrong about something. Either way, I'm done with this conversation. I never said anything negatory about Stones. I just said that at the time he wasn't better, and he wasn't. Is he better now? Perhaps. But he is NOT England's best centre half right now like you claimed. That honour would go to Chris Smalling...
He was but it's obvious you haven't been watching John Stones.

"He suffered an ankle injury against Manchester United on 5 October, ruling him out for between 10 and 14 weeks"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stones#2014.E2.80.9315_season

that's why he missed a lot of games Sadler, he was a guaranteed starter!
Edited by dream_team, Sep 14 2015, 04:03 AM.
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