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John Stones and the team that ran away with the title 3 months ago!
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Sep 12 2015, 10:01 AM
dream_team
Sep 12 2015, 08:50 AM
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Sep 12 2015, 08:43 AM
What happened u ask? They fucking suck and I love every second of it. I don't even care why they suck. I'm just happy about it.
I'm comparing it to man utd under Moyes, because according to some people it's impossible to go from a team that ran away with the title to a struggling team the next season
I know dream. I've had the same fight with Billa and Sadler about this. That argument might be the only one where me and Santry agreed on something. LOL
I think the current City team prove you both wrong. same personnel as last season, when everybody, including both you & I Pizzy, said they were a spent force, getting too old & badly in need of new blood. Here we are, 5 games in & no goals conceded & 5 straight wins with that same team plus one wildly overrated squad player they added. The desire is back .Kompany , Toure & even Silva look revitalised .

Nobody saw this happening to Chelsea, so how can you say you saw it happening at Utd ? & Utd did have replacements for the ageing defenders apart from Evra. Now, if Chelsea turn this around what would be the chances of Pizzy saying he was wrong ?? Probably about the same as JODB admitting what a jackass he was saying he would rather Arsenal lose 10-0 in the CL KO stages than win the Europa League

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Sep 14 2015, 11:38 PM
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Sep 14 2015, 06:17 AM
I don't understand how anyone could defend Moyes. I saw the match where he had United cross the ball 82 times against the bottom club Fulham with my mate who's a United fan, it was a joke. If I had been at Old Trafford I would've walked out at halftime. Then I think they played us at the Emirates, a few days after we had just been smashed by Liverpool and rather than get at us, Moyes had them parking the bus and playing some of the safest, slowest football I've seen from a Utd team. The last game I watched of them under Moyes was the 0-3 loss they had to City. There was absolutely nothing to his team. No tactical cohesion, no defensive solidity, no creativity, nothing. At that point the manager has to take the blame, even if United had an aging squad there's no excuse for what Moyes had them doing.

Secondly, during the run United had set season where they beat Spurs, Liverpool, and City, the players LvG used were all there the previous season, except Blind and Herrera. Now I don't know about you, but I don't think Blind and Herrera are the sole reason for transforming a 7th place side that loses 0-3 to one that comprehensively wins 4-2. You have to give credit to LvG there.
except that Liverpool and City were A FAR worse team than they were the previous here, if LVG had played the Liverpool team that had suarez plus fit sturridge the previous year, they'll get smashed 3-0. And LVG ain't beating the title winning man city team in a month of sundays. The man city team was shocking last season!!
Now the point I've been making(unlike Santry) is that LVG is just as bad as Moyes, I'm not saying either of the two is any good...
I didnt realizr saurez and sturridge were so good defensively
Because when Suarez left and Sturbridge was injured for life, it was their defence which got worse and not their aattack, give your head a shake...
But you said that if those two were there it would have been 3-0. Considering we won 4-2 (I tihnk) then that would mean that with Suarez and Sturridge 4 goals would have been wiped out, meaning that they help the defense. I'm shaking my head really hard but I still don't get it. How would it have been 3-0 instead of 4-2 if those two were there???
First of all don't be silly you know what I meant, I didn't mean it would be exactly 3-0 but that the scoreline will be very similar.
Ever head of the term "the best form of defence is attack!?? eh? when Liverpool had suarez and Sturridge they played a high tempo game, suffocating the team which means their opponents attack less and hence score less meaning United will be unable to score 4 if Suarez and Sturridge were playing got it?
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Sep 14 2015, 01:40 PM
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Sep 14 2015, 06:17 AM
I don't understand how anyone could defend Moyes. I saw the match where he had United cross the ball 82 times against the bottom club Fulham with my mate who's a United fan, it was a joke. If I had been at Old Trafford I would've walked out at halftime. Then I think they played us at the Emirates, a few days after we had just been smashed by Liverpool and rather than get at us, Moyes had them parking the bus and playing some of the safest, slowest football I've seen from a Utd team. The last game I watched of them under Moyes was the 0-3 loss they had to City. There was absolutely nothing to his team. No tactical cohesion, no defensive solidity, no creativity, nothing. At that point the manager has to take the blame, even if United had an aging squad there's no excuse for what Moyes had them doing.

Secondly, during the run United had set season where they beat Spurs, Liverpool, and City, the players LvG used were all there the previous season, except Blind and Herrera. Now I don't know about you, but I don't think Blind and Herrera are the sole reason for transforming a 7th place side that loses 0-3 to one that comprehensively wins 4-2. You have to give credit to LvG there.
except that Liverpool and City were A FAR worse team than they were the previous here, if LVG had played the Liverpool team that had suarez plus fit sturridge the previous year, they'll get smashed 3-0. And LVG ain't beating the title winning man city team in a month of sundays. The man city team was shocking last season!!
Now the point I've been making(unlike Santry) is that LVG is just as bad as Moyes, I'm not saying either of the two is any good...
Utd did beat that title winning City team, 4=1 last season . As you pointed out yourself, they kept the same team, & have played with the same team this year as well, apart from signing that overrated kid who is no better than Gnabry or Welbeck
no they won 4-2 yes it might be the same personnel, but definitely not the same team Dzeko was none existence compared to the previous season when he was fantastic, Yaya Toure lost his brother, was sulking all season and african cup of nations didn't help matters. Zabaleta and Kompany (due to persistent injury of course) were all over the place all season surely you can see this.
And this season has been different Mangala and Sagna hardly played last season this season they've step up their game, Kompany looks like he's got over his injury problems and look refreshed. I don't even know what this season got to do with this we're talking about the city team united played last year and the year before, I guess you'll jump at any chance to talk about Sterling who has been average so far, and not playing anywhere near a guy that deserves 150k a week never mind the 200k he's getting. Please start a fresh thread on Sterling and don't try change the topic ...
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Sep 15 2015, 12:28 AM
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Sep 12 2015, 10:01 AM
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Sep 12 2015, 08:43 AM
What happened u ask? They fucking suck and I love every second of it. I don't even care why they suck. I'm just happy about it.
I'm comparing it to man utd under Moyes, because according to some people it's impossible to go from a team that ran away with the title to a struggling team the next season
I know dream. I've had the same fight with Billa and Sadler about this. That argument might be the only one where me and Santry agreed on something. LOL
I think the current City team prove you both wrong. same personnel as last season, when everybody, including both you & I Pizzy, said they were a spent force, getting too old & badly in need of new blood. Here we are, 5 games in & no goals conceded & 5 straight wins with that same team plus one wildly overrated squad player they added. The desire is back .Kompany , Toure & even Silva look revitalised .

Nobody saw this happening to Chelsea, so how can you say you saw it happening at Utd ? & Utd did have replacements for the ageing defenders apart from Evra. Now, if Chelsea turn this around what would be the chances of Pizzy saying he was wrong ?? Probably about the same as JODB admitting what a jackass he was saying he would rather Arsenal lose 10-0 in the CL KO stages than win the Europa League

Not sure anyone said they were a spent force, they were getting too old and if you just think about this more you'll realise
1)New blood has been playing their part so far, Sterling despite not playing well gives them something they lack , Mangala has stepped up to replace the OLD demichelis and if there was no De bruyne and Kelechi at the weekend they would have drew that game, that's new blood for you Billabog

2)And yaya Toure is getting OLD, He's 32 FFS, there's a reason you're not a football manager, if you notice there's was a period last season that man city went on a run, so they are well capable of going on a run which is what they've basically done at the start of the season. The real issue is that they can't go for a whole season, hence the NEED for new bloods, trust me Yaya Toure won't be like this all season, he's going to go on a run where he'll be non existent and trust me without the new bloods, Sterling,De bruyne,Delph, Kelechi, Otamendi they would drop a lot of points.
Notice there are FIVE names there and not just England SAVIOUR...
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Bog still avoiding talking about John Stones lol
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Sep 15 2015, 04:06 AM
Bog still avoiding talking about John Stones lol
Idon't know why you keep saying that!?!? Nobody ever said anything bad about him. Nobody. But you are making it out like we did. We all said that he has potential and could be a great player. Many would say that Hummels is world class. I don't think you will find many who will say that about Stones still. Most will say he has the potential to be world class, but again, this is potential. You seem to think that you've had some "eureka" moment that didn't really happen lol
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Sep 15 2015, 03:56 AM
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Sep 14 2015, 01:40 PM
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Sep 14 2015, 06:17 AM
I don't understand how anyone could defend Moyes. I saw the match where he had United cross the ball 82 times against the bottom club Fulham with my mate who's a United fan, it was a joke. If I had been at Old Trafford I would've walked out at halftime. Then I think they played us at the Emirates, a few days after we had just been smashed by Liverpool and rather than get at us, Moyes had them parking the bus and playing some of the safest, slowest football I've seen from a Utd team. The last game I watched of them under Moyes was the 0-3 loss they had to City. There was absolutely nothing to his team. No tactical cohesion, no defensive solidity, no creativity, nothing. At that point the manager has to take the blame, even if United had an aging squad there's no excuse for what Moyes had them doing.

Secondly, during the run United had set season where they beat Spurs, Liverpool, and City, the players LvG used were all there the previous season, except Blind and Herrera. Now I don't know about you, but I don't think Blind and Herrera are the sole reason for transforming a 7th place side that loses 0-3 to one that comprehensively wins 4-2. You have to give credit to LvG there.
except that Liverpool and City were A FAR worse team than they were the previous here, if LVG had played the Liverpool team that had suarez plus fit sturridge the previous year, they'll get smashed 3-0. And LVG ain't beating the title winning man city team in a month of sundays. The man city team was shocking last season!!
Now the point I've been making(unlike Santry) is that LVG is just as bad as Moyes, I'm not saying either of the two is any good...
Utd did beat that title winning City team, 4=1 last season . As you pointed out yourself, they kept the same team, & have played with the same team this year as well, apart from signing that overrated kid who is no better than Gnabry or Welbeck
no they won 4-2 yes it might be the same personnel, but definitely not the same team Dzeko was none existence compared to the previous season when he was fantastic, Yaya Toure lost his brother, was sulking all season and african cup of nations didn't help matters. Zabaleta and Kompany (due to persistent injury of course) were all over the place all season surely you can see this.
And this season has been different Mangala and Sagna hardly played last season this season they've step up their game, Kompany looks like he's got over his injury problems and look refreshed. I don't even know what this season got to do with this we're talking about the city team united played last year and the year before, I guess you'll jump at any chance to talk about Sterling who has been average so far, and not playing anywhere near a guy that deserves 150k a week never mind the 200k he's getting. Please start a fresh thread on Sterling and don't try change the topic ...
Good point about the Africa Cup of Nations. I'd forgotten the negative effect that had on City.

Of course, Aguero is now out though it sounds like only a minor knock. Injuries or an energy draining deeper run in the CL seem right now to be the only things that could slow City down. Silva missed the Crystal Palace game and look what (nearly) happened.
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Sep 15 2015, 09:19 AM
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Sep 15 2015, 04:06 AM
Bog still avoiding talking about John Stones lol
Idon't know why you keep saying that!?!? Nobody ever said anything bad about him. Nobody. But you are making it out like we did. We all said that he has potential and could be a great player. Many would say that Hummels is world class. I don't think you will find many who will say that about Stones still. Most will say he has the potential to be world class, but again, this is potential. You seem to think that you've had some "eureka" moment that didn't really happen lol
Actually a lot already are, and I haven't heard a lot of people calling Hummels world class apart from Hummels people. And BTW I find it funny how you think I'm wrong because I said Stones was better than Hummels about four months ago and not now. Because stones have improves massively since May right ? LOL. He WAS and he IS better than Matt fckin Hummels...
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Sep 15 2015, 10:41 AM
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Bog still avoiding talking about John Stones lol
Idon't know why you keep saying that!?!? Nobody ever said anything bad about him. Nobody. But you are making it out like we did. We all said that he has potential and could be a great player. Many would say that Hummels is world class. I don't think you will find many who will say that about Stones still. Most will say he has the potential to be world class, but again, this is potential. You seem to think that you've had some "eureka" moment that didn't really happen lol
Actually a lot already are, and I haven't heard a lot of people calling Hummels world class apart from Hummels people. And BTW I find it funny how you think I'm wrong because I said Stones was better than Hummels about four months ago and not now. Because stones have improves massively since May right ? LOL. He WAS and he IS better than Matt fckin Hummels...
Would someone please explain to piz what potential means. Stones is definitely the treat of the week. Will he keep it up? I hope so. Is he proven? No. Is Hummels proven? Yes. Does Stones have the potential to be a better player? Yes. Is he currently playing better? Yes. Does that make him a better player? No. Keep it up and he will be though.
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Sep 15 2015, 02:25 PM
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Sep 15 2015, 10:41 AM
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Sep 15 2015, 09:19 AM
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Sep 15 2015, 04:06 AM
Bog still avoiding talking about John Stones lol
Idon't know why you keep saying that!?!? Nobody ever said anything bad about him. Nobody. But you are making it out like we did. We all said that he has potential and could be a great player. Many would say that Hummels is world class. I don't think you will find many who will say that about Stones still. Most will say he has the potential to be world class, but again, this is potential. You seem to think that you've had some "eureka" moment that didn't really happen lol
Actually a lot already are, and I haven't heard a lot of people calling Hummels world class apart from Hummels people. And BTW I find it funny how you think I'm wrong because I said Stones was better than Hummels about four months ago and not now. Because stones have improves massively since May right ? LOL. He WAS and he IS better than Matt fckin Hummels...
Would someone please explain to piz what potential means. Stones is definitely the treat of the week. Will he keep it up? I hope so. Is he proven? No. Is Hummels proven? Yes. Does Stones have the potential to be a better player? Yes. Is he currently playing better? Yes. Does that make him a better player? No. Keep it up and he will be though.
All I know is John Stones has proven he's better than Matt fckin Hummels....
Edited by dream_team, Sep 16 2015, 06:04 AM.
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