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We're probably going to need to win the three remaining games against the non-Bayern teams to qualify. Maybe a road draw against Olympiakos if we can snake a point off Bayern (or maybe rack up goal difference? I can't remember how tie breaks work in the group stage).
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It's either that or we get East German's scenario of playing Dinamo Metallurgist Minsk on Thursday evenings. Of course, maybe his scenario from a few months back comes to fruition then. I better book my flight to Basel now!
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Didn't actually get to see any of this one, but I was pretty alarmed by the amount of changes to the starting 11. Sounds like Giroud really let us down. On the bright side, it'll be good for Walcott's confidence to get a goal and in the long run of qualification for the knockout rounds, this result doesn't change much.
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Sep 16 2015, 07:32 PM
Plain and simple, Wenger, the players, the supporters and most of the footballing world took Dinamo too lightly. Wenger thought he could get away with Arteta for Le Coq among other changes. The players were lulled into a sense of false confidence by the ease with which they were operating early in the match. And none of us saw this coming, particularly the meltdown of the BLF.

Arsenal was the better football team that shot themselves in the foot repeatedly today. I saw all those Gunners standing in front of the goal on that header. Sure, I guess that they were covering their zones, but if just one had been sticking to the jersey of the scorer, that nail in the coffin could have been avoided.

Changed side or no, everyone, players and coaches alike, needs to look themselves in the mirror and candidly assess their focus and decision making. Some serious soul searching and recommitment will be necessary to have this group ready for success against Chelski on Saturday.
Save this. With a few name changes I'm sure you'll be able to use it at least a couple of more times this season. This club produces far too many of this kind of performance.
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Sep 17 2015, 09:17 AM
Didn't actually get to see any of this one, but I was pretty alarmed by the amount of changes to the starting 11. Sounds like Giroud really let us down. On the bright side, it'll be good for Walcott's confidence to get a goal and in the long run of qualification for the knockout rounds, this result doesn't change much.
There was plenty of talent on the field. A team of Artetas and Chamberlains could have won. Was all about lack of heart and effort. And brains.
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
Sep 16 2015, 07:32 PM
Plain and simple, Wenger, the players, the supporters and most of the footballing world took Dinamo too lightly. Wenger thought he could get away with Arteta for Le Coq among other changes. The players were lulled into a sense of false confidence by the ease with which they were operating early in the match. And none of us saw this coming, particularly the meltdown of the BLF.

Arsenal was the better football team that shot themselves in the foot repeatedly today. I saw all those Gunners standing in front of the goal on that header. Sure, I guess that they were covering their zones, but if just one had been sticking to the jersey of the scorer, that nail in the coffin could have been avoided.

Changed side or no, everyone, players and coaches alike, needs to look themselves in the mirror and candidly assess their focus and decision making. Some serious soul searching and recommitment will be necessary to have this group ready for success against Chelski on Saturday.
Save this. With a few name changes I'm sure you'll be able to use it at least a couple of more times this season. This club produces far too many of this kind of performance.
Acknowledging, of course, that Wenger is my lord and master, I'm gonna offer him some advice that I gave him a few years ago.

Scare 'em!

If ever there was an opportunity to play bad cop to the good cop that he normally portrays, this is it. As you mention, what happened yesterday was something that is far too familiar. I wouldn't let Giroud back into training, let alone on to the pitch, until he offered a sincere apology to the entire team. I would reinforce that with a hefty fine and a few weeks duty as an equipment boy. His selfish and stupid behavior was akin to Diaby at Castle for me.

The rest of the side needs to be put on notice that absent full matches of concentration and top tier effort, match time is not available no matter how much was spent to acquire any player. At the end of the Stoke match, I saw Wenger screaming at Ozil for another shit job of tracking back, and then the German was substituted a few minutes later. It was my hope that Wenger had decided right then to pull Ozil and that it was not a scheduled substitution.

The players need a reminder that they are paid handsomely for the privilege of wearing the best looking kit on the planet, and that none of them will be spared having their asses nailed to the bench if they can't maintain focus during every second they are on the pitch.
Edited by JustOneDennisBergkamp, Sep 17 2015, 10:56 AM.
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Sep 17 2015, 10:54 AM
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Sep 17 2015, 10:30 AM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Sep 16 2015, 07:32 PM
Plain and simple, Wenger, the players, the supporters and most of the footballing world took Dinamo too lightly. Wenger thought he could get away with Arteta for Le Coq among other changes. The players were lulled into a sense of false confidence by the ease with which they were operating early in the match. And none of us saw this coming, particularly the meltdown of the BLF.

Arsenal was the better football team that shot themselves in the foot repeatedly today. I saw all those Gunners standing in front of the goal on that header. Sure, I guess that they were covering their zones, but if just one had been sticking to the jersey of the scorer, that nail in the coffin could have been avoided.

Changed side or no, everyone, players and coaches alike, needs to look themselves in the mirror and candidly assess their focus and decision making. Some serious soul searching and recommitment will be necessary to have this group ready for success against Chelski on Saturday.
Save this. With a few name changes I'm sure you'll be able to use it at least a couple of more times this season. This club produces far too many of this kind of performance.
Acknowledging, of course, that Wenger is my lord and master, I'm gonna offer him some advice that I gave him a few years ago.

Scare 'em!

If ever there was an opportunity to play bad cop to the good cop that he normally portrays, this is it. As you mention, what happened yesterday was something that is far too familiar. I wouldn't let Giroud back into training, let alone on to the pitch, until he offered a sincere apology to the entire team. I would reinforce that with a hefty fine and a few weeks duty as an equipment boy. His selfish and stupid behavior was akin to Diaby at Castle for me.

The rest of the side needs to be put on notice that absent full matches of concentration and top tier effort, match time is not available no matter how much was spent to acquire any player. At the end of the Stoke match, I saw Wenger screaming at Ozil for another shit job of tracking back, and then the German was substituted a few minutes later. It was my hope that Wenger had decided right then to pull Ozil and that it was not a scheduled substitution.

The players need a reminder that they are paid handsomely for the privilege of wearing the best looking kit on the planet, and that none of them will be spared having their asses nailed to the bench if they can't maintain focus during every second they are on the pitch.
I agree with what you've said but I don't think he's reading your emails. And I don't think we can reasonably expect any change from him. If we could, we'd have seen it by now. It's efforts like these - not results, but efforts - that make me wonder who we might get to replace him.

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Sep 17 2015, 10:54 AM
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Sep 16 2015, 07:32 PM
Plain and simple, Wenger, the players, the supporters and most of the footballing world took Dinamo too lightly. Wenger thought he could get away with Arteta for Le Coq among other changes. The players were lulled into a sense of false confidence by the ease with which they were operating early in the match. And none of us saw this coming, particularly the meltdown of the BLF.

Arsenal was the better football team that shot themselves in the foot repeatedly today. I saw all those Gunners standing in front of the goal on that header. Sure, I guess that they were covering their zones, but if just one had been sticking to the jersey of the scorer, that nail in the coffin could have been avoided.

Changed side or no, everyone, players and coaches alike, needs to look themselves in the mirror and candidly assess their focus and decision making. Some serious soul searching and recommitment will be necessary to have this group ready for success against Chelski on Saturday.
Save this. With a few name changes I'm sure you'll be able to use it at least a couple of more times this season. This club produces far too many of this kind of performance.
Acknowledging, of course, that Wenger is my lord and master, I'm gonna offer him some advice that I gave him a few years ago.

Scare 'em!

If ever there was an opportunity to play bad cop to the good cop that he normally portrays, this is it. As you mention, what happened yesterday was something that is far too familiar. I wouldn't let Giroud back into training, let alone on to the pitch, until he offered a sincere apology to the entire team. I would reinforce that with a hefty fine and a few weeks duty as an equipment boy. His selfish and stupid behavior was akin to Diaby at Castle for me.

The rest of the side needs to be put on notice that absent full matches of concentration and top tier effort, match time is not available no matter how much was spent to acquire any player. At the end of the Stoke match, I saw Wenger screaming at Ozil for another shit job of tracking back, and then the German was substituted a few minutes later. It was my hope that Wenger had decided right then to pull Ozil and that it was not a scheduled substitution.

The players need a reminder that they are paid handsomely for the privilege of wearing the best looking kit on the planet, and that none of them will be spared having their asses nailed to the bench if they can't maintain focus during every second they are on the pitch.
To me Wenger brought this on himself with the squad he selected and the lack of summer fortifications, not just in the obvious ways, as it would be clearly nice to have a competent striker and an actual athlete that can cover the DM spot when Coquelin is absent or needs rest, those are clear. The problem is the message that those actions conveyed to the team: 1) with the squad selection: This is going to be a walkover, we don't even need Ramsey or Bellerin on the plane; just go out there and Zagreb with shriek with fear and we'll nab a few goals and skate out of Croatia. 2) with the lack of signings: Don't worry Giroud your spot is safe no matter how horrible your attitude is on and off the pitch, just don't blow all of your scoring chances.... You could really see it from the off yesterday, the lads (save Sanchez who always at least looks the part) looked like they were sleepwalking and disengaged.

I'm all for reading them the riot act for all the good it would do, but I think the problem is much more ingrained than you can yell out of the squad...
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Sep 17 2015, 10:51 AM
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Sep 17 2015, 09:17 AM
Didn't actually get to see any of this one, but I was pretty alarmed by the amount of changes to the starting 11. Sounds like Giroud really let us down. On the bright side, it'll be good for Walcott's confidence to get a goal and in the long run of qualification for the knockout rounds, this result doesn't change much.
There was plenty of talent on the field. A team of Artetas and Chamberlains could have won. Was all about lack of heart and effort. And brains.
I can't recall Arsene Wenger rotating that much and getting a result.
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Sep 17 2015, 11:47 AM
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Sep 17 2015, 10:54 AM
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Sep 16 2015, 07:32 PM
Plain and simple, Wenger, the players, the supporters and most of the footballing world took Dinamo too lightly. Wenger thought he could get away with Arteta for Le Coq among other changes. The players were lulled into a sense of false confidence by the ease with which they were operating early in the match. And none of us saw this coming, particularly the meltdown of the BLF.

Arsenal was the better football team that shot themselves in the foot repeatedly today. I saw all those Gunners standing in front of the goal on that header. Sure, I guess that they were covering their zones, but if just one had been sticking to the jersey of the scorer, that nail in the coffin could have been avoided.

Changed side or no, everyone, players and coaches alike, needs to look themselves in the mirror and candidly assess their focus and decision making. Some serious soul searching and recommitment will be necessary to have this group ready for success against Chelski on Saturday.
Save this. With a few name changes I'm sure you'll be able to use it at least a couple of more times this season. This club produces far too many of this kind of performance.
Acknowledging, of course, that Wenger is my lord and master, I'm gonna offer him some advice that I gave him a few years ago.

Scare 'em!

If ever there was an opportunity to play bad cop to the good cop that he normally portrays, this is it. As you mention, what happened yesterday was something that is far too familiar. I wouldn't let Giroud back into training, let alone on to the pitch, until he offered a sincere apology to the entire team. I would reinforce that with a hefty fine and a few weeks duty as an equipment boy. His selfish and stupid behavior was akin to Diaby at Castle for me.

The rest of the side needs to be put on notice that absent full matches of concentration and top tier effort, match time is not available no matter how much was spent to acquire any player. At the end of the Stoke match, I saw Wenger screaming at Ozil for another shit job of tracking back, and then the German was substituted a few minutes later. It was my hope that Wenger had decided right then to pull Ozil and that it was not a scheduled substitution.

The players need a reminder that they are paid handsomely for the privilege of wearing the best looking kit on the planet, and that none of them will be spared having their asses nailed to the bench if they can't maintain focus during every second they are on the pitch.
To me Wenger brought this on himself with the squad he selected and the lack of summer fortifications, not just in the obvious ways, as it would be clearly nice to have a competent striker and an actual athlete that can cover the DM spot when Coquelin is absent or needs rest, those are clear. The problem is the message that those actions conveyed to the team: 1) with the squad selection: This is going to be a walkover, we don't even need Ramsey or Bellerin on the plane; just go out there and Zagreb with shriek with fear and we'll nab a few goals and skate out of Croatia. 2) with the lack of signings: Don't worry Giroud your spot is safe no matter how horrible your attitude is on and off the pitch, just don't blow all of your scoring chances.... You could really see it from the off yesterday, the lads (save Sanchez who always at least looks the part) looked like they were sleepwalking and disengaged.

I'm all for reading them the riot act for all the good it would do, but I think the problem is much more ingrained than you can yell out of the squad...
Though he will likely continue to be the supportive manager that he is publicly, I think he might be far more pissed off at many of his charges than he lets on. I hope he at least either came down hard or is going to on the BLF in public. I hope/think he may let it be known in private that anything short of 100% focus for 100% of the match will see consequences for offenders.

The first time Ozil gives a less than half-hearted effort on defense, he should be yanked immediately to both correct his behavior and to serve as an example to the rest of the squad.

It's time to take the whip to this race horse.
Edited by JustOneDennisBergkamp, Sep 17 2015, 12:17 PM.
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