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KamyFC
Sep 30 2015, 12:07 AM
I think this seeding change is a 'game changer' for Arsene's proud record CL record of reaching the knockout stages.

Now we will always have 1 or in worst cases 2 Giant teams, in the group stages.
In previous season's 1 or 2 losses, could mean we could always claw back by winning the 'gimme' games against sh!te opposition.

Now we have Bayern awaiting us and there is no margin for error.

The pressure is upped a few notches in the group stage itself and we are seeing the mental breakdown.
You might not need to worry about future seedings in the CL groups. England is on the verge of losing the 4th CL spot, so given Arsenals previous history of 4th place finishes either Wenger will have to raise the bar on achievement or it will be Thursday night night football from now on .
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Sep 29 2015, 09:51 PM
billabog5
Sep 29 2015, 07:52 PM
Much as I would to just laugh at Arsenal the fact is this malaise goes well beyond the Emirates. So far Orem teams have lost 5 out of 6 games in which all were strong favourites to win . Is the Orem that hard that it's making it so difficult to get up for these midweek games or is the Premiership simply lagging way behind other countries tactically?
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Where would you expect teams like Zagreb, PSV, Porto & Olympiakos to be in the Premier League ? [ if i type Prem on my iPhone it seems to automatically get changed to Orem unless I just have fat fingers]

Initially I dismiss them out of hand based simply on the massive amount of money spent in the prem on both managers & players, could this be one of the problems ? A lack of true desire ?

If City & Utd lose tomorrow then it will be hard to blame the intensity of the Prem as both German teams are struggling & they haven't had the luxury of easy games leading into the CL fixtures

With Utd i see it as an easy game plan for the opposition. Cede territory, stay organised in defence , counter with pace. I can already envisage Utd dominating the 1st 30 minutes & not having decent goal attempt whilst Wolfsburg, feeding on scraps, will create at least a couple of very decent openings before Utd trouble their defence at all
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Let's be serious. We are getting nothing from Bayern. Likely 1 point, the best this team is capable of is 4. Wenger will never win a cl in his lifetime. It saddens me to accept that Wenger will never win a premiership either.
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I watched the game.
I cannot understand how we started panicking again while defending.

I thought we were slowly getting drilled into a defensive unit and at last Wenger could get his team to defend as a team when we dont have the ball.

The way we conceded the 3rd goal, rolled the years back, sadly for us.
They go forward, we were stretched, our defenders were caught out and were rushing into the box, their player pulls the ball back.
There is a big hole in the edge of the box, No one was marking the player, who had all the time and space to shoot.

Cambiasso had all the time to lob a player in lots of space. BFG could not cut out the cross.
It was just a mess.

We had Le Coq. So not having him, cannot be an excuse.
I just dont get it. We were well drilled even when we were down to 10 men against Chel$kie.

So why do we find Wenger's team making mistakes like this over the years, when the pressure is on.
It has to be mental thing. I dont know, Something bout occasion that makes Wenger nervous and it transmits to his players???

Extremely disappointing.
We are lucky we are not facing Levandowski next week. We have an international break, hopefully his form is not as devastating as it is now.

Bayern at home is a must win for us.
Edited by KamyFC, Sep 30 2015, 04:22 AM.
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Joe Bobs Fine Foods
Sep 29 2015, 03:53 PM
Don't get me wrong - no excuse for player selection and absolutely too loyal to his players - but how can the manager be blamed for the second goal? Ospina is a world class keeper. That is just freaky.

But the let downs after goals...no leadership...
Ospina a world class keeper?? L-O-FCKIN-L
And first of all Wenger is the one that selects Ospina hence he'll take the blame for any fuck up, he know fully well that Ospina is capable of this brainfarts
Secondly no one is blaming Wenger for the second goal they are blaming him for the DEFEAT.

You really need to stick to drawing cartoons or is it 'Arts' you call it?
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tallsmile28
Sep 29 2015, 08:22 PM
billabog5
Sep 29 2015, 07:52 PM
Much as I would to just laugh at Arsenal the fact is this malaise goes well beyond the Emirates. So far Orem teams have lost 5 out of 6 games in which all were strong favourites to win . Is the Orem that hard that it's making it so difficult to get up for these midweek games or is the Premiership simply lagging way behind other countries tactically
Baring a miracle, the EPL is going to lose a CL spot.
Italy isn't doing well either only 2 teams made it to the group stage and I think only Juve will make it to the round of 16. I still fancy 3 EPL teams making it into the round of 16.
Edited by dream_team, Sep 30 2015, 04:32 AM.
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billabog5
Sep 30 2015, 12:20 AM
KamyFC
Sep 30 2015, 12:07 AM
I think this seeding change is a 'game changer' for Arsene's proud record CL record of reaching the knockout stages.

Now we will always have 1 or in worst cases 2 Giant teams, in the group stages.
In previous season's 1 or 2 losses, could mean we could always claw back by winning the 'gimme' games against sh!te opposition.

Now we have Bayern awaiting us and there is no margin for error.

The pressure is upped a few notches in the group stage itself and we are seeing the mental breakdown.
You might not need to worry about future seedings in the CL groups. England is on the verge of losing the 4th CL spot, so given Arsenals previous history of 4th place finishes either Wenger will have to raise the bar on achievement or it will be Thursday night night football from now on .
Lose 4th spot to who?? surely can't be to a country who most likely will have only one team in the round of 16 this year...
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new thread for this.
Edited by dream_team, Sep 30 2015, 06:31 AM.
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If Wenger had any sense of what's best for the club, he'd put in his resignation for the end of the season. That would give the club plenty of time to find a replacement (while beating the manager rush that will happen in the spring) as well as give the players the motivation to 'win one for the gaffer'.
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Sep 29 2015, 11:51 PM
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Sep 29 2015, 10:16 PM
A lot of people slate Wenger for playing Ramsey on the right, but think for a moment: At which times this season have we looked ridiculously open?

When he's not playing wide right, pinching in and helping form a midfield 4.

I think playing Ramsey on the right might be the necessary sacrifice for playing Cazorla deep.
I think it's time to re-think the idea of playing Cazorla deep, I really don't think he gives us that much more distribution than Ramsey would and he is not scoring or assisting on goals right now. I think midfield scoring is one of the larger issues we are facing right now. Ramsey has at least scored proficiently from that spot before, though he isn't currently in the best spell of form. I would play Ramsey and Coquelin at the base of midfield and rotate Cazorla and Ozil as the number 10, even moving Ozil out left occasionally and playing with a front line of Ozil-Walcott-Sanchez. I would also like to see Wenger re-visit the possibility of playing Sanchez through the center and try a front line of Ozil-Sanchez-Ox.
He isn't scoring but he hasn't been for a year or so now. He has been assisting though.

And I agree about goals from the midfield being a problem right now, but I mainly put that on Ozil. I wouldn't mind rotating him and Ozil or using Ozil out left, but I think at this point, Walcott is showing enough promise to keep his place there. His learning curve seems to have lessened considerably over the last few performances.
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