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I believe English teams are struggling in Europe

Because of how rich English teams are, they are refusing to sell players to another English club, especially one they considers as rivals. For example Berahinho will make spurs better, hence give them a better chance in the Europa league hence improve english teams coefficient in Europe, but West brom won't sell!. Everton won't sell Stones to Chelsea, Southampton who are already out in Europe won't sell Wanyama to Spurs etc I doubt if Getafe will refuse to sell players to Sevilla for example..

Secondly the home grown rule, currently the English grassroot sucks and English teams are now forced to buy average English players so they can meet the quota, infact they probably have it at the back of their mind that FA may even make the rule stricter so they've got to be careful how many foreigners they bring in. I think that might have played a part in Chelsea transfer dealing I believed they already had the maximum number of foreigners in their team hence they had to loan out players before they can buy, by the time they finished loaning out the best foreign import they could get was papy djilobodji! Although I think a major part of Chelsea's poor summer activity also has to do with overconfidence thinking the current players are good enough, why they can't improve on Mikel Obi for example ,I don't understand. City on the other hand could have bought Griezmann for example but because there's a limit to the number of foreigners you must have in your squad they had to settle for a lesser player in Sterling.

I think Generally English clubs are buying poorly part of which is due to the stupid homegrown rule by the FA and partly also due to useless "Technical directors" or "Directors of football" they employ at their club. Maybe they should get rid of these guys and invest in scouts who can go look for top talents in Europe and South america (if the clueless FA give them a work permit....)

And lastly can the FA get rid of the capital one cup?? It's huge distraction or maybe allow the top clubs to pull out if they're not interested.
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Sep 30 2015, 06:32 AM
I believe English teams are struggling in Europe

Because of how rich English teams are, they are refusing to sell players to another English club, especially one they considers as rivals. For example Berahinho will make spurs better, hence give them a better chance in the Europa league hence improve english teams coefficient in Europe, but West brom won't sell!. Everton won't sell Stones to Chelsea, Southampton who are already out in Europe won't sell Wanyama to Spurs etc I doubt if Getafe will refuse to sell players to Sevilla for example..

Secondly the home grown rule, currently the English grassroot sucks and English teams are now forced to buy average English players so they can meet the quota, infact they probably have it at the back of their mind that FA may even make the rule stricter so they've got to be careful how many foreigners they bring in. I think that might have played a part in Chelsea transfer dealing I believed they already had the maximum number of foreigners in their team hence they had to loan out players before they can buy, by the time they finished loaning out the best foreign import they could get was papy djilobodji! Although I think a major part of Chelsea's poor summer activity also has to do with overconfidence thinking the current players are good enough, why they can't improve on Mikel Obi for example ,I don't understand. City on the other hand could have bought Griezmann for example but because there's a limit to the number of foreigners you must have in your squad they had to settle for a lesser player in Sterling.

I think Generally English clubs are buying poorly part of which is due to the stupid homegrown rule by the FA and partly also due to useless "Technical directors" or "Directors of football" they employ at their club. Maybe they should get rid of these guys and invest in scouts who can go look for top talents in Europe and South america (if the clueless FA give them a work permit....)

And lastly can the FA get rid of the capital one cup?? It's huge distraction or maybe allow the top clubs to pull out if they're not interested.
"Secondly the home grown rule, currently the English grassroot sucks and English teams are now forced to buy average English players so they can meet the quota"

Bullshit, absolute bullshit

You are judging these "average"players against the multimillion dollar top drawer foreign stars being bought at the big clubs. All these "average" players are England Internationals. I have to assume you are talking about players that actually get game time in the CL. Name one English, or homegrown player, at any of the clubs in the CL that ISN"T an International.

I then read further down & see this "I don't understand. City on the other hand could have bought Griezmann for example but because there's a limit to the number of foreigners you must have in your squad they had to settle for a lesser player in Sterling."

This is just yet another vehicle for you to stick the boot into Sterling. You really are one sad fuck Pizzy.







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Sep 30 2015, 01:24 PM
dream_team
Sep 30 2015, 06:32 AM
I believe English teams are struggling in Europe

Because of how rich English teams are, they are refusing to sell players to another English club, especially one they considers as rivals. For example Berahinho will make spurs better, hence give them a better chance in the Europa league hence improve english teams coefficient in Europe, but West brom won't sell!. Everton won't sell Stones to Chelsea, Southampton who are already out in Europe won't sell Wanyama to Spurs etc I doubt if Getafe will refuse to sell players to Sevilla for example..

Secondly the home grown rule, currently the English grassroot sucks and English teams are now forced to buy average English players so they can meet the quota, infact they probably have it at the back of their mind that FA may even make the rule stricter so they've got to be careful how many foreigners they bring in. I think that might have played a part in Chelsea transfer dealing I believed they already had the maximum number of foreigners in their team hence they had to loan out players before they can buy, by the time they finished loaning out the best foreign import they could get was papy djilobodji! Although I think a major part of Chelsea's poor summer activity also has to do with overconfidence thinking the current players are good enough, why they can't improve on Mikel Obi for example ,I don't understand. City on the other hand could have bought Griezmann for example but because there's a limit to the number of foreigners you must have in your squad they had to settle for a lesser player in Sterling.

I think Generally English clubs are buying poorly part of which is due to the stupid homegrown rule by the FA and partly also due to useless "Technical directors" or "Directors of football" they employ at their club. Maybe they should get rid of these guys and invest in scouts who can go look for top talents in Europe and South america (if the clueless FA give them a work permit....)

And lastly can the FA get rid of the capital one cup?? It's huge distraction or maybe allow the top clubs to pull out if they're not interested.
"Secondly the home grown rule, currently the English grassroot sucks and English teams are now forced to buy average English players so they can meet the quota"

Bullshit, absolute bullshit

You are judging these "average"players against the multimillion dollar top drawer foreign stars being bought at the big clubs. All these "average" players are England Internationals. I have to assume you are talking about players that actually get game time in the CL. Name one English, or homegrown player, at any of the clubs in the CL that ISN"T an International.

I then read further down & see this "I don't understand. City on the other hand could have bought Griezmann for example but because there's a limit to the number of foreigners you must have in your squad they had to settle for a lesser player in Sterling."

This is just yet another vehicle for you to stick the boot into Sterling. You really are one sad fuck Pizzy.







Still waiting for the angry little ant to back this load of bollocks up
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commendable beginings. let's see if this mushrooms beyond carpetbaggar land.

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The most superficial of all accounts of what holds back English players.

The most nonsensical of all accounts of what may be affecting English teams.

Oh well, where brain cells go to die lonely - a Piz post.
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Sep 30 2015, 01:24 PM
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Sep 30 2015, 06:32 AM
I believe English teams are struggling in Europe

Because of how rich English teams are, they are refusing to sell players to another English club, especially one they considers as rivals. For example Berahinho will make spurs better, hence give them a better chance in the Europa league hence improve english teams coefficient in Europe, but West brom won't sell!. Everton won't sell Stones to Chelsea, Southampton who are already out in Europe won't sell Wanyama to Spurs etc I doubt if Getafe will refuse to sell players to Sevilla for example..

Secondly the home grown rule, currently the English grassroot sucks and English teams are now forced to buy average English players so they can meet the quota, infact they probably have it at the back of their mind that FA may even make the rule stricter so they've got to be careful how many foreigners they bring in. I think that might have played a part in Chelsea transfer dealing I believed they already had the maximum number of foreigners in their team hence they had to loan out players before they can buy, by the time they finished loaning out the best foreign import they could get was papy djilobodji! Although I think a major part of Chelsea's poor summer activity also has to do with overconfidence thinking the current players are good enough, why they can't improve on Mikel Obi for example ,I don't understand. City on the other hand could have bought Griezmann for example but because there's a limit to the number of foreigners you must have in your squad they had to settle for a lesser player in Sterling.

I think Generally English clubs are buying poorly part of which is due to the stupid homegrown rule by the FA and partly also due to useless "Technical directors" or "Directors of football" they employ at their club. Maybe they should get rid of these guys and invest in scouts who can go look for top talents in Europe and South america (if the clueless FA give them a work permit....)

And lastly can the FA get rid of the capital one cup?? It's huge distraction or maybe allow the top clubs to pull out if they're not interested.
"Secondly the home grown rule, currently the English grassroot sucks and English teams are now forced to buy average English players so they can meet the quota"

Bullshit, absolute bullshit

You are judging these "average"players against the multimillion dollar top drawer foreign stars being bought at the big clubs. All these "average" players are England Internationals. I have to assume you are talking about players that actually get game time in the CL. Name one English, or homegrown player, at any of the clubs in the CL that ISN"T an International.

I then read further down & see this "I don't understand. City on the other hand could have bought Griezmann for example but because there's a limit to the number of foreigners you must have in your squad they had to settle for a lesser player in Sterling."

This is just yet another vehicle for you to stick the boot into Sterling. You really are one sad fuck Pizzy.







"You are judging these "average"players against the multimillion dollar top drawer foreign stars being bought at the big club"


WTF so who should we judge them on?? Who should I compare James Wilson to if not the likes of Martial and Depay, who should I compare Sterling to if not De Bruyne, silva etc who should I compare Wilshere to if not Ozil, Cazorla etc

Now back to the ACTUAL point I was making before you posted this drivel, yes English clubs are now forced to buy average English players when they can get foreign players for cheaper. Wenger in a MILLION years will never buy a teenage defender who is no where near ready for 16million pounds, the FA forced him to do so. Not in a million years will man city or any football club for that matter not even Real Madrid spend roughly £50mil on a player who doesn't even know how to shoot a football properly yet. Griezmann is MILES ahead of Sturridge and if not for the stupid homegrown rule he's the kind of player they would have been looking at when they have 50mil to spend on a single player. The city management must be thanking their stars they got de Brunel because Sterling has shown nothing to suggest he can lift city, even the BT commentators were saying on Wednesday that "forget the price tag, if you claim to be a star, then it's in games like the Mochenglabach games where the team was somewhat struggling that you need to lift your team" they went further that for a supposed "star" he should be getting more goals and assists, Griezman can do all this Raheem can't...


Wtf is them being international have to with this?, roughly 60% of what you'll call England 23 man squad are average footballers
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I really cant believe you have wrote such rubbish Pizzy. I honestly used to think you had a good knowledge of football but this latest thread is beyond ridiculous

The Premier League entices more foreign stars than any other league in Europe & has less homegrown players than all the other leagues by a huge distance . The problem has absolutely nothing to do with the homegrown rule. In fact, just go back & look at the team sheets of all the recent winners & find one with less homegrown players than the English sides fielded this week .

You really need to let go of your ridiculous hatred of Sterling, which seems to be driving this lunacy of yours. Your post was as pointless & stupid as saying Arsenal would have had a better chance of beating Olympiakos if they had Messi & Ronaldo playing in place of Theo & the Ox

Judge them on the teams beating them, not on a who's who of World footballs football superstars who you rate higher than Sterling .In fact Sterling has been every bit as good, probably better than Aguerro this season, Aguerro, who I rate the only player I would have above Alexis in the Premier league has been dreadful in front of goal & has missed a ton of chances, many set up by Sterling. if you actually watched the games as a neutral instead of simply feeding your hate frenzy for Sterling you would see that .

You don't get what being Internationals has to do with it?

Ok , I will walk you through it you simpleton

Look at the 5 games the English teams have lost & tell me how many of those players from Zagreb, Olympiakos, PSV or Porto would get into the England team . England are a very good team, so if you are an England International you are no mug.
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Oct 2 2015, 12:43 AM
I really cant believe you have wrote such rubbish Pizzy. I honestly used to think you had a good knowledge of football but this latest thread is beyond ridiculous

The Premier League entices more foreign stars than any other league in Europe & has less homegrown players than all the other leagues by a huge distance . The problem has absolutely nothing to do with the homegrown rule. In fact, just go back & look at the team sheets of all the recent winners & find one with less homegrown players than the English sides fielded this week .

You really need to let go of your ridiculous hatred of Sterling, which seems to be driving this lunacy of yours. Your post was as pointless & stupid as saying Arsenal would have had a better chance of beating Olympiakos if they had Messi & Ronaldo playing in place of Theo & the Ox

Judge them on the teams beating them, not on a who's who of World footballs football superstars who you rate higher than Sterling .In fact Sterling has been every bit as good, probably better than Aguerro this season, Aguerro, who I rate the only player I would have above Alexis in the Premier league has been dreadful in front of goal & has missed a ton of chances, many set up by Sterling. if you actually watched the games as a neutral instead of simply feeding your hate frenzy for Sterling you would see that .

You don't get what being Internationals has to do with it?

Ok , I will walk you through it you simpleton

Look at the 5 games the English teams have lost & tell me how many of those players from Zagreb, Olympiakos, PSV or Porto would get into the England team . England are a very good team, so if you are an England International you are no mug.
I don't know what channels you've been watching your football, but I tell you what start watching skysports, bbc, or bt sports and let me know if the pundits/commentators/ex footballers agree with you that Sterling has had an "excellent" start to the season LOL.

And who's denying that Aguero has had a poor start to the season, the point which seems to be flying over your head is Aguero has PROVED he's better than this, Sterling hasn't, his performance so far this season is no different from the one last season at Liverpool got it????? or do I have to use stencils and crayons.

FFS why do you always have to nitpick?? I wasn't just referring to Arsenal only.
BTW even when Wenger (whom you rate highly) had the likes of Henry,Pires,Bergkamp,Vieira etc his performance was dreadful
I was referring to English teams in general, yes it does apply to Arsenal as I think no stupid homegrown rule no Welbeck or Chambers, we'll be signing better value outside England
It also does apply to Man city, who could have bought better players with the £49mil they blew on Sterling
Chelsea simply couldn't buy because they've gone over the limit of foreign players, so they had to sort out loaning these players first before they could buy, and by the time they did so it was too late to buy a top class player, only one they could get was pedro.

Another point which seems to be flying over your head is that compared to Germany and Spai England, France lack top top players hence fielding just one average English player can have a significant effect on the team. Hence the homegrown players fielded by Real, bayern, Psg and Barca are actually top top.
I'm not surprised you ignored the other reasons I gave for English clubs struggles, like investing in more scouts, like smaller teams refusing to sell to bigger clubs because of the new influx of money,getting rid of the clueless directors of football and getting rid of the Capital one cup

Of course you'll be more interested in a discussion involving your man crush
Edited by dream_team, Oct 2 2015, 04:06 AM.
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Oct 1 2015, 03:10 PM
The most superficial of all accounts of what holds back English players.

The most nonsensical of all accounts of what may be affecting English teams.

Oh well, where brain cells go to die lonely - a Piz post.
so santry the directors of football in the EPL are not making bad decisions?
The capital one cup which increases the number of games played by this top teams does not have an effect?
The scouts of the top clubs are finding gems???
come on now even by your ridiculously low standards this is awful...
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Oct 2 2015, 04:03 AM
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Oct 2 2015, 12:43 AM
I really cant believe you have wrote such rubbish Pizzy. I honestly used to think you had a good knowledge of football but this latest thread is beyond ridiculous

The Premier League entices more foreign stars than any other league in Europe & has less homegrown players than all the other leagues by a huge distance . The problem has absolutely nothing to do with the homegrown rule. In fact, just go back & look at the team sheets of all the recent winners & find one with less homegrown players than the English sides fielded this week .

You really need to let go of your ridiculous hatred of Sterling, which seems to be driving this lunacy of yours. Your post was as pointless & stupid as saying Arsenal would have had a better chance of beating Olympiakos if they had Messi & Ronaldo playing in place of Theo & the Ox

Judge them on the teams beating them, not on a who's who of World footballs football superstars who you rate higher than Sterling .In fact Sterling has been every bit as good, probably better than Aguerro this season, Aguerro, who I rate the only player I would have above Alexis in the Premier league has been dreadful in front of goal & has missed a ton of chances, many set up by Sterling. if you actually watched the games as a neutral instead of simply feeding your hate frenzy for Sterling you would see that .

You don't get what being Internationals has to do with it?

Ok , I will walk you through it you simpleton

Look at the 5 games the English teams have lost & tell me how many of those players from Zagreb, Olympiakos, PSV or Porto would get into the England team . England are a very good team, so if you are an England International you are no mug.
I don't know what channels you've been watching your football, but I tell you what start watching skysports, bbc, or bt sports and let me know if the pundits/commentators/ex footballers agree with you that Sterling has had an "excellent" start to the season LOL.

And who's denying that Aguero has had a poor start to the season, the point which seems to be flying over your head is Aguero has PROVED he's better than this, Sterling hasn't, his performance so far this season is no different from the one last season at Liverpool got it????? or do I have to use stencils and crayons.

FFS why do you always have to nitpick?? I wasn't just referring to Arsenal only.
BTW even when Wenger (whom you rate highly) had the likes of Henry,Pires,Bergkamp,Vieira etc his performance was dreadful
I was referring to English teams in general, yes it does apply to Arsenal as I think no stupid homegrown rule no Welbeck or Chambers, we'll be signing better value outside England
It also does apply to Man city, who could have bought better players with the £49mil they blew on Sterling
Chelsea simply couldn't buy because they've gone over the limit of foreign players, so they had to sort out loaning these players first before they could buy, and by the time they did so it was too late to buy a top class player, only one they could get was pedro.

Another point which seems to be flying over your head is that compared to Germany and Spai England, France lack top top players hence fielding just one average English player can have a significant effect on the team. Hence the homegrown players fielded by Real, bayern, Psg and Barca are actually top top.
I'm not surprised you ignored the other reasons I gave for English clubs struggles, like investing in more scouts, like smaller teams refusing to sell to bigger clubs because of the new influx of money,getting rid of the clueless directors of football and getting rid of the Capital one cup

Of course you'll be more interested in a discussion involving your man crush
Did you even read what I wrote ?

Re-read my reply & then read your post & explain to me how what you have wrote correlates with my post but here

When you had Henry, Vieira Pires & Bergkamp you made the CL final

I will ask you again, show me a team who has won the CL with LESS homegrown players that the English teams fielded this week

As for James Wilson ?? WTF has he got to do with this, he hasn't played a minute of CL football

I used Arsenal as a rebuttal to you using City, well not so much City, but your obsession, Sterling. I simply explained to you that any team would have a better chance if they signed the Worlds best players, surely you get that .

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