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WX_Hitman

dream_team
Oct 12 2015, 05:53 AM
billabog5
Oct 1 2015, 01:08 PM
The deepest squad depth doesn't equate to being the best team . Chelsea last season had probably the thinnest squad of the top 4 teams yet won in a canter
Team doesn't win titles, squad does...

P.S funny how all of a sudden Chelsea of last season had the thinnest squad, when the constant garbage being spewed both here and in the media was that "Arsenal do not have the strength in depth to compete with Chelsea and Man city"...
So by that reasoning, last season Chelsea has the deepest squad since they won the league ?
They were hardly rotated. And had few injuries. They had the best starting 11. But a very thin squad


Assuming.

"Team A: Ospina (lookalike) Debuchy (lal) Chambers(lal) Gabriel(lal) Gibbs (lal) Flamster (lal) Arteta (lal) Welbeck (lal) Penguin (lal) Campbell (lal) Giroud (lal)

Team B: Ospina Debuchy Chambers Gabriel Gibbs Flamster Arteta Welbeck Penguin Campbell Giroud

So if squad wins titles, maybe a parallel universe Arsenal with the squad above should win the title, since it's the deepest squad depth.......???? Squad depth winning titles is just another stick to beat Wenger with.

Our starting 11 last season wasn't good enough. Not Giroud,, Coq came only mid season. Ozil and Walcott were injured, even Giroud was injured for quite a while. We got depth last season but an incomplete / missing starting players due to injuries.

And when do we throw $58 million pounds for a 19 years old like Martial ?
Or who is on $300 000 pounds salary on our team ?
http://www.footballgate.com/2014/09/17/the-10-highest-salaries-in-the-barclays-premier-league-in-2014-2015/

We got money to compete, just not enough money to get into a bidding war with Man Shitty , Man U or Chelski. There are still the Madrids, the Bakas, the Monacos , the PSGs and even the Bayern (for the prestige if not money) which are more attractive a destination than Arsenal.

And the money was only available only 2 seasons ago. That being said. If we can keep Walcott, Sanchez, Ozil and Carzola and the Coq rock hard. In addition Mert/ Gab/ Kos (either 2 of the 3 fit for the entire season)
There is no excuse why we should not win the PL this season. CL is another matter. Play well till the next transfer window open and flash some legs at another world class striker (Benzema) since he is not too happy with Benitez, we might actually go another trophyfull run. We got 2 FA cups back to back , not the PL or CL back to back , but still silverware nevertheless, and we can and should build on it.

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WX_Hitman
Oct 12 2015, 07:01 AM
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Oct 12 2015, 05:53 AM
billabog5
Oct 1 2015, 01:08 PM
The deepest squad depth doesn't equate to being the best team . Chelsea last season had probably the thinnest squad of the top 4 teams yet won in a canter
Team doesn't win titles, squad does...

P.S funny how all of a sudden Chelsea of last season had the thinnest squad, when the constant garbage being spewed both here and in the media was that "Arsenal do not have the strength in depth to compete with Chelsea and Man city"...
So by that reasoning, last season Chelsea has the deepest squad since they won the league ?
They were hardly rotated. And had few injuries. They had the best starting 11. But a very thin squad


Assuming.

"Team A: Ospina (lookalike) Debuchy (lal) Chambers(lal) Gabriel(lal) Gibbs (lal) Flamster (lal) Arteta (lal) Welbeck (lal) Penguin (lal) Campbell (lal) Giroud (lal)

Team B: Ospina Debuchy Chambers Gabriel Gibbs Flamster Arteta Welbeck Penguin Campbell Giroud

So if squad wins titles, maybe a parallel universe Arsenal with the squad above should win the title, since it's the deepest squad depth.......???? Squad depth winning titles is just another stick to beat Wenger with.

Our starting 11 last season wasn't good enough. Not Giroud,, Coq came only mid season. Ozil and Walcott were injured, even Giroud was injured for quite a while. We got depth last season but an incomplete / missing starting players due to injuries.

And when do we throw $58 million pounds for a 19 years old like Martial ?
Or who is on $300 000 pounds salary on our team ?
http://www.footballgate.com/2014/09/17/the-10-highest-salaries-in-the-barclays-premier-league-in-2014-2015/

We got money to compete, just not enough money to get into a bidding war with Man Shitty , Man U or Chelski. There are still the Madrids, the Bakas, the Monacos , the PSGs and even the Bayern (for the prestige if not money) which are more attractive a destination than Arsenal.

And the money was only available only 2 seasons ago. That being said. If we can keep Walcott, Sanchez, Ozil and Carzola and the Coq rock hard. In addition Mert/ Gab/ Kos (either 2 of the 3 fit for the entire season)
There is no excuse why we should not win the PL this season. CL is another matter. Play well till the next transfer window open and flash some legs at another world class striker (Benzema) since he is not too happy with Benitez, we might actually go another trophyfull run. We got 2 FA cups back to back , not the PL or CL back to back , but still silverware nevertheless, and we can and should build on it.

Give your head a shake I thought the point of my post were obvious and they were

1)I wasn't talking BS when I said City and Chelsea didn't have a deeper squad than we have
2)Due to the depth and Strength of our Squad we should have finished above Chelsea last season and hence win the league

That you are complaining about Giroud while Jose had to rely on 40 year old Drogba for a good spell last season shows you ain't got no clue of what you're talking about....I guess the Wengerholic will never run out of excuses...
Edited by dream_team, Oct 12 2015, 07:17 AM.
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I'm not sure if we have had the best strength in depth. In fact last season we were criticized in the summer for not signing more players to complete the squad.

In any case, it's not the size of your squad that wins you titles, that's a myth. It's how good your first choice team is that wins you titles.

The best way to win the league is to have a strong core in your team and keep them fit and in form. Chelsea did that. Man City and Arsenal didn't.

If Koscielny, Debuchy, Wilshere, Walcott, Giroud, Arteta, weren't injured for long periods last season, we would have been much more competitive. The reserves are reserves for a reason. In a league where every game is highly competitive, you need put your best XI out every time.


There's this huge myth about rotation. Everyone wants rotation. But I never see the best teams rotating. I could name you Barca's, Madrid's, Chelsea's, City's best teams in a heart beat. Resting one or two players now and then is fine. But you never see wholesale rotation in the league and there's a reason for it.

And as much as we dont' like to say it, there is a clear element of luck in winning the titles. Refereeing decisions don't always "even out." Injuries can completely turn the outlook of the season for teams, and you usually can't control that. And sometimes, lasagna can undo all your efforts in one game.

Chelsea last season did really well to keep all of their players fit and in-form. And when the goals did dry up Mourinho manged them well and they were able to change their approach and grind out wins. And certain things went their way as they often do for title winners.

Arsenal, on the other hand, started the season with Sanogo up front, and Monreal playing CB. We had a keeper who kept making errors. We had our whole first choice midfield and our first choice striker injured, which was downright unfortunate. You can't win a title that way.

The holes in the squad were patched up in January with Gabriel, Bellerin, Coquelin, Walcott coming into the fold. The other injured players came back as well. Not surprisingly the team's form improved and we finished the season relatively strong.

So yeah, maybe not last season but I think this season we have a first XI that is up there with Chelsea and City. Ozil is doing better than ever, Sanchez has been brilliant, and Walcott and Giroud can both score up front.

In terms of depth we probably look better than Chelsea although City probably have the edge there. But that doesn't matter because no matter who they have, they can't replace Aguero and Silva for a month without suffering some loss of form.

And the Aguero injury might be what let's us get our hands on the title this season. Fingers crossed that we're over our injury problems now.


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Oct 1 2015, 11:01 AM
Ok let's get this absolutely straight, we only added Cech this summer, yet last year BEFORE man city shopping spree this summer, I said Arsenal had the best SQUAD in the league, hence Wenger is underachieving , apparently I was talking nonsense.

So now when we basically did nothing in the transfer window, people are all of a sudden now just seeing we have the best squad in the country and we should be winning the league, KMT.
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Oct 12 2015, 07:16 AM
WX_Hitman
Oct 12 2015, 07:01 AM
dream_team
Oct 12 2015, 05:53 AM
billabog5
Oct 1 2015, 01:08 PM
The deepest squad depth doesn't equate to being the best team . Chelsea last season had probably the thinnest squad of the top 4 teams yet won in a canter
Team doesn't win titles, squad does...

P.S funny how all of a sudden Chelsea of last season had the thinnest squad, when the constant garbage being spewed both here and in the media was that "Arsenal do not have the strength in depth to compete with Chelsea and Man city"...
So by that reasoning, last season Chelsea has the deepest squad since they won the league ?
They were hardly rotated. And had few injuries. They had the best starting 11. But a very thin squad


Assuming.

"Team A: Ospina (lookalike) Debuchy (lal) Chambers(lal) Gabriel(lal) Gibbs (lal) Flamster (lal) Arteta (lal) Welbeck (lal) Penguin (lal) Campbell (lal) Giroud (lal)

Team B: Ospina Debuchy Chambers Gabriel Gibbs Flamster Arteta Welbeck Penguin Campbell Giroud

So if squad wins titles, maybe a parallel universe Arsenal with the squad above should win the title, since it's the deepest squad depth.......???? Squad depth winning titles is just another stick to beat Wenger with.

Our starting 11 last season wasn't good enough. Not Giroud,, Coq came only mid season. Ozil and Walcott were injured, even Giroud was injured for quite a while. We got depth last season but an incomplete / missing starting players due to injuries.

And when do we throw $58 million pounds for a 19 years old like Martial ?
Or who is on $300 000 pounds salary on our team ?
http://www.footballgate.com/2014/09/17/the-10-highest-salaries-in-the-barclays-premier-league-in-2014-2015/

We got money to compete, just not enough money to get into a bidding war with Man Shitty , Man U or Chelski. There are still the Madrids, the Bakas, the Monacos , the PSGs and even the Bayern (for the prestige if not money) which are more attractive a destination than Arsenal.

And the money was only available only 2 seasons ago. That being said. If we can keep Walcott, Sanchez, Ozil and Carzola and the Coq rock hard. In addition Mert/ Gab/ Kos (either 2 of the 3 fit for the entire season)
There is no excuse why we should not win the PL this season. CL is another matter. Play well till the next transfer window open and flash some legs at another world class striker (Benzema) since he is not too happy with Benitez, we might actually go another trophyfull run. We got 2 FA cups back to back , not the PL or CL back to back , but still silverware nevertheless, and we can and should build on it.

Give your head a shake I thought the point of my post were obvious and they were

1)I wasn't talking BS when I said City and Chelsea didn't have a deeper squad than we have
2)Due to the depth and Strength of our Squad we should have finished above Chelsea last season and hence win the league

That you are complaining about Giroud while Jose had to rely on 40 year old Drogba for a good spell last season shows you ain't got no clue of what you're talking about....I guess the Wengerholic will never run out of excuses...
Get the screw in your brain tightened. Comparing Giroud our first choice with Drogba the 3rd choice (Costa, Remy)
That's some logic right there. You keep talking about our deepest squad. But chose not to talk about starting 11 and how other teams especially Chelski avoided injuries. All of a sudden you chose not to talk about our transfer spending before Ozil and the wages we pay, since it doesn't suit your claims .

Well done. Choosing to use whatever evidences you can find no matter how out of context , just to prove your point to beat the manager. Wenger is not beyond criticism, there were many mistakes he made, but your crusade against the man, is outright childish.
Edited by WX_Hitman, Oct 13 2015, 12:01 AM.
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Oct 12 2015, 04:20 PM
I'm not sure if we have had the best strength in depth. In fact last season we were criticized in the summer for not signing more players to complete the squad.

In any case, it's not the size of your squad that wins you titles, that's a myth. It's how good your first choice team is that wins you titles.

The best way to win the league is to have a strong core in your team and keep them fit and in form. Chelsea did that. Man City and Arsenal didn't.

If Koscielny, Debuchy, Wilshere, Walcott, Giroud, Arteta, weren't injured for long periods last season, we would have been much more competitive. The reserves are reserves for a reason. In a league where every game is highly competitive, you need put your best XI out every time.


There's this huge myth about rotation. Everyone wants rotation. But I never see the best teams rotating. I could name you Barca's, Madrid's, Chelsea's, City's best teams in a heart beat. Resting one or two players now and then is fine. But you never see wholesale rotation in the league and there's a reason for it.

And as much as we dont' like to say it, there is a clear element of luck in winning the titles. Refereeing decisions don't always "even out." Injuries can completely turn the outlook of the season for teams, and you usually can't control that. And sometimes, lasagna can undo all your efforts in one game.

Chelsea last season did really well to keep all of their players fit and in-form. And when the goals did dry up Mourinho manged them well and they were able to change their approach and grind out wins. And certain things went their way as they often do for title winners.

Arsenal, on the other hand, started the season with Sanogo up front, and Monreal playing CB. We had a keeper who kept making errors. We had our whole first choice midfield and our first choice striker injured, which was downright unfortunate. You can't win a title that way.

The holes in the squad were patched up in January with Gabriel, Bellerin, Coquelin, Walcott coming into the fold. The other injured players came back as well. Not surprisingly the team's form improved and we finished the season relatively strong.

So yeah, maybe not last season but I think this season we have a first XI that is up there with Chelsea and City. Ozil is doing better than ever, Sanchez has been brilliant, and Walcott and Giroud can both score up front.

In terms of depth we probably look better than Chelsea although City probably have the edge there. But that doesn't matter because no matter who they have, they can't replace Aguero and Silva for a month without suffering some loss of form.

And the Aguero injury might be what let's us get our hands on the title this season. Fingers crossed that we're over our injury problems now.


First 11 win you titles, a strong squad to sub in useful players to contribute to the cause , cannot be discounted, especially the team is in multiple competitions.

Without Sheringham and Solskajear chipping in the goals and ready to contribute whenever they were called upon, Man U would have been a weaker team during those Andy Cole , Dwight Yorke years.
With a thin squad, Poo almost won the title on the heroics of Suarez and Stturidge, Coutinho and Sterling.

Tell it to Wenger and the rest of the Arsenal fans, when Ospina dropped the clanger vs Olympiacos irrc, that squad wins you titles.

We got a strong first 11 this year. Arugably the best in the league.

We got depth even at DM with Arteta/ an injured Flamini. Wilshere if fit might not even make the first 11. Rosicky might not even get the subs bench. We still got Thierry Welback for Christmas. And the player who is Better or a Better fit than Sanchez at Arsenal, AOC unable to nail down a place on the Right side, losing it to a central midfielder.

There is no more excuses this year. Unless injuries derail our season or if there is a campaign against us , and referees are afraid or unwilling to give decisions to us. See Mike Dean.

Edited by WX_Hitman, Oct 13 2015, 12:21 AM.
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Who is making excuses? Wenger's built this team and has them performing really well. We have won two FA cups back to back. The only gripe for me at the moment is our CL form. We need to make a statement against Bayern.

And of course you need substitutes to make an impact. But again, the idea that the best teams rotate constantly is false. And the idea that your squad players win you the league is also false. You need your best players fit through most of the season to win the league.
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I'm not sure if we have had the best strength in depth. In fact last season we were criticized in the summer for not signing more players to complete the squad.

In any case, it's not the size of your squad that wins you titles, that's a myth. It's how good your first choice team is that wins you titles.

The best way to win the league is to have a strong core in your team and keep them fit and in form. Chelsea did that. Man City and Arsenal didn't.

If Koscielny, Debuchy, Wilshere, Walcott, Giroud, Arteta, weren't injured for long periods last season, we would have been much more competitive. The reserves are reserves for a reason. In a league where every game is highly competitive, you need put your best XI out every time.


There's this huge myth about rotation. Everyone wants rotation. But I never see the best teams rotating. I could name you Barca's, Madrid's, Chelsea's, City's best teams in a heart beat. Resting one or two players now and then is fine. But you never see wholesale rotation in the league and there's a reason for it.

And as much as we dont' like to say it, there is a clear element of luck in winning the titles. Refereeing decisions don't always "even out." Injuries can completely turn the outlook of the season for teams, and you usually can't control that. And sometimes, lasagna can undo all your efforts in one game.

Chelsea last season did really well to keep all of their players fit and in-form. And when the goals did dry up Mourinho manged them well and they were able to change their approach and grind out wins. And certain things went their way as they often do for title winners.

Arsenal, on the other hand, started the season with Sanogo up front, and Monreal playing CB. We had a keeper who kept making errors. We had our whole first choice midfield and our first choice striker injured, which was downright unfortunate. You can't win a title that way.

The holes in the squad were patched up in January with Gabriel, Bellerin, Coquelin, Walcott coming into the fold. The other injured players came back as well. Not surprisingly the team's form improved and we finished the season relatively strong.

So yeah, maybe not last season but I think this season we have a first XI that is up there with Chelsea and City. Ozil is doing better than ever, Sanchez has been brilliant, and Walcott and Giroud can both score up front.

In terms of depth we probably look better than Chelsea although City probably have the edge there. But that doesn't matter because no matter who they have, they can't replace Aguero and Silva for a month without suffering some loss of form.

And the Aguero injury might be what let's us get our hands on the title this season. Fingers crossed that we're over our injury problems now.


you need to stop making things up in order to bolster your argument.

And dude Debuchy is worse than Bellerin and you could say chambers is no worse than Debuchy. Wilshere is nothing more than a sqaud player, again you're proving the point that Squad win you titles.
You can't win the premier league title the way Chelsea did last season unless you're Mourinho, keep almost all your first team players fit and other teams screw up badly which they did.
It's almost impossible to keep players fit the way Chelsea did last season, mind you I think they are now paying for a lack of rotation last season, Hazard, Matic and Fabregas all look exhausted.
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