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Walcott and Giroud are better than Sturridge; Sadler - 2015
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Topic Started: Oct 1 2015, 09:26 AM (690 Views)
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Oct 2 2015, 05:00 PM
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DOn't call me a coward unless you see me post somewhere else while I ignore this post. Unlike you I have a life outside of this website and I haven't been on other than 2 minutes this morning before I left for work. With that being said, BIlla has pretty much said it all. And I haven't been "acting clever" in my replies. I have been offering up the truth. Sturridge has the potential to be a very good player. But like Owen, he has a history of injury problems and has only put in one complete season that was worth noting, and in that season he was playing along side one of the best strikers in the world. Can he do the same without Saurez? Maybe, maybe not. As for Walcott, he has had several good seasons, most of which as a winger, and has put up decent results. BUt like Sturridge he also has his injury problems. Mind you, he has put up more than one good season, and at the same age as Sturridge has played roughly 120 more games for his club and 25 more for his country... LOL name them! and let's compare the numbers bearing in mind that before Sturridge joined Liverpool he's been playing mainly as a winger for Chelsea and Man city.
"and at the same age as Sturridge has played roughly 120 more games for his club and 25 more for his country"
Really? Don't tell me you don't know why this is so, Sturrige was at Chelsea and Man city, two mega rich clubs who are not patient with young players contrast that to Wenger who's ready to put the 17 year old Ramseys and Walcotts of the world into the starting 11
The fact that Sturridge was at clubs where he wasn't getting much opportunities means he wasn't able to break into the national team as early as walcott. I tell you what I've got a good example David Luiz is THREE years younger than Thiago Silva yet he's made more club senior appearances than thiago Silva does that make him a better player? James Milner is 5 years younger than carrick and has made 23 more appearances that makes him better than you boy Carrick isn't it
Sadler infact wishere who is 11 years younger than carrick only has 5 less caps, let that sink in!..
And please don't forget to name those "several" good seasons Walcott has had...
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Oct 2 2015, 05:07 PM
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Its a bit strange Pizzy posting this after being very vocal in saying Arsenal have the best squad in the prem & he is on record as saying Giroud is one of Arsenals better players, so if , as Pizzy seems to believe, Giroud is one of the better players in the best squad in the premiership would it be so controversial to believe he is better than Sturridge ? Would it be worth starting a separate thread about ?
Much more worthy of a stand alone thread would be Pizzy's belief that Arsenal are better without Alexis & every time he asks for an answer to one of his petty questions I will ask him to copy & paste the part in the Weekend games thread where he explained why Arsenal would be better off without Alexis because he is adamant he has explained it to me there & maybe my eyesight isn't what it was but look as may I just cant find anything resembling an explanation
What I said about Giroud was he was one of our most important players last season and even the season before simply because of the way we play, infact if you look at our results without him last season there's no question that he was our most vital player because without him we're so predictable in attack, which AUTOMATICALLY makes him one of our better players, but that doesn't make him a better striker than Sturridge. I tell you what bog apply the same logic I applied to Giroud to Sturridge, i.e Arsenal attack/results without Giroud and Liverpool attack/results without Sturridge If you want to start a thread on Alexis by all means do so, otherwise you can fuck off!
? You spend the vast majority of this post simply confirming what I said you wrote so why is it so ludicrous to claim a player you believe is one of Arsenals most vital players , in a squad you say is the best in England, is better than a player who has had one good season, & that was playing alongside the player so good that Barca sold Alexis to accommodate Do we have to have a brew thread just to ask the same question I have asked on 2 already? cant you just answer it ?
IDIOT, Sturrige has a BIGGER influence at Liverpool than Giroud at Arsenal, better all round footballer, better finisher, better goals to minutes ratio since he started playing regularly for an EPL club, you must be really thick if you can't see this. Sturridge is 2nd/joint 2nd after Aguero as a striker in the league, that Giroud is not as good as the 2nd best striker in the EPL doesn't make him the French Carroll, shit footballer and having the touch of a rapist! Mind you you later referred to him as a "top player" to suit your agenda when you were arguing about your mancrush, idiot!.
LOL, explain how Sturridge had a BIGGER influence that Giroud, a player you rate higher than AlexisBTW coward, still waiting for the answer to my question. You cant really call someone a coward who isn't even on the board for doing what you have been doing for ages
There's a difference between being a better fit to the team and being better, now fuck off will ya?
I sense some real anger issues in you Pizzy, but surely yo can see that calling someone a coward for doing exactly what you have been doing for ages does make you look a bit silly to say the least. Now you can end this by simply going back to the Weekend games & copy & pasting the bit where you explained to me why Arsenal are better off without Alexis .
Why are we even having this conversation, do you actually agree that theo and Giroud are better than Sturridge?? I personally think Sturridge is better than both but Sadler is entitled to his opinion & its not that radical that it deserved the response you gave it. I have said that Giroud is better than I initially gave him credit for, although even you know, & have actually argued this to others, that my original post . "The French carroll with the touch of a rapist" was more a tongue in cheek wind up than a true analysis As you know, I rate Benteke higher than Giroud but Benteke is the wrong player for Liverpool. I said 12 months ago that they should have gone for Vardy, he suits their style more. Benteke would have been a good buy for Utd . Don't start on about Martial here unless you can show me something you said before ute bought him that indicated you knw he had some real quality. Even LVG gave himself a disclaimer on martial by saying he bought him for the next manager. So you just started the argument just for the sake of it, give your head a shake. LOL what I said about Martial was that I don't understand how someone can still be moaning about the transfer fee considering what the boy has shown so far, Jamie Redknapp just called him the best young player since Lionel Messi http://www.skysports.com/football/news/18932/10014512/anthony-martial-best-young-player-since-lionel-messi-says-jamie-redknapp now do you disagree with that? if yes who has been the best young player since Messi and if no? how can you still be moaning about the transfer fee
Where you twisted my word was when Sadler said you should have got Martial for close to nothing (he later did a backflipped and said "close to nothing" = something like 15mil pounds) and I said you should have got him for 20-25mil, that's where you twisted my word that why am I just saying this now, the last time I checked you didn't buy him for £20-25mil did you? and my initial and everyone else observation was that the £36mil fee which potentially would rise to up to £58mil was wayy too much not 20-25mil got it???
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Oct 2 2015, 05:29 PM
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DOn't call me a coward unless you see me post somewhere else while I ignore this post. Unlike you I have a life outside of this website and I haven't been on other than 2 minutes this morning before I left for work. With that being said, BIlla has pretty much said it all. And I haven't been "acting clever" in my replies. I have been offering up the truth. Sturridge has the potential to be a very good player. But like Owen, he has a history of injury problems and has only put in one complete season that was worth noting, and in that season he was playing along side one of the best strikers in the world. Can he do the same without Saurez? Maybe, maybe not. As for Walcott, he has had several good seasons, most of which as a winger, and has put up decent results. BUt like Sturridge he also has his injury problems. Mind you, he has put up more than one good season, and at the same age as Sturridge has played roughly 120 more games for his club and 25 more for his country...
LOL name them! and let's compare the numbers bearing in mind that before Sturridge joined Liverpool he's been playing mainly as a winger for Chelsea and Man city. "and at the same age as Sturridge has played roughly 120 more games for his club and 25 more for his country" Really? Don't tell me you don't know why this is so, Sturrige was at Chelsea and Man city, two mega rich clubs who are not patient with young players contrast that to Wenger who's ready to put the 17 year old Ramseys and Walcotts of the world into the starting 11 The fact that Sturridge was at clubs where he wasn't getting much opportunities means he wasn't able to break into the national team as early as walcott. I tell you what I've got a good example David Luiz is THREE years younger than Thiago Silva yet he's made more club senior appearances than thiago Silva does that make him a better player? James Milner is 5 years younger than carrick and has made 23 more appearances that makes him better than you boy Carrick isn't it Sadler infact wishere who is 11 years younger than carrick only has 5 less caps, let that sink in!.. And please don't forget to name those "several" good seasons Walcott has had... I will once you name more than one good season that Sturridge has had. Again, I'm not saying that he doesn't have the potential, but he has to put in a full season. I don't know why this is so diifficult for you to understand. It's like the Owen scanerio that I mentioned. Say that Sturridge is one of the best in the league is like saying Owen was one of the best in the league when he was at Newcastle. Maybe he could have been, but he barely played. That's the situation that Sturridge is in. By the way, how old is Oscar? He's been getting first team football at Chelsea for a few years now. Hmmm...
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Oct 2 2015, 05:38 PM
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DOn't call me a coward unless you see me post somewhere else while I ignore this post. Unlike you I have a life outside of this website and I haven't been on other than 2 minutes this morning before I left for work. With that being said, BIlla has pretty much said it all. And I haven't been "acting clever" in my replies. I have been offering up the truth. Sturridge has the potential to be a very good player. But like Owen, he has a history of injury problems and has only put in one complete season that was worth noting, and in that season he was playing along side one of the best strikers in the world. Can he do the same without Saurez? Maybe, maybe not. As for Walcott, he has had several good seasons, most of which as a winger, and has put up decent results. BUt like Sturridge he also has his injury problems. Mind you, he has put up more than one good season, and at the same age as Sturridge has played roughly 120 more games for his club and 25 more for his country...
LOL name them! and let's compare the numbers bearing in mind that before Sturridge joined Liverpool he's been playing mainly as a winger for Chelsea and Man city. "and at the same age as Sturridge has played roughly 120 more games for his club and 25 more for his country" Really? Don't tell me you don't know why this is so, Sturrige was at Chelsea and Man city, two mega rich clubs who are not patient with young players contrast that to Wenger who's ready to put the 17 year old Ramseys and Walcotts of the world into the starting 11 The fact that Sturridge was at clubs where he wasn't getting much opportunities means he wasn't able to break into the national team as early as walcott. I tell you what I've got a good example David Luiz is THREE years younger than Thiago Silva yet he's made more club senior appearances than thiago Silva does that make him a better player? James Milner is 5 years younger than carrick and has made 23 more appearances that makes him better than you boy Carrick isn't it Sadler infact wishere who is 11 years younger than carrick only has 5 less caps, let that sink in!.. And please don't forget to name those "several" good seasons Walcott has had...
I will once you name more than one good season that Sturridge has had. Again, I'm not saying that he doesn't have the potential, but he has to put in a full season. I don't know why this is so diifficult for you to understand. It's like the Owen scanerio that I mentioned. Say that Sturridge is one of the best in the league is like saying Owen was one of the best in the league when he was at Newcastle. Maybe he could have been, but he barely played. That's the situation that Sturridge is in. By the way, how old is Oscar? He's been getting first team football at Chelsea for a few years now. Hmmm... Did Walcott get first team football at Chelsea?? give your head a shake. I see you're trying to avoid answering the question, I asked you the question first. And how can I name Sturridge good seasons when I don't know how you define "good season" lol, Now tell me what are those several good seasons Walcott has had??, have you suddenly realized that infact if you choose to use the same rules for both (which a normal person will do) they both infact will not have more than one good season and you're now trying to dodge the question eh?
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Oct 3 2015, 09:26 AM
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DOn't call me a coward unless you see me post somewhere else while I ignore this post. Unlike you I have a life outside of this website and I haven't been on other than 2 minutes this morning before I left for work. With that being said, BIlla has pretty much said it all. And I haven't been "acting clever" in my replies. I have been offering up the truth. Sturridge has the potential to be a very good player. But like Owen, he has a history of injury problems and has only put in one complete season that was worth noting, and in that season he was playing along side one of the best strikers in the world. Can he do the same without Saurez? Maybe, maybe not. As for Walcott, he has had several good seasons, most of which as a winger, and has put up decent results. BUt like Sturridge he also has his injury problems. Mind you, he has put up more than one good season, and at the same age as Sturridge has played roughly 120 more games for his club and 25 more for his country...
LOL name them! and let's compare the numbers bearing in mind that before Sturridge joined Liverpool he's been playing mainly as a winger for Chelsea and Man city. "and at the same age as Sturridge has played roughly 120 more games for his club and 25 more for his country" Really? Don't tell me you don't know why this is so, Sturrige was at Chelsea and Man city, two mega rich clubs who are not patient with young players contrast that to Wenger who's ready to put the 17 year old Ramseys and Walcotts of the world into the starting 11 The fact that Sturridge was at clubs where he wasn't getting much opportunities means he wasn't able to break into the national team as early as walcott. I tell you what I've got a good example David Luiz is THREE years younger than Thiago Silva yet he's made more club senior appearances than thiago Silva does that make him a better player? James Milner is 5 years younger than carrick and has made 23 more appearances that makes him better than you boy Carrick isn't it Sadler infact wishere who is 11 years younger than carrick only has 5 less caps, let that sink in!.. And please don't forget to name those "several" good seasons Walcott has had...
I will once you name more than one good season that Sturridge has had. Again, I'm not saying that he doesn't have the potential, but he has to put in a full season. I don't know why this is so diifficult for you to understand. It's like the Owen scanerio that I mentioned. Say that Sturridge is one of the best in the league is like saying Owen was one of the best in the league when he was at Newcastle. Maybe he could have been, but he barely played. That's the situation that Sturridge is in. By the way, how old is Oscar? He's been getting first team football at Chelsea for a few years now. Hmmm...
Did Walcott get first team football at Chelsea?? give your head a shake. I see you're trying to avoid answering the question, I asked you the question first. And how can I name Sturridge good seasons when I don't know how you define "good season" lol, Now tell me what are those several good seasons Walcott has had??, have you suddenly realized that infact if you choose to use the same rules for both (which a normal person will do) they both infact will not have more than one good season and you're now trying to dodge the question eh? We all know who the "question dodger" is on this site and it certainly isn't me. Walcott has been playing first team football at a big club for a long time. Sturridge couldn't get first team football until he went to Liverpool, a team that used to be good. In 2012/13 Walcott had 14 goals and 10 assists. In 2011/12 he had 8 goals and 8 assists. In 2010/11 he had 9 goals and 7 assists. Did I mention that these are all seasons in which he played on the wing? We are now finally seeing him played as a striker. Last year he started 4 games and scored 5 goals. But like I've said, much like Sturridge he has had an injury plagued career. But at least he has had more than one good season and has been playing first team football and not sitting on the bench like Sturridge has. And like I've said SEVERAL times, Sturridge may become a better player. He has a lot of talent. But he has to play in order to be considered one of the best in the league like you claim. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the Walcott or Giroud are among the best in the league. I'm just saying that these are just two players who are for now better than Sturridge. Will Sturridge become a better player? He might. But he has to play. Otherwise it's like saying that Owen was the best striker in the league when he was at Newcastle. Do you get it yet???? Now name me one other good season that Sturridge has had. You talk about me avoiding the questions. Let's see your song and dance around this question...
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DOn't call me a coward unless you see me post somewhere else while I ignore this post. Unlike you I have a life outside of this website and I haven't been on other than 2 minutes this morning before I left for work. With that being said, BIlla has pretty much said it all. And I haven't been "acting clever" in my replies. I have been offering up the truth. Sturridge has the potential to be a very good player. But like Owen, he has a history of injury problems and has only put in one complete season that was worth noting, and in that season he was playing along side one of the best strikers in the world. Can he do the same without Saurez? Maybe, maybe not. As for Walcott, he has had several good seasons, most of which as a winger, and has put up decent results. BUt like Sturridge he also has his injury problems. Mind you, he has put up more than one good season, and at the same age as Sturridge has played roughly 120 more games for his club and 25 more for his country...
LOL name them! and let's compare the numbers bearing in mind that before Sturridge joined Liverpool he's been playing mainly as a winger for Chelsea and Man city. "and at the same age as Sturridge has played roughly 120 more games for his club and 25 more for his country" Really? Don't tell me you don't know why this is so, Sturrige was at Chelsea and Man city, two mega rich clubs who are not patient with young players contrast that to Wenger who's ready to put the 17 year old Ramseys and Walcotts of the world into the starting 11 The fact that Sturridge was at clubs where he wasn't getting much opportunities means he wasn't able to break into the national team as early as walcott. I tell you what I've got a good example David Luiz is THREE years younger than Thiago Silva yet he's made more club senior appearances than thiago Silva does that make him a better player? James Milner is 5 years younger than carrick and has made 23 more appearances that makes him better than you boy Carrick isn't it Sadler infact wishere who is 11 years younger than carrick only has 5 less caps, let that sink in!.. And please don't forget to name those "several" good seasons Walcott has had...
I will once you name more than one good season that Sturridge has had. Again, I'm not saying that he doesn't have the potential, but he has to put in a full season. I don't know why this is so diifficult for you to understand. It's like the Owen scanerio that I mentioned. Say that Sturridge is one of the best in the league is like saying Owen was one of the best in the league when he was at Newcastle. Maybe he could have been, but he barely played. That's the situation that Sturridge is in. By the way, how old is Oscar? He's been getting first team football at Chelsea for a few years now. Hmmm...
Did Walcott get first team football at Chelsea?? give your head a shake. I see you're trying to avoid answering the question, I asked you the question first. And how can I name Sturridge good seasons when I don't know how you define "good season" lol, Now tell me what are those several good seasons Walcott has had??, have you suddenly realized that infact if you choose to use the same rules for both (which a normal person will do) they both infact will not have more than one good season and you're now trying to dodge the question eh?
We all know who the "question dodger" is on this site and it certainly isn't me. Walcott has been playing first team football at a big club for a long time. Sturridge couldn't get first team football until he went to Liverpool, a team that used to be good. In 2012/13 Walcott had 14 goals and 10 assists. In 2011/12 he had 8 goals and 8 assists. In 2010/11 he had 9 goals and 7 assists. Did I mention that these are all seasons in which he played on the wing? We are now finally seeing him played as a striker. Last year he started 4 games and scored 5 goals. But like I've said, much like Sturridge he has had an injury plagued career. But at least he has had more than one good season and has been playing first team football and not sitting on the bench like Sturridge has. And like I've said SEVERAL times, Sturridge may become a better player. He has a lot of talent. But he has to play in order to be considered one of the best in the league like you claim. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the Walcott or Giroud are among the best in the league. I'm just saying that these are just two players who are for now better than Sturridge. Will Sturridge become a better player? He might. But he has to play. Otherwise it's like saying that Owen was the best striker in the league when he was at Newcastle. Do you get it yet???? Now name me one other good season that Sturridge has had. You talk about me avoiding the questions. Let's see your song and dance around this question... First of all since you say both Giroud and Walcott are better than Sturridge and you're not saying they are among the best in the league, can you then tell me who are the best strikers in the EPL, can't wait for that answer lol
Secondly if Walcott was playing for Chelsea or Man city earlier in his career he'll be warming the bench like Sturridge
Thirdly stop repeating this nonsense about sturridge "potential" to be better than Theo and Giroud I heard you the first time and we all know why you're saying this deep down you know Sturridge is better than those two and as soon as he can stay free of injury you'll look like a mug for saying he's not as good as Theo and Giroud
Lastly going by YOUR criteria for good seasons Sturridge scored 25 goals with 7 assists in 34 appearances for Liverpool in 13/14 had 13 goals 4 assists in 12/13 11/12 playing as a WINGER for Chelsea scored 13 goals with 4 assists, there you go!
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Unfortunately, cyber space rarely offers us a battle to the death.
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I don't know who's is the most ironic comment on this thread, Pizzy has a couple of strong contenders in calling me argumentative & accusing Sadler of dodging questions but JODB's post probably trumps both of those
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Oct 3 2015, 04:06 PM
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I don't know who's is the most ironic comment on this thread, Pizzy has a couple of strong contenders in calling me argumentative & accusing Sadler of dodging questions but JODB's post probably trumps both of those Though certainly a mild shot at the two combatants, I'm not sure what makes my post, "ironic." Oh, do 'splain, Lucy.
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Oct 3 2015, 04:12 PM
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I don't know who's is the most ironic comment on this thread, Pizzy has a couple of strong contenders in calling me argumentative & accusing Sadler of dodging questions but JODB's post probably trumps both of those
Though certainly a mild shot at the two combatants, I'm not sure what makes my post, "ironic." Oh, do 'splain, Lucy. Really? You don't see the irony of you of all people commenting on 2 posters engaging in a fairly feisty debate ?
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