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Walcott and Giroud are better than Sturridge; Sadler - 2015
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Topic Started: Oct 1 2015, 09:26 AM (689 Views)
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I don't know who's is the most ironic comment on this thread, Pizzy has a couple of strong contenders in calling me argumentative & accusing Sadler of dodging questions but JODB's post probably trumps both of those
Though certainly a mild shot at the two combatants, I'm not sure what makes my post, "ironic." Oh, do 'splain, Lucy.
Really? You don't see the irony of you of all people commenting on 2 posters engaging in a fairly feisty debate ? SMH in disbelief indeed. hilarity at its best.
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Oct 3 2015, 04:17 PM
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I don't know who's is the most ironic comment on this thread, Pizzy has a couple of strong contenders in calling me argumentative & accusing Sadler of dodging questions but JODB's post probably trumps both of those
Though certainly a mild shot at the two combatants, I'm not sure what makes my post, "ironic." Oh, do 'splain, Lucy.
Really? You don't see the irony of you of all people commenting on 2 posters engaging in a fairly feisty debate ? SMH in disbelief Silly man. When I engage in cyber fisticuffs with anyone of my own ilk, I will be rightly subject to the same mild taunting.
Nothing ironic about your post, either. Simply mo-ronic.
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Oct 3 2015, 04:17 PM
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I don't know who's is the most ironic comment on this thread, Pizzy has a couple of strong contenders in calling me argumentative & accusing Sadler of dodging questions but JODB's post probably trumps both of those
Though certainly a mild shot at the two combatants, I'm not sure what makes my post, "ironic." Oh, do 'splain, Lucy.
Really? You don't see the irony of you of all people commenting on 2 posters engaging in a fairly feisty debate ? SMH in disbelief
indeed. hilarity at its best. Go to the same grade school as boggy?
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Oct 3 2015, 04:23 PM
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If I was admonishing The Piz and Canadian Bacon, that would be ironic to the point of being hypocritical. Instead, I am implying that in other domains, such as the animal kingdom, one combatant will often die in battle. I picture them as insects with one biting off the head of the other, but alas, no chance of that on this forum.
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Its a bit strange Pizzy posting this after being very vocal in saying Arsenal have the best squad in the prem & he is on record as saying Giroud is one of Arsenals better players, so if , as Pizzy seems to believe, Giroud is one of the better players in the best squad in the premiership would it be so controversial to believe he is better than Sturridge ? Would it be worth starting a separate thread about ?
Much more worthy of a stand alone thread would be Pizzy's belief that Arsenal are better without Alexis & every time he asks for an answer to one of his petty questions I will ask him to copy & paste the part in the Weekend games thread where he explained why Arsenal would be better off without Alexis because he is adamant he has explained it to me there & maybe my eyesight isn't what it was but look as may I just cant find anything resembling an explanation
What I said about Giroud was he was one of our most important players last season and even the season before simply because of the way we play, infact if you look at our results without him last season there's no question that he was our most vital player because without him we're so predictable in attack, which AUTOMATICALLY makes him one of our better players, but that doesn't make him a better striker than Sturridge. I tell you what bog apply the same logic I applied to Giroud to Sturridge, i.e Arsenal attack/results without Giroud and Liverpool attack/results without Sturridge If you want to start a thread on Alexis by all means do so, otherwise you can fuck off!
? You spend the vast majority of this post simply confirming what I said you wrote so why is it so ludicrous to claim a player you believe is one of Arsenals most vital players , in a squad you say is the best in England, is better than a player who has had one good season, & that was playing alongside the player so good that Barca sold Alexis to accommodate Do we have to have a brew thread just to ask the same question I have asked on 2 already? cant you just answer it ?
IDIOT, Sturrige has a BIGGER influence at Liverpool than Giroud at Arsenal, better all round footballer, better finisher, better goals to minutes ratio since he started playing regularly for an EPL club, you must be really thick if you can't see this. Sturridge is 2nd/joint 2nd after Aguero as a striker in the league, that Giroud is not as good as the 2nd best striker in the EPL doesn't make him the French Carroll, shit footballer and having the touch of a rapist! Mind you you later referred to him as a "top player" to suit your agenda when you were arguing about your mancrush, idiot!.
LOL, explain how Sturridge had a BIGGER influence that Giroud, a player you rate higher than AlexisBTW coward, still waiting for the answer to my question. You cant really call someone a coward who isn't even on the board for doing what you have been doing for ages
There's a difference between being a better fit to the team and being better, now fuck off will ya?
I sense some real anger issues in you Pizzy, but surely yo can see that calling someone a coward for doing exactly what you have been doing for ages does make you look a bit silly to say the least. Now you can end this by simply going back to the Weekend games & copy & pasting the bit where you explained to me why Arsenal are better off without Alexis .
Why are we even having this conversation, do you actually agree that theo and Giroud are better than Sturridge?? I personally think Sturridge is better than both but Sadler is entitled to his opinion & its not that radical that it deserved the response you gave it. I have said that Giroud is better than I initially gave him credit for, although even you know, & have actually argued this to others, that my original post . "The French carroll with the touch of a rapist" was more a tongue in cheek wind up than a true analysis As you know, I rate Benteke higher than Giroud but Benteke is the wrong player for Liverpool. I said 12 months ago that they should have gone for Vardy, he suits their style more. Benteke would have been a good buy for Utd . Don't start on about Martial here unless you can show me something you said before ute bought him that indicated you knw he had some real quality. Even LVG gave himself a disclaimer on martial by saying he bought him for the next manager.
So you just started the argument just for the sake of it, give your head a shake. LOL what I said about Martial was that I don't understand how someone can still be moaning about the transfer fee considering what the boy has shown so far, Jamie Redknapp just called him the best young player since Lionel Messi http://www.skysports.com/football/news/18932/10014512/anthony-martial-best-young-player-since-lionel-messi-says-jamie-redknappnow do you disagree with that? if yes who has been the best young player since Messi and if no? how can you still be moaning about the transfer fee Where you twisted my word was when Sadler said you should have got Martial for close to nothing (he later did a backflipped and said "close to nothing" = something like 15mil pounds) and I said you should have got him for 20-25mil, that's where you twisted my word that why am I just saying this now, the last time I checked you didn't buy him for £20-25mil did you? and my initial and everyone else observation was that the £36mil fee which potentially would rise to up to £58mil was wayy too much not 20-25mil got it??? No Puzzy my dear, what I was doing is calling you out on the way you think your opinion is so much more valid than Sadlers . What he said did not merit the response from you or the initiating of a seperate thread. On Martial , anything you offer up is invalid unless you said any of this before he kicked s ball for Utd . It's way too early to proclaim him as the best young player since Messi, that's a ridiculous claim after the kid has barely played 5 games for Utd . Let's wait until at least the end of the season before we start lauding him to that degree . It is a massive gamble paying that much for such an unproven young player, so far it looks to be a good decision but nobody foresaw the impact he would have. It was a panic buy that could turn out to be a master stroke
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I don't know who's is the most ironic comment on this thread, Pizzy has a couple of strong contenders in calling me argumentative & accusing Sadler of dodging questions but JODB's post probably trumps both of those
Though certainly a mild shot at the two combatants, I'm not sure what makes my post, "ironic." Oh, do 'splain, Lucy.
Really? You don't see the irony of you of all people commenting on 2 posters engaging in a fairly feisty debate ? SMH in disbelief
Silly man. When I engage in cyber fisticuffs with anyone of my own ilk, I will be rightly subject to the same mild taunting. Nothing ironic about your post, either. Simply mo-ronic. If you can't see the irony of your post then you are an idiot & I should have learned a long time ago that it's pointless arguing with an idiot .
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Oct 3 2015, 04:47 PM
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I don't know who's is the most ironic comment on this thread, Pizzy has a couple of strong contenders in calling me argumentative & accusing Sadler of dodging questions but JODB's post probably trumps both of those
Though certainly a mild shot at the two combatants, I'm not sure what makes my post, "ironic." Oh, do 'splain, Lucy.
Really? You don't see the irony of you of all people commenting on 2 posters engaging in a fairly feisty debate ? SMH in disbelief
Silly man. When I engage in cyber fisticuffs with anyone of my own ilk, I will be rightly subject to the same mild taunting. Nothing ironic about your post, either. Simply mo-ronic.
If you can't see the irony of your post then you are an idiot & I should have learned a long time ago that it's pointless arguing with an idiot . Here, I'll post this again:
"If I was admonishing The Piz and Canadian Bacon, that would be ironic to the point of being hypocritical. Instead, I am implying that in other domains, such as the animal kingdom, one combatant will often die in battle. I picture them as insects with one biting off the head of the other, but alas, no chance of that on this forum."
You are trying to use the word "ironic," to imply hypocrisy, but as anyone who speaks English can tell, you have absolutely misapplied it here. If JB and I were going at it like dogs and cats, and you made a quip like I did, it would be stupid of me to say that your comment was ironic.
I like the idea of chilly and kamy joining in for a true battle royal among my antagonists. My money would be on The Piz. You have cockroach-like survivability, but The Piz puts the "t" in "tenacious."
Hoping for a pile of severed heads after this one, anyway.
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Its a bit strange Pizzy posting this after being very vocal in saying Arsenal have the best squad in the prem & he is on record as saying Giroud is one of Arsenals better players, so if , as Pizzy seems to believe, Giroud is one of the better players in the best squad in the premiership would it be so controversial to believe he is better than Sturridge ? Would it be worth starting a separate thread about ?
Much more worthy of a stand alone thread would be Pizzy's belief that Arsenal are better without Alexis & every time he asks for an answer to one of his petty questions I will ask him to copy & paste the part in the Weekend games thread where he explained why Arsenal would be better off without Alexis because he is adamant he has explained it to me there & maybe my eyesight isn't what it was but look as may I just cant find anything resembling an explanation
What I said about Giroud was he was one of our most important players last season and even the season before simply because of the way we play, infact if you look at our results without him last season there's no question that he was our most vital player because without him we're so predictable in attack, which AUTOMATICALLY makes him one of our better players, but that doesn't make him a better striker than Sturridge. I tell you what bog apply the same logic I applied to Giroud to Sturridge, i.e Arsenal attack/results without Giroud and Liverpool attack/results without Sturridge If you want to start a thread on Alexis by all means do so, otherwise you can fuck off!
? You spend the vast majority of this post simply confirming what I said you wrote so why is it so ludicrous to claim a player you believe is one of Arsenals most vital players , in a squad you say is the best in England, is better than a player who has had one good season, & that was playing alongside the player so good that Barca sold Alexis to accommodate Do we have to have a brew thread just to ask the same question I have asked on 2 already? cant you just answer it ?
IDIOT, Sturrige has a BIGGER influence at Liverpool than Giroud at Arsenal, better all round footballer, better finisher, better goals to minutes ratio since he started playing regularly for an EPL club, you must be really thick if you can't see this. Sturridge is 2nd/joint 2nd after Aguero as a striker in the league, that Giroud is not as good as the 2nd best striker in the EPL doesn't make him the French Carroll, shit footballer and having the touch of a rapist! Mind you you later referred to him as a "top player" to suit your agenda when you were arguing about your mancrush, idiot!.
LOL, explain how Sturridge had a BIGGER influence that Giroud, a player you rate higher than AlexisBTW coward, still waiting for the answer to my question. You cant really call someone a coward who isn't even on the board for doing what you have been doing for ages
There's a difference between being a better fit to the team and being better, now fuck off will ya?
I sense some real anger issues in you Pizzy, but surely yo can see that calling someone a coward for doing exactly what you have been doing for ages does make you look a bit silly to say the least. Now you can end this by simply going back to the Weekend games & copy & pasting the bit where you explained to me why Arsenal are better off without Alexis .
Why are we even having this conversation, do you actually agree that theo and Giroud are better than Sturridge?? I personally think Sturridge is better than both but Sadler is entitled to his opinion & its not that radical that it deserved the response you gave it. I have said that Giroud is better than I initially gave him credit for, although even you know, & have actually argued this to others, that my original post . "The French carroll with the touch of a rapist" was more a tongue in cheek wind up than a true analysis As you know, I rate Benteke higher than Giroud but Benteke is the wrong player for Liverpool. I said 12 months ago that they should have gone for Vardy, he suits their style more. Benteke would have been a good buy for Utd . Don't start on about Martial here unless you can show me something you said before ute bought him that indicated you knw he had some real quality. Even LVG gave himself a disclaimer on martial by saying he bought him for the next manager.
So you just started the argument just for the sake of it, give your head a shake. LOL what I said about Martial was that I don't understand how someone can still be moaning about the transfer fee considering what the boy has shown so far, Jamie Redknapp just called him the best young player since Lionel Messi http://www.skysports.com/football/news/18932/10014512/anthony-martial-best-young-player-since-lionel-messi-says-jamie-redknappnow do you disagree with that? if yes who has been the best young player since Messi and if no? how can you still be moaning about the transfer fee Where you twisted my word was when Sadler said you should have got Martial for close to nothing (he later did a backflipped and said "close to nothing" = something like 15mil pounds) and I said you should have got him for 20-25mil, that's where you twisted my word that why am I just saying this now, the last time I checked you didn't buy him for £20-25mil did you? and my initial and everyone else observation was that the £36mil fee which potentially would rise to up to £58mil was wayy too much not 20-25mil got it???
No Puzzy my dear, what I was doing is calling you out on the way you think your opinion is so much more valid than Sadlers . What he said did not merit the response from you or the initiating of a seperate thread. On Martial , anything you offer up is invalid unless you said any of this before he kicked s ball for Utd . It's way too early to proclaim him as the best young player since Messi, that's a ridiculous claim after the kid has barely played 5 games for Utd . Let's wait until at least the end of the season before we start lauding him to that degree . It is a massive gamble paying that much for such an unproven young player, so far it looks to be a good decision but nobody foresaw the impact he would have. It was a panic buy that could turn out to be a master stroke So if you're asked today who's the best young player since Lionel Messi who would you say?
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Its a bit strange Pizzy posting this after being very vocal in saying Arsenal have the best squad in the prem & he is on record as saying Giroud is one of Arsenals better players, so if , as Pizzy seems to believe, Giroud is one of the better players in the best squad in the premiership would it be so controversial to believe he is better than Sturridge ? Would it be worth starting a separate thread about ?
Much more worthy of a stand alone thread would be Pizzy's belief that Arsenal are better without Alexis & every time he asks for an answer to one of his petty questions I will ask him to copy & paste the part in the Weekend games thread where he explained why Arsenal would be better off without Alexis because he is adamant he has explained it to me there & maybe my eyesight isn't what it was but look as may I just cant find anything resembling an explanation
What I said about Giroud was he was one of our most important players last season and even the season before simply because of the way we play, infact if you look at our results without him last season there's no question that he was our most vital player because without him we're so predictable in attack, which AUTOMATICALLY makes him one of our better players, but that doesn't make him a better striker than Sturridge. I tell you what bog apply the same logic I applied to Giroud to Sturridge, i.e Arsenal attack/results without Giroud and Liverpool attack/results without Sturridge If you want to start a thread on Alexis by all means do so, otherwise you can fuck off!
? You spend the vast majority of this post simply confirming what I said you wrote so why is it so ludicrous to claim a player you believe is one of Arsenals most vital players , in a squad you say is the best in England, is better than a player who has had one good season, & that was playing alongside the player so good that Barca sold Alexis to accommodate Do we have to have a brew thread just to ask the same question I have asked on 2 already? cant you just answer it ?
IDIOT, Sturrige has a BIGGER influence at Liverpool than Giroud at Arsenal, better all round footballer, better finisher, better goals to minutes ratio since he started playing regularly for an EPL club, you must be really thick if you can't see this. Sturridge is 2nd/joint 2nd after Aguero as a striker in the league, that Giroud is not as good as the 2nd best striker in the EPL doesn't make him the French Carroll, shit footballer and having the touch of a rapist! Mind you you later referred to him as a "top player" to suit your agenda when you were arguing about your mancrush, idiot!.
LOL, explain how Sturridge had a BIGGER influence that Giroud, a player you rate higher than AlexisBTW coward, still waiting for the answer to my question. You cant really call someone a coward who isn't even on the board for doing what you have been doing for ages
There's a difference between being a better fit to the team and being better, now fuck off will ya?
I sense some real anger issues in you Pizzy, but surely yo can see that calling someone a coward for doing exactly what you have been doing for ages does make you look a bit silly to say the least. Now you can end this by simply going back to the Weekend games & copy & pasting the bit where you explained to me why Arsenal are better off without Alexis .
Why are we even having this conversation, do you actually agree that theo and Giroud are better than Sturridge?? I personally think Sturridge is better than both but Sadler is entitled to his opinion & its not that radical that it deserved the response you gave it. I have said that Giroud is better than I initially gave him credit for, although even you know, & have actually argued this to others, that my original post . "The French carroll with the touch of a rapist" was more a tongue in cheek wind up than a true analysis As you know, I rate Benteke higher than Giroud but Benteke is the wrong player for Liverpool. I said 12 months ago that they should have gone for Vardy, he suits their style more. Benteke would have been a good buy for Utd . Don't start on about Martial here unless you can show me something you said before ute bought him that indicated you knw he had some real quality. Even LVG gave himself a disclaimer on martial by saying he bought him for the next manager.
So you just started the argument just for the sake of it, give your head a shake. LOL what I said about Martial was that I don't understand how someone can still be moaning about the transfer fee considering what the boy has shown so far, Jamie Redknapp just called him the best young player since Lionel Messi http://www.skysports.com/football/news/18932/10014512/anthony-martial-best-young-player-since-lionel-messi-says-jamie-redknappnow do you disagree with that? if yes who has been the best young player since Messi and if no? how can you still be moaning about the transfer fee Where you twisted my word was when Sadler said you should have got Martial for close to nothing (he later did a backflipped and said "close to nothing" = something like 15mil pounds) and I said you should have got him for 20-25mil, that's where you twisted my word that why am I just saying this now, the last time I checked you didn't buy him for £20-25mil did you? and my initial and everyone else observation was that the £36mil fee which potentially would rise to up to £58mil was wayy too much not 20-25mil got it???
No Puzzy my dear, what I was doing is calling you out on the way you think your opinion is so much more valid than Sadlers . What he said did not merit the response from you or the initiating of a seperate thread. On Martial , anything you offer up is invalid unless you said any of this before he kicked s ball for Utd . It's way too early to proclaim him as the best young player since Messi, that's a ridiculous claim after the kid has barely played 5 games for Utd . Let's wait until at least the end of the season before we start lauding him to that degree . It is a massive gamble paying that much for such an unproven young player, so far it looks to be a good decision but nobody foresaw the impact he would have. It was a panic buy that could turn out to be a master stroke
So if you're asked today who's the best young player since Lionel Messi who would you say? Nobody springs to mind. Are you really saying that based on about 5 games Martial is the best young player since Messi ?
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Its a bit strange Pizzy posting this after being very vocal in saying Arsenal have the best squad in the prem & he is on record as saying Giroud is one of Arsenals better players, so if , as Pizzy seems to believe, Giroud is one of the better players in the best squad in the premiership would it be so controversial to believe he is better than Sturridge ? Would it be worth starting a separate thread about ?
Much more worthy of a stand alone thread would be Pizzy's belief that Arsenal are better without Alexis & every time he asks for an answer to one of his petty questions I will ask him to copy & paste the part in the Weekend games thread where he explained why Arsenal would be better off without Alexis because he is adamant he has explained it to me there & maybe my eyesight isn't what it was but look as may I just cant find anything resembling an explanation
What I said about Giroud was he was one of our most important players last season and even the season before simply because of the way we play, infact if you look at our results without him last season there's no question that he was our most vital player because without him we're so predictable in attack, which AUTOMATICALLY makes him one of our better players, but that doesn't make him a better striker than Sturridge. I tell you what bog apply the same logic I applied to Giroud to Sturridge, i.e Arsenal attack/results without Giroud and Liverpool attack/results without Sturridge If you want to start a thread on Alexis by all means do so, otherwise you can fuck off!
? You spend the vast majority of this post simply confirming what I said you wrote so why is it so ludicrous to claim a player you believe is one of Arsenals most vital players , in a squad you say is the best in England, is better than a player who has had one good season, & that was playing alongside the player so good that Barca sold Alexis to accommodate Do we have to have a brew thread just to ask the same question I have asked on 2 already? cant you just answer it ?
IDIOT, Sturrige has a BIGGER influence at Liverpool than Giroud at Arsenal, better all round footballer, better finisher, better goals to minutes ratio since he started playing regularly for an EPL club, you must be really thick if you can't see this. Sturridge is 2nd/joint 2nd after Aguero as a striker in the league, that Giroud is not as good as the 2nd best striker in the EPL doesn't make him the French Carroll, shit footballer and having the touch of a rapist! Mind you you later referred to him as a "top player" to suit your agenda when you were arguing about your mancrush, idiot!.
LOL, explain how Sturridge had a BIGGER influence that Giroud, a player you rate higher than AlexisBTW coward, still waiting for the answer to my question. You cant really call someone a coward who isn't even on the board for doing what you have been doing for ages
There's a difference between being a better fit to the team and being better, now fuck off will ya?
I sense some real anger issues in you Pizzy, but surely yo can see that calling someone a coward for doing exactly what you have been doing for ages does make you look a bit silly to say the least. Now you can end this by simply going back to the Weekend games & copy & pasting the bit where you explained to me why Arsenal are better off without Alexis .
Why are we even having this conversation, do you actually agree that theo and Giroud are better than Sturridge?? I personally think Sturridge is better than both but Sadler is entitled to his opinion & its not that radical that it deserved the response you gave it. I have said that Giroud is better than I initially gave him credit for, although even you know, & have actually argued this to others, that my original post . "The French carroll with the touch of a rapist" was more a tongue in cheek wind up than a true analysis As you know, I rate Benteke higher than Giroud but Benteke is the wrong player for Liverpool. I said 12 months ago that they should have gone for Vardy, he suits their style more. Benteke would have been a good buy for Utd . Don't start on about Martial here unless you can show me something you said before ute bought him that indicated you knw he had some real quality. Even LVG gave himself a disclaimer on martial by saying he bought him for the next manager.
So you just started the argument just for the sake of it, give your head a shake. LOL what I said about Martial was that I don't understand how someone can still be moaning about the transfer fee considering what the boy has shown so far, Jamie Redknapp just called him the best young player since Lionel Messi http://www.skysports.com/football/news/18932/10014512/anthony-martial-best-young-player-since-lionel-messi-says-jamie-redknappnow do you disagree with that? if yes who has been the best young player since Messi and if no? how can you still be moaning about the transfer fee Where you twisted my word was when Sadler said you should have got Martial for close to nothing (he later did a backflipped and said "close to nothing" = something like 15mil pounds) and I said you should have got him for 20-25mil, that's where you twisted my word that why am I just saying this now, the last time I checked you didn't buy him for £20-25mil did you? and my initial and everyone else observation was that the £36mil fee which potentially would rise to up to £58mil was wayy too much not 20-25mil got it???
No Puzzy my dear, what I was doing is calling you out on the way you think your opinion is so much more valid than Sadlers . What he said did not merit the response from you or the initiating of a seperate thread. On Martial , anything you offer up is invalid unless you said any of this before he kicked s ball for Utd . It's way too early to proclaim him as the best young player since Messi, that's a ridiculous claim after the kid has barely played 5 games for Utd . Let's wait until at least the end of the season before we start lauding him to that degree . It is a massive gamble paying that much for such an unproven young player, so far it looks to be a good decision but nobody foresaw the impact he would have. It was a panic buy that could turn out to be a master stroke
So if you're asked today who's the best young player since Lionel Messi who would you say?
Nobody springs to mind. Are you really saying that based on about 5 games Martial is the best young player since Messi ? So you can think of anyone yet can't agree with Jamie Redknapp on Martial? LOL
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