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JustOneDennisBergkamp
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Oct 5 2015, 03:36 PM
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Oct 5 2015, 11:38 AM
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Oct 5 2015, 11:28 AM
Pizzy's commitment to devaluing every almost every goal that Alexis scores has him up there with many of the hardcore climate change deniers.

Seriously, though, I was concerned early on about Alexis often being beaten for pace and power by EPL opponents defending him, but the more I see, the more it seems apparent that he was indeed fatigued from winning the Copa America (playing time and celebration).
Was he fatigued too when he was regularly hitting a brick wall post January? and failed to turn up in the champions league knock out phases??, give your head a big shake...
I never said Alexis was a bad player, but the idea that Alexis is Arsenal Lord and Saviour or that he's the 3rd best on the planet (according to Cruyff) is ridiculous when actually Statistically we didn't improve from the previous season when we didn't have Alexis...
I gave that head shake a try, and all I have to show for it is a kink in my neck.

No one has declared Alexis Lord of The Arsenal, and you'll need to take that 3rd best player issue up with cruyff. Sanchez IS the best player on the current Arsenal roster, and his stock is on the rise. Players have various runs of form, so I'm not sure what might have caused the dips you allude to last season, but if you can bring up the quality of the opposition almost every time he scores, I should reasonably be able to consider fatigue as a factor this season.
Actually he isn't our best player .
Judging from Autumn 2014, taking all the months into account, a certain Spaniard (surprisingly I must admit) has been our best player ...
Monreal?

Though still very debatable if we are comparing overall bodies of work from last season, I did say Sanchez was the best player on the "current" roster. That would suggest an assessment of where they rank today, and today, you are the only person on planet Earth that rates Santi over Alexis.
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Oct 5 2015, 02:49 PM
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Oct 5 2015, 02:24 PM
Well that was welcome (if unexpected). My only regret is not piling on more goals. I really wanted to put a super lopsided scoreline in as my avatar as a little payback. B-)

Seriously, though, why is this team so Jekyl and Hyde? It's so frustrating to see what happens when this team clicks, but to see the exact opposite occur just a few days prior (and against weaker opposition). This is why I feel we'll eventually come up short. Even though the others are inconsistent, too, we just seem to always have the gun pointed at our own feet.
Is this team anymore Jekyll and Hyde than City?
I'm sure we'd all be happier with the dual personalities if, like City's, they were winning the occasional EPL title.
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Oct 5 2015, 09:59 AM
Not surprising United's defence was so poor yesterday - they're Young, Small & Blind. :D
LOL. Took me a while to get this. Really clever.
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Oct 4 2015, 10:24 AM
Don't know who's the most pissed off with this , me or pizzy
Hahahahaha what a loser his team is getting thrashed and he still has time to use the game to prove that he was right about his opponent LOL. BTW only Alexis having a good game? I could give every Arsenal player 9/10 for that first half performance thanks to LVG of course. Moyes will never loose a game like this. LVG and Ranieri must be the only coaches that doesn't know that Arsenal are now basically a counterattacking team. Quite Ironic that the player that you still can't already see he's a special player is the only one that looked capable of scoring for you guys in this game.
Wow, this one trumps JODB in the irony pools. . Pizzy accusing somebody of celebrating his team getting thrashed to prove a point !!

No Pizzy darling, I was just making light of a grim situation

Just wondering how a team with over 70% possession can be classed as counter attacking ? Utd hadn't even gotten into Arsenlas half before they were 2-0 down. If that's what you class as counter attacking then we have totally different definitions of it

Only one team turned up , it's that simple . Moyes may not have lost this game, who would know, he was that shit he lost against every other team & got sacked

Even more ironic is the player you say Arsenal are better without has scored 2 & was instrumental in the other

PMSL Moyes never lost to Arsenal and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have lost is game.
LOL I said he hasn't improved us and the stats shows this and even shows more, take away Sanchez and we would still have won this game COMFORTABLY LOL... Where was Sanchez when the team couldn't get past Monaco, and are now on the brink of finishing below one of Olympiakos and Dyanmo Zagreb!

BTW I failed to commend Sterling for an excellent display yesterday , I really need to stop ignoring all his excellent performances LOL.
Are you really standing by this bollox that you are better without Alexis. Mind you, when a person thinks that counter attacking football is dominating possession & the game to such an extent that the opposition can't even get out of their own half anything is possible, but I am still waiting on that explanation of how Arsenal would be better without him & also who you would put in his place

Moyes played 2 prem games v Arsenal, 1 win & 1 draw. That's the same as LVg had last season. The difference is Moyes had Utd finishing 7th while LVg had them finishing 4th

I am no big fan of Van Gaal but Moyes had to go. No Utd manager can say "we aspire to be like City" when you are reigning champions, or say " we have to make it difficult for Newcastle" before a home game
Except that LVG spent about 3 times the money Moyes spent, and didn't have an inspired Liverpool team led by Suarez and Sturridge to cope with or an Everton team that had no Europa league to worry about give your head a shake.
You and Sadler just can't admit LVG isn't doing any better than Moyes, he was fortunate to be competing with a Liverpool team all over the place and an Everton team distracted with the Europa league.

Idiot I already explained the Sanchez thing time without number Arsenal led the league for most of the season without Sanchez and finished with 79 points and 7 points behind leaders. Sanchez joins Arsenal were never in the title race, finished with 75 points and 12 points behind the leaders, couldn't get past Monaco of ALL teams....go figure.
I don't think a guy that thinks Sterling has had an excellent start to the season is one to be taken seriously when it comes to rating players. BTW have you seen the match ratings on SKY


ALL the starters in the team either got 8 or 9 no one got less than 8, throw in Ox and you would also have him getting a 9 against a team that was tactically naive and unprepared, but for you you see only Alexis, if Arsenal play well it's because of Alexis, if they fail to get past Monaco or get dumped by Olympiakos to the Europa league it's because the other 10 players are Shit, LMAO.

LMAO so it's what Moyes says in the press conference that is the problem

LVG = MOYES, period!

And please look up the definition of counter attack it doesn't have to start in your own half!
Oh and one more thing please remind me of how many players in that team that ran away with the title still starts for united today? And what is happening to the team that ran away with the title 5 months ago, surely according to you and Sadler's logic it's IMPOSSIBLE to win the title one season and start struggling the next...
Gee, so much anger there Pizzy love

Again, who would you replace Alexis with in that team . Only you could continue to argue how Arsenal would be better off without him.

As for counter attacking. Are you trying to say Arsenal scored 3 goals counter attacking? To counter attack you 1st need to be attacked, it's basic 101 of counter attack, it's where the "counter" in counter attack comes from.

LVG = Moyes ? Really ? For someone trying to use stats to defend your stance on Alexis being shit for Arsenal you really do need to look at the trophies each of these managers has won & look at their achievements . Moyes isn't that far from being sacked again at Real Sociedad
I see you tried flaming the Sterling fire once again so I will play Pizzy games. Did you watch Mersey derby ? How did your boy Sturridge go ? Not like he was up against great defence as the best defender in World football was injured yet I didn't see Sterling touch the ball.
You're something else you're trying to Judge a guy who's just coming back after being out for about a year, give your head a shake.
You're probably the only man in the world who thinks Sterling is on the same level as Sturridge. Real madrid, Man utd, Bayern were queuing up to sign Sterling right? they must be regretting their decision not to sign him now lol.

LMAO Marcelo Lippi used to win a lot of stuff before 2004, united better sign him up!
The thing is LVG is living on past glories, his tactics are too rigid, one dimensional, and he's a stubborn man who can not adjust to his surroundings. Stick with him and be prepared for 4th at best with ZERO trophies till he leaves after his contract expires. Are you guys now celebrating 4th place trophy at Old Tradford? Desperate times.

Moyes was unlucky he inherited an aging team, players lacking desire plus a lot of average footballers which LVG has since dumped, Ed woodward was a mess in his first year and couldn't get transfer dealings done. Sure Moyes made mistakes but no more than LVG is making he was just unfortunate to take over at that time. Now I can sense you coming with the boring "the team he inherited ran away with the title few months ago" you better think twice before you say this LOL.

You certainly have demonstrated your limited football knowledge or lack thereof on this thread, yes united tried to attack and lost possesion, you realised starting an attack can start from any where on the pitch right?, you tried to start your attack from the back lost possession and was therefore "counter" attacked, got it? KMT
Klopp calls it counter pressing which is basically a counter attack started higher up the pitch...

And If Alexis was the Lord and Saviour you made him to be I wonder why barca dumped him in the first place for a player who was banned for 4 months, had disciplinary issues and there was a good chance he misses at least 3 months a year?
And plus I wonder why only Arsenal and Liverpool placed a bid for him, surely such a guy who's SO good should be attracting a bidding war similar to the one the likes of Pogba, Bale (if he decides to leave RM) will be getting? right?

The fact that you were dead wrong about Sterling must be hurting do badly...
I realise answering questions isn't your strong suit but nevertheless I will persevere. Who would you play ahead of Alexis to improve Arsenal ?

I don't know why you are defending Moyes now when you absolutely agreed he had to be axed at the time. Been there & covered the Utd thing but if you want to drag it up again then do it separately

Utd never got out of their own half, they weren't counter attacked, they were simply overrun in CM . Carrick & Schwinsteiger lacked the pace & Carrick the desire to compete with the pacey & energetic way Arsenal started. Counter attacking football is sucking the other team in & hitting them with a counter, the clue is in the title

Making excuses for Sturridge less than a week after singing his praises? As I said, I was just playing at being Pizzy. Sturridge was abysmal on the weekend , whatever the reason you can't deny it.
Keep demonstrating your ignorance you don't have to suck the other team in before you can counter them, you can press them high up the pitch and counter their attack there.

Ever recall the word "counter attack" being used in the 6-0 demolition of Arsenal at the bridge, I think you'll find out that almost all the goals especially the first 3 was as a result of Chelsea winning the ball high up the pitch and starting their attack from there same as the 5-1 win by Liverpool.

Infact since Jose returned from Chelsea most of their attacks are started this way winning the ball high up the pitch and exploiting the holes and gaps left by the opposition players e.g Gibbs and Sagna already bumping forward. Yet the Mourinho Chelsea team is widely referred to as a counter attacking team, ever wonder why this is so?? You have no clue mate.

Yes I did agree Moyes deserved to be axed then although I and a LOT of others have since realized it was a harder job than we thought but that's not really the point, the point is LVG HAS BEEN JUST AS BAD and hence deserves to be fired if he's been judged with the same criteria as his predecessor...
Pizzy dearest. You really are digging yourself in deeper here. The 1st goal came after a spell of concerted pressure where Utd couldn't clear their
lines following a free kick , that's as far from a counter attacking goal as you will ever see. The 2nd was simply fast , direct passing with players moving at pace, not counter attacking as Arsenal brought the ball out from the back

The 3rd goal came from an Arsenal throw in inside Arsenals half where Utd had plenty back but again, they were too slow & static

None of those goals come remotely close to being classed as counter attacks

Now Pizzy, do you remember recently calling Sadler a coward for not answering your question, even though he hadn't been on here. Are you accepting that you are a coward for purposely & continually avoiding my question(s) ?
I will ask again, who would you have in that would be better for Arsenal than shitty Alexis
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Lewandowski 5 goals 9 minutes
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To be fair you did add the Aguerro brilliance so no lawsuit will be filed
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Lewandowski 5 goals 9 minutes
Aguero 5 goals 20 minutes
Rooney 5 goals 9 months
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To be fair you did add the Aguerro brilliance so no lawsuit will be filed
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twas marvelous shit & tremendous treat witnessing genius boss stick it to rival top manager. virtually out thot, out generaled & out tacticianed big team in surging united. keep it up & out with complacency.
likely 2 get out worked & out hustled in very next game is arsenal story. run of wins could generate healthy point lead before other title contenders figure out their issues.
complacency, pressure & choke are killer reasons not giving afc title. epic victory should b launching pad 2 push boat out accumulating mad points. could sneak it before field figures things out. it's all bout application, graft & seizing opportunity thrust at us.
come on wenger, dig deep from within & pluck out title for fans proving winning is everything.lol
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