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Well that was welcome (if unexpected). My only regret is not piling on more goals. I really wanted to put a super lopsided scoreline in as my avatar as a little payback. B-)

Seriously, though, why is this team so Jekyl and Hyde? It's so frustrating to see what happens when this team clicks, but to see the exact opposite occur just a few days prior (and against weaker opposition). This is why I feel we'll eventually come up short. Even though the others are inconsistent, too, we just seem to always have the gun pointed at our own feet.
Is this team anymore Jekyll and Hyde than City?
The only way you can make the argument that $ity is more Jekyl and Hyde is if you concede that they're a much better squad than us.
You think? My fascination with City rests on the fact that they either blow teams away or lose. As for the strength of the squads, I think it's pretty close. They have more firepower, we have a better rearguard.
I don't think they're much better, actually. That's the point I was trying to make...that to be more Jekyl and Hyde, they'd have to be better. I don't think it's that unexpected that $ity will be up and down precisely for the reasons you mention. Even a great offense will occasionally be shut down or fail to click. But a good defense shouldn't play like ours does in our bad games. Neither our offense nor defense is consistent (even though we haven't allowed many goals in the league).
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Well that was welcome (if unexpected). My only regret is not piling on more goals. I really wanted to put a super lopsided scoreline in as my avatar as a little payback. B-)

Seriously, though, why is this team so Jekyl and Hyde? It's so frustrating to see what happens when this team clicks, but to see the exact opposite occur just a few days prior (and against weaker opposition). This is why I feel we'll eventually come up short. Even though the others are inconsistent, too, we just seem to always have the gun pointed at our own feet.
Is this team anymore Jekyll and Hyde than City?
The only way you can make the argument that $ity is more Jekyl and Hyde is if you concede that they're a much better squad than us.
According to one of our in-house pundits, Arsenal has the best squad in the league. City certainly has the higher priced beef, but if the Gunners can continue to progress and actually finish on top, perhaps this pundit will be proved right, despite his transparent motives for continually chanting this mantra.
Well, once Wenger gets out of the way and we win 10 in a row, he'll be proven right once and for all.
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Well that was welcome (if unexpected). My only regret is not piling on more goals. I really wanted to put a super lopsided scoreline in as my avatar as a little payback. B-)

Seriously, though, why is this team so Jekyl and Hyde? It's so frustrating to see what happens when this team clicks, but to see the exact opposite occur just a few days prior (and against weaker opposition). This is why I feel we'll eventually come up short. Even though the others are inconsistent, too, we just seem to always have the gun pointed at our own feet.
Is this team anymore Jekyll and Hyde than City?
The only way you can make the argument that $ity is more Jekyl and Hyde is if you concede that they're a much better squad than us.
According to one of our in-house pundits, Arsenal has the best squad in the league. City certainly has the higher priced beef, but if the Gunners can continue to progress and actually finish on top, perhaps this pundit will be proved right, despite his transparent motives for continually chanting this mantra.
Well, once Wenger gets out of the way and we win 10 in a row, he'll be proven right once and for all.
How dare you provide this platform for "his" viewpoint? You're drifting further and further towards the dark side these days (insert smiley face).

If Arsenal win the Prem, will it be credited to Wenger the manager or Wenger the identifier and developer of talent? Reasonable folks would have to admit that both are important parts of winning titles.

For me, if Arsenal wins the Prem or finishes a close second to City, Wenger will have at least met reasonable expectations for this season, and I would find it hard to dismiss him. But if he actually wins the fucking thing, I want you to come back and join us on the sunny side of the street.

You're always welcome.

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Well that was welcome (if unexpected). My only regret is not piling on more goals. I really wanted to put a super lopsided scoreline in as my avatar as a little payback. B-)

Seriously, though, why is this team so Jekyl and Hyde? It's so frustrating to see what happens when this team clicks, but to see the exact opposite occur just a few days prior (and against weaker opposition). This is why I feel we'll eventually come up short. Even though the others are inconsistent, too, we just seem to always have the gun pointed at our own feet.
Is this team anymore Jekyll and Hyde than City?
The only way you can make the argument that $ity is more Jekyl and Hyde is if you concede that they're a much better squad than us.
According to one of our in-house pundits, Arsenal has the best squad in the league. City certainly has the higher priced beef, but if the Gunners can continue to progress and actually finish on top, perhaps this pundit will be proved right, despite his transparent motives for continually chanting this mantra.
Well, once Wenger gets out of the way and we win 10 in a row, he'll be proven right once and for all.
How dare you provide this platform for "his" viewpoint? You're drifting further and further towards the dark side these days (insert smiley face).

If Arsenal win the Prem, will it be credited to Wenger the manager or Wenger the identifier and developer of talent? Reasonable folks would have to admit that both are important parts of winning titles.

For me, if Arsenal wins the Prem or finishes a close second to City, Wenger will have at least met reasonable expectations for this season, and I would find it hard to dismiss him. But if he actually wins the fucking thing, I want you to come back and join us on the sunny side of the street.

You're always welcome.

Well, if Brenda Rodgers was manager we would've already won the league this year. As well as any of about 20 other managers. And we all know that the only reason we might win it this season is because we won't have European football to worry about after December.

Seriously, though...if we do win the league, I may venture into the "Wenger can step down when he wants" neighborhood, though there's no guarantee I'll be buying a house. :D (there's your smiley)
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Oct 6 2015, 09:18 AM
Why do you even bother Bog ? To argue with one who can deny that Arsene had a huge hand in building the Emirates, and the best he can muster is "Wenger as a bricklayer".

Jobs must have no part building apple too , since he didn't pack the iphones in the boxes.

He can argue that any situation is a counter attack, except that when the ball starts from the goal keeper and possession is not lost from start to finish.

And Alexis = AOC ??? There is no point reasoning, you can only use nonsense to counter nonsense.
Because of the manner he treats other people's opinions & his habit of using each & every game to try to show how smart he is he needs to have his wings clipped.

This started with a tongue in cheek comment by me on who would be the more pissed off at the score, myself or Pizzy
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Don't know who's the most pissed off with this , me or pizzy
Hahahahaha what a loser his team is getting thrashed and he still has time to use the game to prove that he was right about his opponent LOL. BTW only Alexis having a good game? I could give every Arsenal player 9/10 for that first half performance thanks to LVG of course. Moyes will never loose a game like this. LVG and Ranieri must be the only coaches that doesn't know that Arsenal are now basically a counterattacking team. Quite Ironic that the player that you still can't already see he's a special player is the only one that looked capable of scoring for you guys in this game.
Wow, this one trumps JODB in the irony pools. . Pizzy accusing somebody of celebrating his team getting thrashed to prove a point !!

No Pizzy darling, I was just making light of a grim situation

Just wondering how a team with over 70% possession can be classed as counter attacking ? Utd hadn't even gotten into Arsenlas half before they were 2-0 down. If that's what you class as counter attacking then we have totally different definitions of it

Only one team turned up , it's that simple . Moyes may not have lost this game, who would know, he was that shit he lost against every other team & got sacked

Even more ironic is the player you say Arsenal are better without has scored 2 & was instrumental in the other

PMSL Moyes never lost to Arsenal and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have lost is game.
LOL I said he hasn't improved us and the stats shows this and even shows more, take away Sanchez and we would still have won this game COMFORTABLY LOL... Where was Sanchez when the team couldn't get past Monaco, and are now on the brink of finishing below one of Olympiakos and Dyanmo Zagreb!

BTW I failed to commend Sterling for an excellent display yesterday , I really need to stop ignoring all his excellent performances LOL.
Are you really standing by this bollox that you are better without Alexis. Mind you, when a person thinks that counter attacking football is dominating possession & the game to such an extent that the opposition can't even get out of their own half anything is possible, but I am still waiting on that explanation of how Arsenal would be better without him & also who you would put in his place

Moyes played 2 prem games v Arsenal, 1 win & 1 draw. That's the same as LVg had last season. The difference is Moyes had Utd finishing 7th while LVg had them finishing 4th

I am no big fan of Van Gaal but Moyes had to go. No Utd manager can say "we aspire to be like City" when you are reigning champions, or say " we have to make it difficult for Newcastle" before a home game
Except that LVG spent about 3 times the money Moyes spent, and didn't have an inspired Liverpool team led by Suarez and Sturridge to cope with or an Everton team that had no Europa league to worry about give your head a shake.
You and Sadler just can't admit LVG isn't doing any better than Moyes, he was fortunate to be competing with a Liverpool team all over the place and an Everton team distracted with the Europa league.

Idiot I already explained the Sanchez thing time without number Arsenal led the league for most of the season without Sanchez and finished with 79 points and 7 points behind leaders. Sanchez joins Arsenal were never in the title race, finished with 75 points and 12 points behind the leaders, couldn't get past Monaco of ALL teams....go figure.
I don't think a guy that thinks Sterling has had an excellent start to the season is one to be taken seriously when it comes to rating players. BTW have you seen the match ratings on SKY


ALL the starters in the team either got 8 or 9 no one got less than 8, throw in Ox and you would also have him getting a 9 against a team that was tactically naive and unprepared, but for you you see only Alexis, if Arsenal play well it's because of Alexis, if they fail to get past Monaco or get dumped by Olympiakos to the Europa league it's because the other 10 players are Shit, LMAO.

LMAO so it's what Moyes says in the press conference that is the problem

LVG = MOYES, period!

And please look up the definition of counter attack it doesn't have to start in your own half!
Oh and one more thing please remind me of how many players in that team that ran away with the title still starts for united today? And what is happening to the team that ran away with the title 5 months ago, surely according to you and Sadler's logic it's IMPOSSIBLE to win the title one season and start struggling the next...
Gee, so much anger there Pizzy love

Again, who would you replace Alexis with in that team . Only you could continue to argue how Arsenal would be better off without him.

As for counter attacking. Are you trying to say Arsenal scored 3 goals counter attacking? To counter attack you 1st need to be attacked, it's basic 101 of counter attack, it's where the "counter" in counter attack comes from.

LVG = Moyes ? Really ? For someone trying to use stats to defend your stance on Alexis being shit for Arsenal you really do need to look at the trophies each of these managers has won & look at their achievements . Moyes isn't that far from being sacked again at Real Sociedad
I see you tried flaming the Sterling fire once again so I will play Pizzy games. Did you watch Mersey derby ? How did your boy Sturridge go ? Not like he was up against great defence as the best defender in World football was injured yet I didn't see Sterling touch the ball.
You're something else you're trying to Judge a guy who's just coming back after being out for about a year, give your head a shake.
You're probably the only man in the world who thinks Sterling is on the same level as Sturridge. Real madrid, Man utd, Bayern were queuing up to sign Sterling right? they must be regretting their decision not to sign him now lol.

LMAO Marcelo Lippi used to win a lot of stuff before 2004, united better sign him up!
The thing is LVG is living on past glories, his tactics are too rigid, one dimensional, and he's a stubborn man who can not adjust to his surroundings. Stick with him and be prepared for 4th at best with ZERO trophies till he leaves after his contract expires. Are you guys now celebrating 4th place trophy at Old Tradford? Desperate times.

Moyes was unlucky he inherited an aging team, players lacking desire plus a lot of average footballers which LVG has since dumped, Ed woodward was a mess in his first year and couldn't get transfer dealings done. Sure Moyes made mistakes but no more than LVG is making he was just unfortunate to take over at that time. Now I can sense you coming with the boring "the team he inherited ran away with the title few months ago" you better think twice before you say this LOL.

You certainly have demonstrated your limited football knowledge or lack thereof on this thread, yes united tried to attack and lost possesion, you realised starting an attack can start from any where on the pitch right?, you tried to start your attack from the back lost possession and was therefore "counter" attacked, got it? KMT
Klopp calls it counter pressing which is basically a counter attack started higher up the pitch...

And If Alexis was the Lord and Saviour you made him to be I wonder why barca dumped him in the first place for a player who was banned for 4 months, had disciplinary issues and there was a good chance he misses at least 3 months a year?
And plus I wonder why only Arsenal and Liverpool placed a bid for him, surely such a guy who's SO good should be attracting a bidding war similar to the one the likes of Pogba, Bale (if he decides to leave RM) will be getting? right?

The fact that you were dead wrong about Sterling must be hurting do badly...
I realise answering questions isn't your strong suit but nevertheless I will persevere. Who would you play ahead of Alexis to improve Arsenal ?

I don't know why you are defending Moyes now when you absolutely agreed he had to be axed at the time. Been there & covered the Utd thing but if you want to drag it up again then do it separately

Utd never got out of their own half, they weren't counter attacked, they were simply overrun in CM . Carrick & Schwinsteiger lacked the pace & Carrick the desire to compete with the pacey & energetic way Arsenal started. Counter attacking football is sucking the other team in & hitting them with a counter, the clue is in the title

Making excuses for Sturridge less than a week after singing his praises? As I said, I was just playing at being Pizzy. Sturridge was abysmal on the weekend , whatever the reason you can't deny it.
Keep demonstrating your ignorance you don't have to suck the other team in before you can counter them, you can press them high up the pitch and counter their attack there.

Ever recall the word "counter attack" being used in the 6-0 demolition of Arsenal at the bridge, I think you'll find out that almost all the goals especially the first 3 was as a result of Chelsea winning the ball high up the pitch and starting their attack from there same as the 5-1 win by Liverpool.

Infact since Jose returned from Chelsea most of their attacks are started this way winning the ball high up the pitch and exploiting the holes and gaps left by the opposition players e.g Gibbs and Sagna already bumping forward. Yet the Mourinho Chelsea team is widely referred to as a counter attacking team, ever wonder why this is so?? You have no clue mate.

Yes I did agree Moyes deserved to be axed then although I and a LOT of others have since realized it was a harder job than we thought but that's not really the point, the point is LVG HAS BEEN JUST AS BAD and hence deserves to be fired if he's been judged with the same criteria as his predecessor...
Pizzy dearest. You really are digging yourself in deeper here. The 1st goal came after a spell of concerted pressure where Utd couldn't clear their
lines following a free kick , that's as far from a counter attacking goal as you will ever see. The 2nd was simply fast , direct passing with players moving at pace, not counter attacking as Arsenal brought the ball out from the back

The 3rd goal came from an Arsenal throw in inside Arsenals half where Utd had plenty back but again, they were too slow & static

None of those goals come remotely close to being classed as counter attacks

Now Pizzy, do you remember recently calling Sadler a coward for not answering your question, even though he hadn't been on here. Are you accepting that you are a coward for purposely & continually avoiding my question(s) ?
I will ask again, who would you have in that would be better for Arsenal than shitty Alexis
I already did so on several threads have you been eating from the same plate as Blind? I said Ox. Put in Ox and the outcome will still be a comfortable win.
I see you try as much as possible to avoid talking about England biggest hope here :D

No watch the game did you see the acre of space Alexis had for the 3rd goal, it was because united were pressing so they left bug gaps behind and were therefore counterattacked, Arsenal had a throw in united pressed to ATTACK high up the pitch, they left gaps behind Arsenal took advantage of the gap hence you were COUNTER ATTACKED. Sanchez could have had a sandwich and there would still be no defender around him, apparently he's a genius for having ages to make a decision getting past Darmian joke of a tackle. If I was LVG I would bench Darmian for 3 games simply because of that joke of a tackle.
The Ox better than Alexis 😱😱😱
A player with worse stats than the player you hate & you think he is better than Alexis 😳😳
Pass it round Pizzy, you have had enough. Go, show some stats to back this pearl up .

If Utd were pressing then even to you that would indicate Arsenal had possession . Only in Pizzyland would that be called counter attacking . Arsenal had the throw in, they didn't COUNTER attack because they weren't getting attacked . It's basic common sense let alone football sense
Better fit to the team not better player dummy!

And Ox is a clearly better footballer than England biggest hope, come back to me when England biggest hope learn how to shoot a ball properly...
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Pizzy's commitment to devaluing every almost every goal that Alexis scores has him up there with many of the hardcore climate change deniers.

Seriously, though, I was concerned early on about Alexis often being beaten for pace and power by EPL opponents defending him, but the more I see, the more it seems apparent that he was indeed fatigued from winning the Copa America (playing time and celebration).
Was he fatigued too when he was regularly hitting a brick wall post January? and failed to turn up in the champions league knock out phases??, give your head a big shake...
I never said Alexis was a bad player, but the idea that Alexis is Arsenal Lord and Saviour or that he's the 3rd best on the planet (according to Cruyff) is ridiculous when actually Statistically we didn't improve from the previous season when we didn't have Alexis...
I gave that head shake a try, and all I have to show for it is a kink in my neck.

No one has declared Alexis Lord of The Arsenal, and you'll need to take that 3rd best player issue up with cruyff. Sanchez IS the best player on the current Arsenal roster, and his stock is on the rise. Players have various runs of form, so I'm not sure what might have caused the dips you allude to last season, but if you can bring up the quality of the opposition almost every time he scores, I should reasonably be able to consider fatigue as a factor this season.
Actually he isn't our best player .
Judging from Autumn 2014, taking all the months into account, a certain Spaniard (surprisingly I must admit) has been our best player ...
Monreal?

Though still very debatable if we are comparing overall bodies of work from last season, I did say Sanchez was the best player on the "current" roster. That would suggest an assessment of where they rank today, and today, you are the only person on planet Earth that rates Santi over Alexis.
actually a LOT of people do, and more people are starting to realise the little Spaniard has become our most important player...
Really? Name just one pundit that we might know who says that Santi is better than Alexis.

A lot of folks appreciate the resurgence of Cazorla, and we salute the plucky little Penguin. Only you actually rate him over Alexis at this time on this planet. Kind of makes you special.

Shall we take a poll here?
Thierry Henry, there you go sunshine...
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Well that was welcome (if unexpected). My only regret is not piling on more goals. I really wanted to put a super lopsided scoreline in as my avatar as a little payback. B-)

Seriously, though, why is this team so Jekyl and Hyde? It's so frustrating to see what happens when this team clicks, but to see the exact opposite occur just a few days prior (and against weaker opposition). This is why I feel we'll eventually come up short. Even though the others are inconsistent, too, we just seem to always have the gun pointed at our own feet.
Is this team anymore Jekyll and Hyde than City?
The only way you can make the argument that $ity is more Jekyl and Hyde is if you concede that they're a much better squad than us.
According to one of our in-house pundits, Arsenal has the best squad in the league. City certainly has the higher priced beef, but if the Gunners can continue to progress and actually finish on top, perhaps this pundit will be proved right, despite his transparent motives for continually chanting this mantra.
Yes we have a better squad, Lord Wenger who 'single handedly' built the emirates is just not up to the task..
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Why do you even bother Bog ? To argue with one who can deny that Arsene had a huge hand in building the Emirates, and the best he can muster is "Wenger as a bricklayer".

Jobs must have no part building apple too , since he didn't pack the iphones in the boxes.

He can argue that any situation is a counter attack, except that when the ball starts from the goal keeper and possession is not lost from start to finish.

And Alexis = AOC ??? There is no point reasoning, you can only use nonsense to counter nonsense.
Because of the manner he treats other people's opinions & his habit of using each & every game to try to show how smart he is he needs to have his wings clipped.

This started with a tongue in cheek comment by me on who would be the more pissed off at the score, myself or Pizzy
dude I think you should be more worried about your crap team and overrated clueless manager and the deadwoods left from the "team that ran away with the title" rather than arguing about an Arsenal player who was dumped by Barca and doesn't turn up when the team (Arsenal) needs him the most....
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Why do you even bother Bog ? To argue with one who can deny that Arsene had a huge hand in building the Emirates, and the best he can muster is "Wenger as a bricklayer".

Jobs must have no part building apple too , since he didn't pack the iphones in the boxes.

He can argue that any situation is a counter attack, except that when the ball starts from the goal keeper and possession is not lost from start to finish.

And Alexis = AOC ??? There is no point reasoning, you can only use nonsense to counter nonsense.
Because of the manner he treats other people's opinions & his habit of using each & every game to try to show how smart he is he needs to have his wings clipped.

This started with a tongue in cheek comment by me on who would be the more pissed off at the score, myself or Pizzy
dude I think you should be more worried about your crap team and overrated clueless manager and the deadwoods left from the "team that ran away with the title" rather than arguing about an Arsenal player who was dumped by Barca and doesn't turn up when the team (Arsenal) needs him the most....
Couple of things here Pizzy dearest, wasn't Yaya also dumped by Barca ? & arent Utd on the same points as your team, sorry, Arsenal ?

Do you want me to post the stats on Ox v Sterlimg ?

You clearly do believe that Ox is better than Alexis because they play similar styles( except one is a mile better than the other)

You could argue for different styles had you said maybe Giroud instead of Alexis but you went for an even sillier option, I over estimated you
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