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Arsenal Vs. United
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Topic Started: Oct 4 2015, 10:04 AM (2,897 Views)
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dream_team
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Oct 7 2015, 08:06 AM
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- WX_Hitman
- Oct 6 2015, 09:18 AM
Why do you even bother Bog ? To argue with one who can deny that Arsene had a huge hand in building the Emirates, and the best he can muster is "Wenger as a bricklayer".
Jobs must have no part building apple too , since he didn't pack the iphones in the boxes.
He can argue that any situation is a counter attack, except that when the ball starts from the goal keeper and possession is not lost from start to finish.
And Alexis = AOC ??? There is no point reasoning, you can only use nonsense to counter nonsense.
Because of the manner he treats other people's opinions & his habit of using each & every game to try to show how smart he is he needs to have his wings clipped. This started with a tongue in cheek comment by me on who would be the more pissed off at the score, myself or Pizzy
dude I think you should be more worried about your crap team and overrated clueless manager and the deadwoods left from the "team that ran away with the title" rather than arguing about an Arsenal player who was dumped by Barca and doesn't turn up when the team (Arsenal) needs him the most....
Couple of things here Pizzy dearest, wasn't Yaya also dumped by Barca ? & arent Utd on the same points as your team, sorry, Arsenal ? Do you want me to post the stats on Ox v Sterlimg ? You clearly do believe that Ox is better than Alexis because they play similar styles( except one is a mile better than the other) You could argue for different styles had you said maybe Giroud instead of Alexis but you went for an even sillier option, I over estimated you Can you read?? I said one fits better into the Arsenal system than the other. I can't still believe you're defending Sterling surely you should cover your face in shame to say he's on par with Sturridge. Let's get this straight these are the guys you say Sterling is better than - Ox, Giroud, Walcott and at least as good as Sturridge, PMSL.
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WX_Hitman
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Oct 7 2015, 10:54 AM
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AOC- 2014/2015 - Scored 3 , Assist 5 Alexis- 2014/2015 Scored 24, Assist 12.
AOC , the Arsenal style of pass pass pass and nothing happens and no end product. Yes. AOC fits that style. The Arsenal style of going to sleep on defence. Yes Puzzy is right too.
I suppose AOC is the better goal keeper than Alexis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st23NbjFPjo
And the better stand up comedian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpkI620I7zE
Sanchez , just let fly and never stops running.
England must be a much better team than Chile, AOC who is not even the best player in England , is better than one of the main man for Chile.
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
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Oct 7 2015, 11:03 AM
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- dream_team
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- JustOneDennisBergkamp
- Oct 5 2015, 12:36 PM
- dream_team
- Oct 5 2015, 11:38 AM
- JustOneDennisBergkamp
- Oct 5 2015, 11:28 AM
Pizzy's commitment to devaluing every almost every goal that Alexis scores has him up there with many of the hardcore climate change deniers.
Seriously, though, I was concerned early on about Alexis often being beaten for pace and power by EPL opponents defending him, but the more I see, the more it seems apparent that he was indeed fatigued from winning the Copa America (playing time and celebration).
Was he fatigued too when he was regularly hitting a brick wall post January? and failed to turn up in the champions league knock out phases??, give your head a big shake... I never said Alexis was a bad player, but the idea that Alexis is Arsenal Lord and Saviour or that he's the 3rd best on the planet (according to Cruyff) is ridiculous when actually Statistically we didn't improve from the previous season when we didn't have Alexis...
I gave that head shake a try, and all I have to show for it is a kink in my neck. No one has declared Alexis Lord of The Arsenal, and you'll need to take that 3rd best player issue up with cruyff. Sanchez IS the best player on the current Arsenal roster, and his stock is on the rise. Players have various runs of form, so I'm not sure what might have caused the dips you allude to last season, but if you can bring up the quality of the opposition almost every time he scores, I should reasonably be able to consider fatigue as a factor this season.
Actually he isn't our best player . Judging from Autumn 2014, taking all the months into account, a certain Spaniard (surprisingly I must admit) has been our best player ...
Monreal? Though still very debatable if we are comparing overall bodies of work from last season, I did say Sanchez was the best player on the "current" roster. That would suggest an assessment of where they rank today, and today, you are the only person on planet Earth that rates Santi over Alexis.
actually a LOT of people do, and more people are starting to realise the little Spaniard has become our most important player...
Really? Name just one pundit that we might know who says that Santi is better than Alexis. A lot of folks appreciate the resurgence of Cazorla, and we salute the plucky little Penguin. Only you actually rate him over Alexis at this time on this planet. Kind of makes you special. Shall we take a poll here?
Thierry Henry, there you go sunshine... Thanks for the term of endearment.
Did Henry say that he has been the overall best player since the beginning of last season (as you have contended) or that he is currently the best player on the squad? You'll have to find his remarks, cuz I can't imagine that Thierry would say that Santi is CURRENTLY Arsenal's best.
Sorry, but you have a rather poor record of misrepresenting the comments of others.
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
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Oct 7 2015, 11:11 AM
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- cruyff_turn
- Oct 5 2015, 02:49 PM
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- Oct 5 2015, 02:24 PM
Well that was welcome (if unexpected). My only regret is not piling on more goals. I really wanted to put a super lopsided scoreline in as my avatar as a little payback. Seriously, though, why is this team so Jekyl and Hyde? It's so frustrating to see what happens when this team clicks, but to see the exact opposite occur just a few days prior (and against weaker opposition). This is why I feel we'll eventually come up short. Even though the others are inconsistent, too, we just seem to always have the gun pointed at our own feet.
Is this team anymore Jekyll and Hyde than City?
The only way you can make the argument that $ity is more Jekyl and Hyde is if you concede that they're a much better squad than us.
According to one of our in-house pundits, Arsenal has the best squad in the league. City certainly has the higher priced beef, but if the Gunners can continue to progress and actually finish on top, perhaps this pundit will be proved right, despite his transparent motives for continually chanting this mantra.
Yes we have a better squad, Lord Wenger who 'single handedly' built the emirates is just not up to the task.. Well then, I'm gonna take your admission here to mean that your Wenger cup is at least half full, seeing that you admire the squad he has assembled. Heart warming stuff.
After City's late buys, I believe most objective observers would give their squad the nod for best, but don't let that deter you.
And yes, in addition to building the brand which gave the team access to funds, Arsene indeed was one of the construction workers on site daily throughout the building of The Emirates as well. That's how awesome my Lord is!
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Oct 7 2015, 01:05 PM
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Latest Odds: Bet $10 on City profit $6.3 on Arsenal profit $22 on United profit $50 on Chelsea profit $170 and on Klopp $690 Amazingly enough Arsenal and United on points and we are less than half the dividend than MU. BTW it's 60-1 for Arsenal to win the CL and I just secured a 20 euro bet for a cool $1200 payout.
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Oct 7 2015, 06:08 PM
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- Oct 6 2015, 09:18 AM
Why do you even bother Bog ? To argue with one who can deny that Arsene had a huge hand in building the Emirates, and the best he can muster is "Wenger as a bricklayer".
Jobs must have no part building apple too , since he didn't pack the iphones in the boxes.
He can argue that any situation is a counter attack, except that when the ball starts from the goal keeper and possession is not lost from start to finish.
And Alexis = AOC ??? There is no point reasoning, you can only use nonsense to counter nonsense.
Because of the manner he treats other people's opinions & his habit of using each & every game to try to show how smart he is he needs to have his wings clipped. This started with a tongue in cheek comment by me on who would be the more pissed off at the score, myself or Pizzy
dude I think you should be more worried about your crap team and overrated clueless manager and the deadwoods left from the "team that ran away with the title" rather than arguing about an Arsenal player who was dumped by Barca and doesn't turn up when the team (Arsenal) needs him the most....
Couple of things here Pizzy dearest, wasn't Yaya also dumped by Barca ? & arent Utd on the same points as your team, sorry, Arsenal ? Do you want me to post the stats on Ox v Sterlimg ? You clearly do believe that Ox is better than Alexis because they play similar styles( except one is a mile better than the other) You could argue for different styles had you said maybe Giroud instead of Alexis but you went for an even sillier option, I over estimated you
Can you read?? I said one fits better into the Arsenal system than the other. I can't still believe you're defending Sterling surely you should cover your face in shame to say he's on par with Sturridge. Let's get this straight these are the guys you say Sterling is better than - Ox, Giroud, Walcott and at least as good as Sturridge, PMSL. Looking forward to you explaining the difference in style between the Ox, a player who is a fringe player for England & Alexis, one of the Worlds stars . How would Aleix be a better fit ? You still harping on about him being a Barca reject, notice that line stopped since I mentioned Yaya,
Pizzy, you are copping the biggest collective beating here since Poland were counter attacked by Germany in 45
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Oct 8 2015, 09:14 AM
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- Oct 4 2015, 10:21 AM
13 games we had just won once against Man You. SAF had Wenger in his pocket.
And all that frustration is being poured out on this Man Yooo team.
Revenge is best served cold Actually, from 98 to 2004 Arsenal had a dominant head-to-head record vs United.
But yeah, we've been poor against them for a long time. Too bad it was only 3-0 because it easily could have been more.
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Oct 8 2015, 09:18 AM
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- Oct 4 2015, 10:23 AM
We can say Alexis is back. He's not back, he's better than ever.
Alexis this season is passing more, he is attempting fewer dribbles, he is turning over the ball a lot less. In essence, he is more of a team player and more in tune with the team's style of play and tactical setup.
It's possible that he will score more goals than last season. Who posted that comment about him being nullified by Wengerball? Clearly the guy just wasn't 100% match fit yet without a pre-season.
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Oct 8 2015, 09:32 AM
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Anyway, some thoughts on the game:
1. Cazorla is maybe too tiny for a holding midfielder but his ability to play through the pressure is amazing. The Coq - Cazorla partnership is a lot like the Wilshere - Song partnership from 10/11. A ball winner and a deep lying playmaker/dribbler.
2. Walcott and Ozil's aggressiveness was great to see. Theo can play CF if he continues to be so aggressive. He was challenging for headers, harrying defenders, tracking back. He was Alexis-like in his work rate. You need your CF to be that kind of person, not as passive as Theo used to be. And Ozil as well worked extremely hard off the ball. Not surprised both were subbed off early. This is really the kind of mentality we need from our top players if we are going to win the league or CL. In that respect Alexis really is the quiet leader of the team, because his energy and desire rubs off on everyone.
3. Gabriel and Koscielny is our best CB partnership for most games.
4. United were not THAT bad, barring the first 30 minutes or so. I think maybe we surprised them by how good we were. But in the 2nd half you could see they were marking us a lot tighter, playing more aggressively. They pressed us well and didn't give us too much room on the counter attack. Defensively LVG has them organized well overall. Just need to find that attacking spark.
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Oct 8 2015, 06:29 PM
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Anyway, some thoughts on the game:
1. Cazorla is maybe too tiny for a holding midfielder but his ability to play through the pressure is amazing. The Coq - Cazorla partnership is a lot like the Wilshere - Song partnership from 10/11. A ball winner and a deep lying playmaker/dribbler.
2. Walcott and Ozil's aggressiveness was great to see. Theo can play CF if he continues to be so aggressive. He was challenging for headers, harrying defenders, tracking back. He was Alexis-like in his work rate. You need your CF to be that kind of person, not as passive as Theo used to be. And Ozil as well worked extremely hard off the ball. Not surprised both were subbed off early. This is really the kind of mentality we need from our top players if we are going to win the league or CL. In that respect Alexis really is the quiet leader of the team, because his energy and desire rubs off on everyone.
3. Gabriel and Koscielny is our best CB partnership for most games.
4. United were not THAT bad, barring the first 30 minutes or so. I think maybe we surprised them by how good we were. But in the 2nd half you could see they were marking us a lot tighter, playing more aggressively. They pressed us well and didn't give us too much room on the counter attack. Defensively LVG has them organized well overall. Just need to find that attacking spark. I don't buy that Utd were surprised at Arsenals start. It was the exact same start as last seasons game, just that Van Gaal in his arrogance chose to ignore how dominant Arsenal were last season & chose to ignore that but for profligate finishing the score last season would have, should have been the same . He picked the wrong team, or at the very least the wrong DM pairing & that's where Arsenal really controlled the game. Also a couple of big players really had bad days, Darmian, who seems to be a bit Jekkyl & Hyde was given a torrid day by shitty Alexis. What happened after the 1st 20 minutes is really irrelevant . Arsenal had the game parcelled up & the whole dynamic of the game changed I predict a similar mauling from City but without the let up Arsenal afforded Utd
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