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Topic Started: Oct 4 2015, 10:04 AM (2,896 Views)
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Oct 8 2015, 09:09 PM
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this was one of the best games I have seen arsenal play. Van Gaal may take some criticism but at the same time when arsenal play as well as they did the opening 20 minutes there is little an opposition manger can do. We really dominated in so many ways in the beginning. Sharp passing, fast attack, good decision making, high pressure defensively. Difficult to imagine a more complete win.
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AOC- 2014/2015 - Scored 3 , Assist 5 Alexis- 2014/2015 Scored 24, Assist 12. AOC , the Arsenal style of pass pass pass and nothing happens and no end product. Yes. AOC fits that style. The Arsenal style of going to sleep on defence. Yes Puzzy is right too. I suppose AOC is the better goal keeper than Alexis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st23NbjFPjoAnd the better stand up comedian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpkI620I7zESanchez , just let fly and never stops running. England must be a much better team than Chile, AOC who is not even the best player in England , is better than one of the main man for Chile. come back to me when you learn how to read, I never said he was better than Alexis...
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Don't know who's the most pissed off with this , me or pizzy
Hahahahaha what a loser his team is getting thrashed and he still has time to use the game to prove that he was right about his opponent LOL. BTW only Alexis having a good game? I could give every Arsenal player 9/10 for that first half performance thanks to LVG of course. Moyes will never loose a game like this. LVG and Ranieri must be the only coaches that doesn't know that Arsenal are now basically a counterattacking team. Quite Ironic that the player that you still can't already see he's a special player is the only one that looked capable of scoring for you guys in this game.
Wow, this one trumps JODB in the irony pools. . Pizzy accusing somebody of celebrating his team getting thrashed to prove a point !! No Pizzy darling, I was just making light of a grim situation Just wondering how a team with over 70% possession can be classed as counter attacking ? Utd hadn't even gotten into Arsenlas half before they were 2-0 down. If that's what you class as counter attacking then we have totally different definitions of it Only one team turned up , it's that simple . Moyes may not have lost this game, who would know, he was that shit he lost against every other team & got sacked Even more ironic is the player you say Arsenal are better without has scored 2 & was instrumental in the other
PMSL Moyes never lost to Arsenal and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have lost is game. LOL I said he hasn't improved us and the stats shows this and even shows more, take away Sanchez and we would still have won this game COMFORTABLY LOL... Where was Sanchez when the team couldn't get past Monaco, and are now on the brink of finishing below one of Olympiakos and Dyanmo Zagreb! BTW I failed to commend Sterling for an excellent display yesterday , I really need to stop ignoring all his excellent performances LOL.
Are you really standing by this bollox that you are better without Alexis. Mind you, when a person thinks that counter attacking football is dominating possession & the game to such an extent that the opposition can't even get out of their own half anything is possible, but I am still waiting on that explanation of how Arsenal would be better without him & also who you would put in his place Moyes played 2 prem games v Arsenal, 1 win & 1 draw. That's the same as LVg had last season. The difference is Moyes had Utd finishing 7th while LVg had them finishing 4th I am no big fan of Van Gaal but Moyes had to go. No Utd manager can say "we aspire to be like City" when you are reigning champions, or say " we have to make it difficult for Newcastle" before a home game
Except that LVG spent about 3 times the money Moyes spent, and didn't have an inspired Liverpool team led by Suarez and Sturridge to cope with or an Everton team that had no Europa league to worry about give your head a shake. You and Sadler just can't admit LVG isn't doing any better than Moyes, he was fortunate to be competing with a Liverpool team all over the place and an Everton team distracted with the Europa league. Idiot I already explained the Sanchez thing time without number Arsenal led the league for most of the season without Sanchez and finished with 79 points and 7 points behind leaders. Sanchez joins Arsenal were never in the title race, finished with 75 points and 12 points behind the leaders, couldn't get past Monaco of ALL teams....go figure. I don't think a guy that thinks Sterling has had an excellent start to the season is one to be taken seriously when it comes to rating players. BTW have you seen the match ratings on SKY ALL the starters in the team either got 8 or 9 no one got less than 8, throw in Ox and you would also have him getting a 9 against a team that was tactically naive and unprepared, but for you you see only Alexis, if Arsenal play well it's because of Alexis, if they fail to get past Monaco or get dumped by Olympiakos to the Europa league it's because the other 10 players are Shit, LMAO. LMAO so it's what Moyes says in the press conference that is the problem LVG = MOYES, period! And please look up the definition of counter attack it doesn't have to start in your own half! Oh and one more thing please remind me of how many players in that team that ran away with the title still starts for united today? And what is happening to the team that ran away with the title 5 months ago, surely according to you and Sadler's logic it's IMPOSSIBLE to win the title one season and start struggling the next...
Gee, so much anger there Pizzy love Again, who would you replace Alexis with in that team . Only you could continue to argue how Arsenal would be better off without him. As for counter attacking. Are you trying to say Arsenal scored 3 goals counter attacking? To counter attack you 1st need to be attacked, it's basic 101 of counter attack, it's where the "counter" in counter attack comes from. LVG = Moyes ? Really ? For someone trying to use stats to defend your stance on Alexis being shit for Arsenal you really do need to look at the trophies each of these managers has won & look at their achievements . Moyes isn't that far from being sacked again at Real Sociedad I see you tried flaming the Sterling fire once again so I will play Pizzy games. Did you watch Mersey derby ? How did your boy Sturridge go ? Not like he was up against great defence as the best defender in World football was injured yet I didn't see Sterling touch the ball.
You're something else you're trying to Judge a guy who's just coming back after being out for about a year, give your head a shake. You're probably the only man in the world who thinks Sterling is on the same level as Sturridge. Real madrid, Man utd, Bayern were queuing up to sign Sterling right? they must be regretting their decision not to sign him now lol. LMAO Marcelo Lippi used to win a lot of stuff before 2004, united better sign him up! The thing is LVG is living on past glories, his tactics are too rigid, one dimensional, and he's a stubborn man who can not adjust to his surroundings. Stick with him and be prepared for 4th at best with ZERO trophies till he leaves after his contract expires. Are you guys now celebrating 4th place trophy at Old Tradford? Desperate times. Moyes was unlucky he inherited an aging team, players lacking desire plus a lot of average footballers which LVG has since dumped, Ed woodward was a mess in his first year and couldn't get transfer dealings done. Sure Moyes made mistakes but no more than LVG is making he was just unfortunate to take over at that time. Now I can sense you coming with the boring "the team he inherited ran away with the title few months ago" you better think twice before you say this LOL. You certainly have demonstrated your limited football knowledge or lack thereof on this thread, yes united tried to attack and lost possesion, you realised starting an attack can start from any where on the pitch right?, you tried to start your attack from the back lost possession and was therefore "counter" attacked, got it? KMT Klopp calls it counter pressing which is basically a counter attack started higher up the pitch... And If Alexis was the Lord and Saviour you made him to be I wonder why barca dumped him in the first place for a player who was banned for 4 months, had disciplinary issues and there was a good chance he misses at least 3 months a year? And plus I wonder why only Arsenal and Liverpool placed a bid for him, surely such a guy who's SO good should be attracting a bidding war similar to the one the likes of Pogba, Bale (if he decides to leave RM) will be getting? right? The fact that you were dead wrong about Sterling must be hurting do badly...
I realise answering questions isn't your strong suit but nevertheless I will persevere. Who would you play ahead of Alexis to improve Arsenal ? I don't know why you are defending Moyes now when you absolutely agreed he had to be axed at the time. Been there & covered the Utd thing but if you want to drag it up again then do it separately Utd never got out of their own half, they weren't counter attacked, they were simply overrun in CM . Carrick & Schwinsteiger lacked the pace & Carrick the desire to compete with the pacey & energetic way Arsenal started. Counter attacking football is sucking the other team in & hitting them with a counter, the clue is in the title Making excuses for Sturridge less than a week after singing his praises? As I said, I was just playing at being Pizzy. Sturridge was abysmal on the weekend , whatever the reason you can't deny it.
Keep demonstrating your ignorance you don't have to suck the other team in before you can counter them, you can press them high up the pitch and counter their attack there. Ever recall the word "counter attack" being used in the 6-0 demolition of Arsenal at the bridge, I think you'll find out that almost all the goals especially the first 3 was as a result of Chelsea winning the ball high up the pitch and starting their attack from there same as the 5-1 win by Liverpool. Infact since Jose returned from Chelsea most of their attacks are started this way winning the ball high up the pitch and exploiting the holes and gaps left by the opposition players e.g Gibbs and Sagna already bumping forward. Yet the Mourinho Chelsea team is widely referred to as a counter attacking team, ever wonder why this is so?? You have no clue mate. Yes I did agree Moyes deserved to be axed then although I and a LOT of others have since realized it was a harder job than we thought but that's not really the point, the point is LVG HAS BEEN JUST AS BAD and hence deserves to be fired if he's been judged with the same criteria as his predecessor...
Pizzy dearest. You really are digging yourself in deeper here. The 1st goal came after a spell of concerted pressure where Utd couldn't clear their lines following a free kick , that's as far from a counter attacking goal as you will ever see. The 2nd was simply fast , direct passing with players moving at pace, not counter attacking as Arsenal brought the ball out from the back The 3rd goal came from an Arsenal throw in inside Arsenals half where Utd had plenty back but again, they were too slow & static None of those goals come remotely close to being classed as counter attacks Now Pizzy, do you remember recently calling Sadler a coward for not answering your question, even though he hadn't been on here. Are you accepting that you are a coward for purposely & continually avoiding my question(s) ? I will ask again, who would you have in that would be better for Arsenal than shitty Alexis I already did so on several threads have you been eating from the same plate as Blind? I said Ox. Put in Ox and the outcome will still be a comfortable win.
I see you try as much as possible to avoid talking about England biggest hope here No watch the game did you see the acre of space Alexis had for the 3rd goal, it was because united were pressing so they left bug gaps behind and were therefore counterattacked, Arsenal had a throw in united pressed to ATTACK high up the pitch, they left gaps behind Arsenal took advantage of the gap hence you were COUNTER ATTACKED. Sanchez could have had a sandwich and there would still be no defender around him, apparently he's a genius for having ages to make a decision getting past Darmian joke of a tackle. If I was LVG I would bench Darmian for 3 games simply because of that joke of a tackle. The Ox better than Alexis 😱😱😱A player with worse stats than the player you hate & you think he is better than Alexis 😳😳 Pass it round Pizzy, you have had enough. Go, show some stats to back this pearl up . If Utd were pressing then even to you that would indicate Arsenal had possession . Only in Pizzyland would that be called counter attacking . Arsenal had the throw in, they didn't COUNTER attack because they weren't getting attacked . It's basic common sense let alone football sense
Better fit to the team not better player dummy! And Ox is a clearly better footballer than England biggest hope, come back to me when England biggest hope learn how to shoot a ball properly... I can't read, or understand the kind of shit and pizz that you post.AOC is clearly not the better player.The stats settles it.
Better fit ? AOC cannot even secure a starting place on the right , Better fit for Arsenal ? EKKK . "wrong answer" . Right answer is Ramsey. He is ahead of AOC in that position.
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The top four candidates can all do this to each other, which is why Chelsea beating us wasn't so much of a surprise.
Nice to Stuff ManUre though, in any circumstances. Van Gaal can pump all the money he likes into midfield and forward lines. Until he gets rid of the remaining dregs of Ferguson he won't finish above Arsenal.
Serious question: Is Rooney done?
I have defended Rooney for some years now but I think he is close to being dropped & rightly so. He offered nothing in this game & that's been the case most of this season. He has lost whatever bit of pace he once had & is getting dispossessed too often due to a poor 1st touch Huge error starting Carrick & Schweinsteiger. Utd needed the extra pace, physicality & energy of Schneiderlin Utd lacked pace all over the ground & paid for it. Depay, who has pace seems to have found the step up to the premiership too difficult . I just don't see what he brings that Nani & even Zaha didn't I said in my 1st post that this wasn't that different to last seasons game with the difference being Arsenal finished their early chances this time Can't see anything different in the upcoming game v City. Game soured even more by Brenda's sacking. That rduces Utd' chances of getting Klopp The problem is, Billabog, that Arsenal are just the better team at the moment. Regardless of what you and Sadler have been telling yourself all summer. Arsenal are just downright better at football, in pretty much every department.
If you think you are going to go the Emirates and have an easy time, it's not going to happen. And yes, Swansea, Olympiakos, Monaco, even Utd, beat us at the emirates, but all of those games would have finished similarly if we took the several chances we created.
The difference was Alexis' brilliant finishing. The improvisation for the first, and then the power and accuracy for his 2nd.
I think LVG did get the midfield selection wrong, but the real problems were in the back four, who couldn't deal with Alexis and Walcott. They were dropping so deep that Carrick and Schwieny just had way too much ground to cover. Ozil was completely free in that gap.
The backline stepped up in the 2nd half and was much tighter. Yeah, the game was over at that point, but Ozil and Alexis had markedly less time on the ball. How is Alexis allowed to flick the ball into Ozil under no pressure in the 1st half? In the 2nd the defenders were much tighter, not letting them receive and turn.
And I am willing to think the 1st half was a bit of an anomaly because United have been very solid defensively so far this season. I thought you would pressure us high up and make things difficult in midfield, but it was all very poor for long enough.
So yeah, I think it will do well for United fans to understand their place in the hierarchy right now. You're a rung below City and Arsenal (I'd say Chelsea but you know). And that's not LvG's fault, it will just take some time to rebuild the team and get back to that level. If Falcao and Di Maria had worked out things might be a bit different.
I don't agree with all of LvG's decisions (like selling RvP, wtf?), but I think the signings you are making are very good. You are spending a lot of money but spending it well. what LvG is doing right now is building the foundation for a very competitive team.
Depay, Martial, Herrera, Schneiderlin, Darmian, Shaw, Jones, Smalling, De Gea (if he stays) - all young players with a lot of potential.
I know you really rated United 12/13 runaway title winners. But regardless of Moyes's demolition job, it was a team that needed to be refreshed, if not rebuilt. The cracks were already visible under SAF, patched up by RvP's goals. A lot of players were either in decline or were barreling towards it. Even Rooney now seems to be well past his prime.
So how do you go out and replace all of these players? It's not going to happen overnight. What LvG needs to do is keep you in the Champions League until 2-3 years from now when the team is ready for a proper go at the title. Maybe sooner, depending on the signings you can make.
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The top four candidates can all do this to each other, which is why Chelsea beating us wasn't so much of a surprise.
Nice to Stuff ManUre though, in any circumstances. Van Gaal can pump all the money he likes into midfield and forward lines. Until he gets rid of the remaining dregs of Ferguson he won't finish above Arsenal.
Serious question: Is Rooney done?
I have defended Rooney for some years now but I think he is close to being dropped & rightly so. He offered nothing in this game & that's been the case most of this season. He has lost whatever bit of pace he once had & is getting dispossessed too often due to a poor 1st touch Huge error starting Carrick & Schweinsteiger. Utd needed the extra pace, physicality & energy of Schneiderlin Utd lacked pace all over the ground & paid for it. Depay, who has pace seems to have found the step up to the premiership too difficult . I just don't see what he brings that Nani & even Zaha didn't I said in my 1st post that this wasn't that different to last seasons game with the difference being Arsenal finished their early chances this time Can't see anything different in the upcoming game v City. Game soured even more by Brenda's sacking. That rduces Utd' chances of getting Klopp
The problem is, Billabog, that Arsenal are just the better team at the moment. Regardless of what you and Sadler have been telling yourself all summer. Arsenal are just downright better at football, in pretty much every department. If you think you are going to go the Emirates and have an easy time, it's not going to happen. And yes, Swansea, Olympiakos, Monaco, even Utd, beat us at the emirates, but all of those games would have finished similarly if we took the several chances we created. The difference was Alexis' brilliant finishing. The improvisation for the first, and then the power and accuracy for his 2nd. I think LVG did get the midfield selection wrong, but the real problems were in the back four, who couldn't deal with Alexis and Walcott. They were dropping so deep that Carrick and Schwieny just had way too much ground to cover. Ozil was completely free in that gap. The backline stepped up in the 2nd half and was much tighter. Yeah, the game was over at that point, but Ozil and Alexis had markedly less time on the ball. How is Alexis allowed to flick the ball into Ozil under no pressure in the 1st half? In the 2nd the defenders were much tighter, not letting them receive and turn. And I am willing to think the 1st half was a bit of an anomaly because United have been very solid defensively so far this season. I thought you would pressure us high up and make things difficult in midfield, but it was all very poor for long enough. So yeah, I think it will do well for United fans to understand their place in the hierarchy right now. You're a rung below City and Arsenal (I'd say Chelsea but you know). And that's not LvG's fault, it will just take some time to rebuild the team and get back to that level. If Falcao and Di Maria had worked out things might be a bit different. I don't agree with all of LvG's decisions (like selling RvP, wtf?), but I think the signings you are making are very good. You are spending a lot of money but spending it well. what LvG is doing right now is building the foundation for a very competitive team. Depay, Martial, Herrera, Schneiderlin, Darmian, Shaw, Jones, Smalling, De Gea (if he stays) - all young players with a lot of potential. I know you really rated United 12/13 runaway title winners. But regardless of Moyes's demolition job, it was a team that needed to be refreshed, if not rebuilt. The cracks were already visible under SAF, patched up by RvP's goals. A lot of players were either in decline or were barreling towards it. Even Rooney now seems to be well past his prime. So how do you go out and replace all of these players? It's not going to happen overnight. What LvG needs to do is keep you in the Champions League until 2-3 years from now when the team is ready for a proper go at the title. Maybe sooner, depending on the signings you can make. Of course it's LVG' s fault. He has bought a complete new team & let players to that he shouldn't have let go . He has Utd playing a brand of football that is so slow & predictable that chances are so hard to come by. DiMaria didn't work out because he couldn't play LVG's brand of football. Delay has been very poor overall, whether that's down the Van Gaals style I don't know but I would take Welbeck over him based on what he has offered so far, I would certainly have kept Zaha as well as RVP The squad is quite thin for the money spent but the problem isn't the talent ( although I do feel Rooney is holding the team back a lot in this form) it's the tactics VanGaal employs. Despite all the money spent & the amount of talent there, Utd are reliant on a 19 yr old to produce moments of magic in order to score goals
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Yeah, it's hard to understand why van Persie and Welbeck were sold. Zaha, I don't know. Not sure he had the quality to make a difference right now. Yanuzaj, though, seems to have fallen out of favor pretty fast.
The new signings, they look like they will come good but they are not finished articles.
If I were a United fan I would be worried because so far even Liverpool and Southampton have created more chances per game than you. And if Chelsea can get back to their best then top 4 could become a real danger.
But we'll see. The season is still very young and I think young players like Depay can improve very quickly. If you manage to stay solid at the back then the team probably has enough goals to have a good league season. It will take time even for LvG to create a good team. Aim for top 3 this season and then with the right additions you can go for the title next season.
There's the January window, too. And I'm hoping Arsenal can also make a signing or two.
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Yeah, it's hard to understand why van Persie and Welbeck were sold. Zaha, I don't know. Not sure he had the quality to make a difference right now. Yanuzaj, though, seems to have fallen out of favor pretty fast.
The new signings, they look like they will come good but they are not finished articles.
If I were a United fan I would be worried because so far even Liverpool and Southampton have created more chances per game than you. And if Chelsea can get back to their best then top 4 could become a real danger.
But we'll see. The season is still very young and I think young players like Depay can improve very quickly. If you manage to stay solid at the back then the team probably has enough goals to have a good league season. It will take time even for LvG to create a good team. Aim for top 3 this season and then with the right additions you can go for the title next season.
There's the January window, too. And I'm hoping Arsenal can also make a signing or two. Zaha has the talent, he just needed game time & faith just like so many young players. Did you see the way he destroyed WBA last game? A team who had barely conceded a goal away from home.
Maybe Depay is trying too hard but with another winger like Zaha on the other flank Utd would so much better balanced & have the speed to trouble defences a lot more than they are doing. Januzaj got a load more opportunities than Zaha & he is on loan so can be brought back
I have been critical of the lack of opportunities created since last season. I argued this with Sadler who cited Carricks injury for the poor run of results toward the end of the season & I argued back then that creating & scoring was the problem, & Carrick really didn't add much to either of those areas
I am not sure if Rooneys poor form is down to the system, because RVP, Falcao & every other striker seems to struggle playing this way. Martial has bucked that trend so far, but I am not ready to go rating him as the new Henry or the best young player since Messi based on 5 or so games, thats the territory of fools. Lets wait until he has played at least a full season before giving those kind of accolades
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Yeah, it's hard to understand why van Persie and Welbeck were sold. Zaha, I don't know. Not sure he had the quality to make a difference right now. Yanuzaj, though, seems to have fallen out of favor pretty fast.
The new signings, they look like they will come good but they are not finished articles.
If I were a United fan I would be worried because so far even Liverpool and Southampton have created more chances per game than you. And if Chelsea can get back to their best then top 4 could become a real danger.
But we'll see. The season is still very young and I think young players like Depay can improve very quickly. If you manage to stay solid at the back then the team probably has enough goals to have a good league season. It will take time even for LvG to create a good team. Aim for top 3 this season and then with the right additions you can go for the title next season.
There's the January window, too. And I'm hoping Arsenal can also make a signing or two.
Zaha has the talent, he just needed game time & faith just like so many young players. Did you see the way he destroyed WBA last game? A team who had barely conceded a goal away from home. Maybe Depay is trying too hard but with another winger like Zaha on the other flank Utd would so much better balanced & have the speed to trouble defences a lot more than they are doing. Januzaj got a load more opportunities than Zaha & he is on loan so can be brought back I have been critical of the lack of opportunities created since last season. I argued this with Sadler who cited Carricks injury for the poor run of results toward the end of the season & I argued back then that creating & scoring was the problem, & Carrick really didn't add much to either of those areas I am not sure if Rooneys poor form is down to the system, because RVP, Falcao & every other striker seems to struggle playing this way. Martial has bucked that trend so far, but I am not ready to go rating him as the new Henry or the best young player since Messi based on 5 or so games, thats the territory of fools. Lets wait until he has played at least a full season before giving those kind of accolades Maybe when you can name the best young player since Messi, then your opinion can have some credibility. Fool.
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Yeah, it's hard to understand why van Persie and Welbeck were sold. Zaha, I don't know. Not sure he had the quality to make a difference right now. Yanuzaj, though, seems to have fallen out of favor pretty fast.
The new signings, they look like they will come good but they are not finished articles.
If I were a United fan I would be worried because so far even Liverpool and Southampton have created more chances per game than you. And if Chelsea can get back to their best then top 4 could become a real danger.
But we'll see. The season is still very young and I think young players like Depay can improve very quickly. If you manage to stay solid at the back then the team probably has enough goals to have a good league season. It will take time even for LvG to create a good team. Aim for top 3 this season and then with the right additions you can go for the title next season.
There's the January window, too. And I'm hoping Arsenal can also make a signing or two.
Zaha has the talent, he just needed game time & faith just like so many young players. Did you see the way he destroyed WBA last game? A team who had barely conceded a goal away from home. Maybe Depay is trying too hard but with another winger like Zaha on the other flank Utd would so much better balanced & have the speed to trouble defences a lot more than they are doing. Januzaj got a load more opportunities than Zaha & he is on loan so can be brought back I have been critical of the lack of opportunities created since last season. I argued this with Sadler who cited Carricks injury for the poor run of results toward the end of the season & I argued back then that creating & scoring was the problem, & Carrick really didn't add much to either of those areas I am not sure if Rooneys poor form is down to the system, because RVP, Falcao & every other striker seems to struggle playing this way. Martial has bucked that trend so far, but I am not ready to go rating him as the new Henry or the best young player since Messi based on 5 or so games, thats the territory of fools. Lets wait until he has played at least a full season before giving those kind of accolades Yeah Zaha would have helped, so would have Welbeck, but I can understand why those players were let go. They are not world beaters so as long as they are replaced it's not a big deal selling them. Unfortunately you haven't really replaced the pace and power those two would have brought.
I feel like Rooney has been in decline since 12/13. Fergie was ready to sell him. I think if Fergie had stuck around Rooney would be playing for Chelsea right now. But he's hardly at retirement age right now so hopefully he can bounce back.
Maybe there is an element of the players not being entirely happy with van Gaal's methods. There was that meeting they had in van Gaal's office to protest his restrictive training and tactics. I dont' know how much truth there is to that. But yeah if the players aren't happy you are going to see that in their performances.
But what I don't want to do is read too much into it. Just looking at the personnel you can see that United are not at the moment an elite team. Potentially Martial, Depay, etc are big players but not right now. And given your defensive struggles for the past two seasons I think LvG has probably decided to go with a cautious, defensively sound approach, which inhibits your attack but allows you to have one of the best defences in the league so far.
So going forward, maybe in January, I think you will be looking to sign a forward and a central defender. That should give your team better balance.
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Yeah, it's hard to understand why van Persie and Welbeck were sold. Zaha, I don't know. Not sure he had the quality to make a difference right now. Yanuzaj, though, seems to have fallen out of favor pretty fast.
The new signings, they look like they will come good but they are not finished articles.
If I were a United fan I would be worried because so far even Liverpool and Southampton have created more chances per game than you. And if Chelsea can get back to their best then top 4 could become a real danger.
But we'll see. The season is still very young and I think young players like Depay can improve very quickly. If you manage to stay solid at the back then the team probably has enough goals to have a good league season. It will take time even for LvG to create a good team. Aim for top 3 this season and then with the right additions you can go for the title next season.
There's the January window, too. And I'm hoping Arsenal can also make a signing or two. Zaha has the talent, he just needed game time & faith just like so many young players. Did you see the way he destroyed WBA last game? A team who had barely conceded a goal away from home.Maybe Depay is trying too hard but with another winger like Zaha on the other flank Utd would so much better balanced & have the speed to trouble defences a lot more than they are doing. Januzaj got a load more opportunities than Zaha & he is on loan so can be brought back I have been critical of the lack of opportunities created since last season. I argued this with Sadler who cited Carricks injury for the poor run of results toward the end of the season & I argued back then that creating & scoring was the problem, & Carrick really didn't add much to either of those areas I am not sure if Rooneys poor form is down to the system, because RVP, Falcao & every other striker seems to struggle playing this way. Martial has bucked that trend so far, but I am not ready to go rating him as the new Henry or the best young player since Messi based on 5 or so games, thats the territory of fools. Lets wait until he has played at least a full season before giving those kind of accolades I can understand making a case for someone like Hernandez or even Welbeck, but Zaha??? how exactly do you rate players, is it as long as you show "energy" and "buzz" you're good enough. Are you really judging Zaha because he apparently destroyed a team who will finish 12th at best. The Zaha that I know lacks composure, he's a poor crosser, makes too many bad decisions, and has little end product. Maybe he should have been loaned not sold YET to see if he can't improve but so far selling (albeit at a really cheap price) looks like the right decision he doesn't look like a player for a team with aspiration to win league titles. He's never gonna reach the level of a Ryan Giggs, Beckham, Overmas, Pires, Robben, Ljunberg, Hazard etc
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